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Last WWE Monday Night RAW on Spike TV was last night; TNA Impact debuts on Spike TV this Saturday

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Last WWE Monday Night RAW on Spike TV was last night; TNA Impact debuts on Spike TV this Saturday

RIP WWE MONDAY NIGHT RAW on TNN/SPIKE TV(2000-2005)

When we look back on the era what are the following?

Who was the breakout star on RAW during that period?

The most significant moment on RAW during the era?

Did they get the most out of their relationship?

Will moving to USA have a huge effect on UPN's Friday Night Smackdown

(Talent, titles, etc.)?

Will you watch TNA Impact when it debuts this Saturday at 11pm on Spike TV?

Will the lack of extra shows on USA outside of the Saturday Morning

WWE AM RAW have an impact on people to watch RAW?

Can Law & Order CI be a solid lead in for RAW as opposed to CSI?
 
Re: Last WWE Monday Night RAW on Spike TV was last night; TNA Impact debuts on Spike TV this Saturday

> The most significant moment on RAW during the era?

Vince McMahon's buyout of WCW.

> Will moving to USA have a huge effect on UPN's "Friday Night
> Smackdown!"?

Minimal.

> Will you watch "TNA Impact" when it debuts this Saturday at
> 11pm on Spike TV?

I will try to.

> Can "Law & Order: Criminal Intent" be a solid lead in for RAW as opposed to
> CSI?

Possibly. I don't watch either show. Won't matter to me.

On a side note, it was so ridiculous how Spike TV was trying to edit out the references to the USA Network. I also noticed how the Spike TV logo was taken off the side of the set. I'll assume that means that the same stage will be in use. BTW, what happens when the Westminster Dog Show rolls around? Preemption? Tape delay? What?
 
Re: Last WWE Monday Night RAW on Spike TV was last night; TNA Impact debuts on Spike TV this Saturday

> > The most significant moment on RAW during the era?
>
> Vince McMahon's buyout of WCW.
>
> > Will moving to USA have a huge effect on UPN's "Friday
> Night
> > Smackdown!"?
>
> Minimal.
>
> > Will you watch "TNA Impact" when it debuts this Saturday
> at
> > 11pm on Spike TV?
>
> I will try to.
>
> > Can "Law & Order: Criminal Intent" be a solid lead in for
> RAW as opposed to
> > CSI?
>
> Possibly. I don't watch either show. Won't matter to me.
>
> On a side note, it was so ridiculous how Spike TV was trying
> to edit out the references to the USA Network. I also
> noticed how the Spike TV logo was taken off the side of the
> set. I'll assume that means that the same stage will be in
> use. BTW, what happens when the Westminster Dog Show rolls
> around? Preemption? Tape delay? What?
>
For 2 weeks in 2006 Raw will be pre-empted.

During the week of February 13th, RAW will be shown the following Wednesday

February 15th due to the dog show.

During US OPEN Weeks, RAW will not be shown during the week of August 24th.

They will air on the 2nd week of coverage on September 8th opposite

Friday Night Smackdown on UPN.
 
Re: Last WWE Monday Night RAW on Spike TV was last night; TNA Impact debuts on Spike TV this Saturday

> > The most significant moment on RAW during the era?
>
> Vince McMahon's buyout of WCW.
>
> > Will moving to USA have a huge effect on UPN's "Friday
> Night
> > Smackdown!"?
>
> Minimal.
>
> > Will you watch "TNA Impact" when it debuts this Saturday
> at
> > 11pm on Spike TV?
>
> I will try to.
>
> > Can "Law & Order: Criminal Intent" be a solid lead in for
> RAW as opposed to
> > CSI?
>
> Possibly. I don't watch either show. Won't matter to me.
>
> On a side note, it was so ridiculous how Spike TV was trying
> to edit out the references to the USA Network. I also
> noticed how the Spike TV logo was taken off the side of the
> set. I'll assume that means that the same stage will be in
> use. BTW, what happens when the Westminster Dog Show rolls
> around? Preemption? Tape delay? What?
>

Vince really stuck it to Spike TV as after they censored him, he had his announcers say USA Network as often as they could. He actually took the high road by WWE standards. Just ask Ultimate Warrior what happens if he really wants to embarrass you. Those Spike censors were unsuccessful in censoring the references to USA Network. Spike even put on the "technical difficulties" screen when they showed fan's signs that said something about the move.

The week of the dog show, Raw will air on Wednesday.
 
Final "Raw" rating?

Notice how the show's closing copyright also mentioned USA Network? Gee, Viacom must really hate NBC/Universal! :)

Dave Meltzer's Wrestling Observer website is saying that the finale on Spike only got an average 3.2 cable rating. Sad!
 
Re: Last WWE Monday Night RAW on Spike TV was last night; TNA Impact debuts on Spike TV this Saturday

> Who was the breakout star on RAW during that period?

That is a tough call. As far as more recent, I could say John Cena and Batista. Randy Orton would fall into the catagory as well.


> The most significant moment on RAW during the era?

I agree with a post below, the purchase of WCW. While Vince ended up screwing the storyline completely up with the invasaion angle, The purchase of WCW was huge.


> Did they get the most out of their relationship?

Ultimately, I think that WWE got screwed by Spike TV. Viacom was supposed to do so much to help pubicize WWE on CBS with having wrestlers on their late night talk shows and other things, but you hardly seen any of that. Most of the time, if the wrestlers appeared anywhere, it was on NBC's Late Night with Conan O'Brain, or ABC's Jimmy Kimmel Live.


> Will moving to USA have a huge effect on UPN's Friday Night
> Smackdown
> (Talent, titles, etc.)?

As far as talent and titles are concerned, UPN has already gotten upset with the whole Mumhammad Hassan character, and he was pulled from the show (and was offically released from the WWE last week). I think the relationship between the WWE and Viacom's UPN is going to be rocky now thanks to last night, but I could be wrong. WWE is supposed to be shopping Smackdown around to other networks now, as UPN has already made it known that they will not continue with Smackdown after this season.


> Will you watch TNA Impact when it debuts this Saturday at
> 11pm on Spike TV?

On Saturday Nights, I am not thinking about watching any wrestling, and most of the country isn't either, and you can tell that by the ratings for WWE Velocity. TNA has a good product, but their Saturday Night show won't do much for them. Spike TV was actually smart and scheduled the replay of TNA Impact on Monday Night/Tuesday Mornings ar Midnight. When Monday Night Football ends (on the east coast), they can flip to Spike TV and get at least half of Impact.


> Will the lack of extra shows on USA outside of the Saturday
> Morning
>
> WWE AM RAW have an impact on people to watch RAW?

Not really. Heat and Velocity will still be seen, but only on the WWE's website. Heat will be available sometime Friday Afternoon, and Velocity will be available Saturday Mornings at 10 am. The only problem is that now the WWE doesn't have a live lead-in show for Pay-Per-Views.


> Can Law & Order CI be a solid lead in for RAW as opposed to
> CSI?

Honestly, I don't think it will make much of a difference.<P ID="signature">______________

Moderator of Charlotte Board</P>
 
Re: Last WWE Monday Night RAW on Spike TV was last night; TNA Impact debuts on Spike TV this Saturday

> Not really. Heat and Velocity will still be seen, but only
> on the WWE's website. Heat will be available sometime
> Friday Afternoon, and Velocity will be available Saturday
> Mornings at 10 am. The only problem is that now the WWE
> doesn't have a live lead-in show for Pay-Per-Views.

Why not syndicate Heat and Velocity? It would be a lot better than the god-awful recap shows they have in syndication now.
 
Future of "Raw" and "Smackdown!" (Was: Re: Last WWE Monday Night RAW on Spike TV was last night; TNA Impact debuts on Spike TV this Saturday)

I wouldn't be surprised if NBC/Universal makes an attempt to purchase WWE from the McMahon family.

This way, the company would not have to face being outbid for the WWE in the future.

And if as part of the sale, WWE CEO Vince McMahon has to sever all ties to the company, I could see how this can be handled: An "Ownership Match" at a WWE pay-per-view (likely the big one, Wrestlemania) between NBC/Universal chairman Boib Wright and McMahon in which the winner will own WWE. Naturally, Wright wins (because his company had actually purchased WWE from McMahon), and brings Donald Trump out to ringside after the match to tell McMahon: "You're Fired!". Then "security" takes him away.

NBC could actually use "Smackdown!" in the Fall of 2006, back in the show's original Thursday-night slot. Their once-invincible Thursday-night lineup is in tatters ("Joey"'s ratings are falling and the show will likely be cancelled by next Fall, if not sooner; "Will and Grace" is in it's final season; "The Apprentice: Donald Trump"'s premiere had disapointing ratings, and "ER" is starting to show it's age).

With "Smackdown!" expected to leave UPN by September of 2006, could it move to NBC, br broadcast on Thursday nights from 8 to 10 P.M. ET/PT (perhaps with "The Apprentice: Donald Trump" following at 10 P.M. ET/PT if "ER" ends it's run next May). It will do better in that slot on NBC than it has ever done on UPN, and could keep NBC competitive on Thursdays, especially as that is now the most-in-demand night for TV advertising (due mainly to movie studios buying commercial spots to plug movies opening the next day).
 
Re: Future of "Raw" and "Smackdown!" (Was: Re: Last WWE Monday Night RAW on Spike TV was last night; TNA Impact debuts on Spike TV this Saturday)

> I wouldn't be surprised if NBC/Universal makes an attempt to
> purchase WWE from the McMahon family.
>
> This way, the company would not have to face being outbid
> for the WWE in the future.
>
> And if as part of the sale, WWE CEO Vince McMahon has to
> sever all ties to the company, I could see how this can be
> handled: An "Ownership Match" at a WWE pay-per-view (likely
> the big one, Wrestlemania) between NBC/Universal chairman
> Boib Wright and McMahon in which the winner will own WWE.
> Naturally, Wright wins (because his company had actually
> purchased WWE from McMahon), and brings Donald Trump out to
> ringside after the match to tell McMahon: "You're Fired!".
> Then "security" takes him away.
>
> NBC could actually use "Smackdown!" in the Fall of 2006,
> back in the show's original Thursday-night slot. Their
> once-invincible Thursday-night lineup is in tatters
> ("Joey"'s ratings are falling and the show will likely be
> cancelled by next Fall, if not sooner; "Will and Grace" is
> in it's final season; "The Apprentice: Donald Trump"'s
> premiere had disapointing ratings, and "ER" is starting to
> show it's age).
>
> With "Smackdown!" expected to leave UPN by September of
> 2006, could it move to NBC, br broadcast on Thursday nights
> from 8 to 10 P.M. ET/PT (perhaps with "The Apprentice:
> Donald Trump" following at 10 P.M. ET/PT if "ER" ends it's
> run next May). It will do better in that slot on NBC than it
> has ever done on UPN, and could keep NBC competitive on
> Thursdays, especially as that is now the most-in-demand
> night for TV advertising (due mainly to movie studios buying
> commercial spots to plug movies opening the next day).
>


With all due respect to what you usually bring to the boards, this is easily the stupidest set of predictions/assumptions you've ever made. <P ID="signature">______________
"Not fixing [New Orleans'] levees before Katrina struck will now cost us untold billions. Not resolving the nation's issues of race and class has and will cost us so much more."
--Wynton Marsalis
</P>
 
Re: Last WWE Monday Night RAW on Spike TV was last night; TNA Impact debuts on Spike TV this Saturday

> Why not syndicate Heat and Velocity? It would be a lot
> better than the god-awful recap shows they have in
> syndication now.
>


The WWE was SUPPOSED to have pulled all syndicated programming, but I still see After Burn here in this neck of the woods. I am assuming that they have either decided to keep it to sell PPVs and Live Shows, or they haven't decided to pull it yet because of the lack of WWE programing on USA.

If you ask me, the ultimate reason WWE isn't going to syndicate Heat of Velocity is because of money. WWE pays local stations to air their programming (since it is basically nothing more than an hour long infomerical for PPV and Live Shows). It is actually cheaper to host the programming on the internet than it would be to pay for syndication.

In the case of TNA before their move to Spike TV, they aired their programming on FSN in a crappy Friday Afternoon 3 pm slot. They paid $30,000 a week to air the program on FSN. Since they left FSN, they aired their program on their website. According to Joey Styles of 1wrestling.com, the cost is roughly $5,000 a week to run the program on the website and get the same amount of viewers.<P ID="signature">______________

Moderator of Charlotte Board</P>
 
Re: Last WWE Monday Night RAW on Spike TV was last night; TNA Impact debuts on Spike TV this Saturday

> On a side note, it was so ridiculous how Spike TV was trying
> to edit out the references to the USA Network. I also
> noticed how the Spike TV logo was taken off the side of the
> set. I'll assume that means that the same stage will be in
> use. BTW, what happens when the Westminster Dog Show rolls
> around? Preemption? Tape delay? What?

I watched some of Raw at the end. No I am not a big WWE fan just wanted to watch to see how the last show on Spike TV would be. So right when I put it on I see the announcers saying USA Network which was said a ton of times. Well I think it was wrong to say when your on Spike TV which is owned by Viacom. Spike TV could of not even aired the last Raw show if they wanted to. If they were going to say USA Network so many times like they did. WWE is just using Spike TV to get their show out not to say another network. So I just think it was wrong to do.
 
Re: Future of "Raw" and "Smackdown!" (Was: Re: Last WWE Monday Night RAW on Spike TV was last night; TNA Impact debuts on Spike TV this Saturday)

Vince Mcmahon would never sell WWE. It is his life. It is said that he has no hobbies as he is always thinking about the business, creating new storylines or characters. He is known to call creative team members in the middle of the night if he has an idea he wants to share with them.

> > I wouldn't be surprised if NBC/Universal makes an attempt
> to
> > purchase WWE from the McMahon family.
> >
> > This way, the company would not have to face being outbid
> > for the WWE in the future.
> >
> > And if as part of the sale, WWE CEO Vince McMahon has to
> > sever all ties to the company, I could see how this can be
>
> > handled: An "Ownership Match" at a WWE pay-per-view
> (likely
> > the big one, Wrestlemania) between NBC/Universal chairman
> > Boib Wright and McMahon in which the winner will own WWE.
> > Naturally, Wright wins (because his company had actually
> > purchased WWE from McMahon), and brings Donald Trump out
> to
> > ringside after the match to tell McMahon: "You're Fired!".
>
> > Then "security" takes him away.
> >
> > NBC could actually use "Smackdown!" in the Fall of 2006,
> > back in the show's original Thursday-night slot. Their
> > once-invincible Thursday-night lineup is in tatters
> > ("Joey"'s ratings are falling and the show will likely be
> > cancelled by next Fall, if not sooner; "Will and Grace" is
>
> > in it's final season; "The Apprentice: Donald Trump"'s
> > premiere had disapointing ratings, and "ER" is starting to
>
> > show it's age).
> >
> > With "Smackdown!" expected to leave UPN by September of
> > 2006, could it move to NBC, br broadcast on Thursday
> nights
> > from 8 to 10 P.M. ET/PT (perhaps with "The Apprentice:
> > Donald Trump" following at 10 P.M. ET/PT if "ER" ends it's
>
> > run next May). It will do better in that slot on NBC than
> it
> > has ever done on UPN, and could keep NBC competitive on
> > Thursdays, especially as that is now the most-in-demand
> > night for TV advertising (due mainly to movie studios
> buying
> > commercial spots to plug movies opening the next day).
> >
>
>
> With all due respect to what you usually bring to the
> boards, this is easily the stupidest set of
> predictions/assumptions you've ever made.
>
 
Re: Future of "Raw" and "Smackdown!" (Was: Re: Last WWE Monday Night RAW on Spike TV was last night; TNA Impact debuts on Spike TV this Saturday)

> NBC could actually use "Smackdown!" in the Fall of 2006,
> back in the show's original Thursday-night slot. Their
> once-invincible Thursday-night lineup is in tatters
> ("Joey"'s ratings are falling and the show will likely be
> cancelled by next Fall, if not sooner; "Will and Grace" is
> in it's final season; "The Apprentice: Donald Trump"'s
> premiere had disapointing ratings, and "ER" is starting to
> show it's age).
>
> With "Smackdown!" expected to leave UPN by September of
> 2006, could it move to NBC, br broadcast on Thursday nights
> from 8 to 10 P.M. ET/PT (perhaps with "The Apprentice:
> Donald Trump" following at 10 P.M. ET/PT if "ER" ends it's
> run next May). It will do better in that slot on NBC than it
> has ever done on UPN, and could keep NBC competitive on
> Thursdays, especially as that is now the most-in-demand
> night for TV advertising (due mainly to movie studios buying
> commercial spots to plug movies opening the next day).
>

Wrestling on network TV? You're kidding, right? I've got two words for that: MISERABLE FAILURE.
 
Re: Last WWE Monday Night RAW on Spike TV was last night; TNA Impact debuts on Spike TV this Saturday

> I watched some of Raw at the end. No I am not a big WWE fan
> just wanted to watch to see how the last show on Spike TV
> would be. So right when I put it on I see the announcers
> saying USA Network which was said a ton of times. Well I
> think it was wrong to say when your on Spike TV which is
> owned by Viacom. Spike TV could of not even aired the last
> Raw show if they wanted to. If they were going to say USA
> Network so many times like they did. WWE is just using Spike
> TV to get their show out not to say another network. So I
> just think it was wrong to do.
>


If you think the WWE was wrong for trying to plug their move to USA, then I think it is wrong for Spike TV to plug both the UFC (which is taking Raw's place on Monday Nights) and TNA Impact during the show. I think if Spike TV wouldn't have started pulling this a month in advance, then Vince McMahon would not have said a thing about their move to USA Newtork. Furthermore, Vince McMahon (at the beginning of the show) was in the ring thanking Spike TV for five years. No sooner than he thanked them, then he tried to plug the move to USA Network, in which Spike TV censored. By the end of it, Spike TV just stopped trying to censor them.

Ironically, when Raw left USA to begin with, the WWE didn't even mention their move to The New TNN (The National Network: "We Got Pop"... remember those days... lol), but they had Jim Ross thank them for the years.<P ID="signature">______________

Moderator of Charlotte Board</P>
 
Re: Future of "Raw" and "Smackdown!" (Was: Re: Last WWE Monday Night RAW on Spike TV was last night; TNA Impact debuts on Spike TV this Saturday)

> Wrestling on network TV? You're kidding, right? I've got two
> words for that: MISERABLE FAILURE.


The last I read was a few "Saturday Night's Main Event" type shows that would pre-empt "Saturday Night Live." A regular weekly slot on one of the "Big 3" would never fly, despite NBC/Universal's investment in this deal, I would think.
 
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