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Less Diversity on the way, thanks to the RIAA's influence thru Sound Exchange

TheRover

TheRover

Thanks RIAA ! ! ! :p :p :p :p

Webcasters and others who transmit music digitally say a recent ruling that raises the royalty rates for online music could put them out of business. The claim comes in the wake of higher royalty rates for Internet radio sites and other groups that stream music online that were recently announced by the Copyright Royalty Board.

The new rates set by the board, a three-judge panel appointed by the Librarian of Congress, are retroactive to last year.


One group that pushed for the higher rates is Sound Exchange, the non-profit entity created by the Recording Industry Association of America to collect royalties for music played via the Internet, satellite radio and other digital outlets.

John Simson, the president of Sound Exchange, says the market should determine who can afford to stay online.

Sound Exchange distributes 50 percent of the royalties it collects to record labels.

Greg Scholl is president and chief executive of The Orchard, a Web-based company that represents artists and labels providing digital music to online retailers. The Orchard collects revenues and royalties for those companies and musicians.

In the long run, Scholl says, the new online royalty rates will hurt his clients.

Aside from the short-term gain of more money, Scholl says, "higher rates means less diversity of programming."

Webcasters have until April 2 to file motions for a rehearing with the Copyright Royalty Board.

If the board decides to stand by the current rates, Internet radio and other digital music providers can lobby Congress; some may take their case to the courts. The new rates are set to take effect on May 15.
 
And then to further muddy the waters you've got recording artists themselves coming out in favor of the new rate hikes.

http://www.radioink.com/HeadlineEntry.asp?hid=137351&pt=todaysnews

This yoyo's statement really betrays the ignorance so many of these people have about web radio:

"Jay Jay French of Twisted Sister added, "With the shrinking royalties from the usual sources, the ever expanding digital universe is apparently becoming the future and, before our very eyes, it is here now."

That may be true of music downloads but web radio has yet to make even a tiny fraction of what terrestrial radio takes in. Most internet stations break even or run at a loss. In the future, as web radio grows and is perceived as a viable advertising medium, perhaps it will do well but if these rates are allowed to stand this "ever expanding digital universe" will shrink with great suddeness.

And if artists support the RIAA on this then they should expect to get zip from internet radio because it will no longer be there to generate royalties for them.

db
 
SOUNDS AND EXCHANGE AND THE RIAA SUCK!!!!!!!!!

I DONT WANNA LOSE RADIO STREAMING BECAUSE OF SOME IDIOTS (METALLICA BASICALLY STARTED THIS)
 
Re: Less Diversity on the way, thanks to the RIAA's influence thru Sound Exchang

dbdigital said:
And then to further muddy the waters you've got recording artists themselves coming out in favor of the new rate hikes.

http://www.radioink.com/HeadlineEntry.asp?hid=137351&pt=todaysnews

This yoyo's statement really betrays the ignorance so many of these people have about web radio:

"Jay Jay French of Twisted Sister added, "With the shrinking royalties from the usual sources, the ever expanding digital universe is apparently becoming the future and, before our very eyes, it is here now."

That may be true of music downloads but web radio has yet to make even a tiny fraction of what terrestrial radio takes in. Most internet stations break even or run at a loss. In the future, as web radio grows and is perceived as a viable advertising medium, perhaps it will do well but if these rates are allowed to stand this "ever expanding digital universe" will shrink with great suddeness.

And if artists support the RIAA on this then they should expect to get zip from internet radio because it will no longer be there to generate royalties for them.

db
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Sad that of all the recording artists out there, the best they could come up with so far are those three. The SoundExchange PR engine is churning at full power!

Big Star and Golden Smog are cult bands. Big Star never really made a splash, except with critics and other musicians (see The Replacements' "Alex Chilton," a song named for Big Star's singer) back in the 70s. They get virtually no terrestrial airplay. Golden Smog is more of a supergroup of Minneapolis bar bands and Jeff Tweedy of Wilco. Jody Stephens joined the band not to long ago, but they're an on-off affair. They play bars for kicks and release the odd album once in a while.

Michelle Shocked??? You have GOT to be kidding me! I remember her from my college radio days back in the 80s, which is probably the last time she had anything resembling a hit. She's a self-described Socialist. I'm very surprised that she's on this list, especially considering that I can't think of any terrestrial radio station that still plays her music. Hell, if web radio is playing her stuff, she should thank her lucky stars for the exposure. She has virtually faded into obscurity in the past decade or so. I doubt many people even remember her, except for people who listen to 80s-oriented alternative web stations. I don't even know how many of those still play her.

And Jay Jay French of Twisted Sister??? The only real airplay they probably get (outside of lead singer Dee Snider's hair metal show) is on 80s and metal-formatted web stations. Here's what the guy in charge of GotRadio, a heavily trafficked stream service, said in response to all of this, right after he pulled Twisted Sister off his streams:

We have an extremely popular 80’s Rock channel at GotRadio.com.

Newsflash Mr. French – GotRadio played 3 of your songs this month, totaling over 7,000 plays with an average listener vote of 4.5 out of a possible 5.00 (excellent rating).

Newsflash Mr. French – GotRadio paid their royalties IN FULL last year, but the Sound Exchange wants more blood.

Newsflash Mr. French – I doubt if you’ll EVER see a cent from the royalties that we paid Sound Exchange and it will end up straight in the pockets of the large labels.

Newsflash Mr. French – say goodbye to your airplay at GotRadio! Further I’m sure Twisted Sister is getting only limited if ANY radio airplay in terrestrial radio land (hence his "shrinking royalties from the usual sources.”), so this is just another classic case of biting the hand that feeds you.

http://carnyfeet.blogspot.com/2007/03/tip-never-buy-music-from-these-people.html

All in all, if these people are trying to squeeze net radio for ridiculous royalties that they will likely never see, then they obviously don't give a shit about the medium. Webcasters would be well-served to no longer play these backstabbing clowns.

Also, if SoundExchange wants to pummel the industry and the public with their nonsense propaganda, I suggest they find some bigger names to do it. These three won't cut it.

And here's something I posted on my blog, before this little press release was unleashed:

http://ltradio.blogspot.com/2007/03/attack-of-music-mafia.html
 
Michelle Shocked still gets airplay of a select few of her "hits" on AAA radio. BUT I am very surprised that she is vocal like that! Internet radio is certainly her friend, she is biting the hand that feeds her. Ridiculous. LA fans of the old AAA formatted KSCA FM101.9 will remember Michelle's song "Come a Long Way" as being the last regular song they played before they became Spanish language.
She might be a socialist but so was John Lennon haha
Nah I don't care about politics, do artists put out good songs? I like some of Ms Shocked's songs.

http://www.artistdirect.com/nad/music/artist/bio/0,,492633,00.html

PS I remember hearing a few Golden Smog songs.... One the singers from The Jayhawks was part of GS also
 
Re: Less Diversity on the way, thanks to the RIAA's influence thru Sound Exchang

FightingIrish said:
dbdigital said:
And here's something I posted on my blog, before this little press release was unleashed:

http://ltradio.blogspot.com/2007/03/attack-of-music-mafia.html
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That's a great article. Well argued and researched. I especially liked the "counter" quotes from the other artists. Webcasters, by and large, may not have a lot of power but they certainly have it over their playlists and can easily delete and shut out artists who don't support them.

It was announced today that the U.S. ranked 7th in global information technology. The reason for the lower ranking was because government meddling and corporate greed was stifling innovation and growth.

This issue involving the CRB royalty rates hike is a prime example of that.

db
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I think the late Nipsey Russell summed it all up:

The opposite of pro is con
That fact is clearly seen
If progress means move forward
Then what does Congress mean?

Only in America!
 
Re: Less Diversity on the way, thanks to the RIAA's influence thru Sound Exchang

dbdigital said:
And then to further muddy the waters you've got recording artists themselves coming out in favor of the new rate hikes.

http://www.radioink.com/HeadlineEntry.asp?hid=137351&pt=todaysnews

This yoyo's statement really betrays the ignorance so many of these people have about web radio:

"Jay Jay French of Twisted Sister added, "With the shrinking royalties from the usual sources, the ever expanding digital universe is apparently becoming the future and, before our very eyes, it is here now."

That may be true of music downloads but web radio has yet to make even a tiny fraction of what terrestrial radio takes in. Most internet stations break even or run at a loss. In the future, as web radio grows and is perceived as a viable advertising medium, perhaps it will do well but if these rates are allowed to stand this "ever expanding digital universe" will shrink with great suddeness.

And if artists support the RIAA on this then they should expect to get zip from internet radio because it will no longer be there to generate royalties for them.

db
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Well, they can trot out some Michelle Shocked, Jay Jay French and some obscure drummer, but we've got David Byrne of the Talking Heads on our side. And guess what? He's also a webcaster!

http://www.kurthanson.com/archive/news/040607/index.shtml
http://journal.davidbyrne.com/2007/04/4107_your_gover.html
 
Re: Less Diversity on the way, thanks to the RIAA's influence thru Sound Exchang

FightingIrish said:
dbdigital said:
And then to further muddy the waters you've got recording artists themselves coming out in favor of the new rate hikes.

http://www.radioink.com/HeadlineEntry.asp?hid=137351&pt=todaysnews

This yoyo's statement really betrays the ignorance so many of these people have about web radio:

"Jay Jay French of Twisted Sister added, "With the shrinking royalties from the usual sources, the ever expanding digital universe is apparently becoming the future and, before our very eyes, it is here now."

That may be true of music downloads but web radio has yet to make even a tiny fraction of what terrestrial radio takes in. Most internet stations break even or run at a loss. In the future, as web radio grows and is perceived as a viable advertising medium, perhaps it will do well but if these rates are allowed to stand this "ever expanding digital universe" will shrink with great suddeness.

And if artists support the RIAA on this then they should expect to get zip from internet radio because it will no longer be there to generate royalties for them.

db
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Well, they can trot out some Michelle Shocked, Jay Jay French and some obscure drummer, but we've got David Byrne of the Talking Heads on our side. And guess what? He's also a webcaster!

http://www.kurthanson.com/archive/news/040607/index.shtml
http://journal.davidbyrne.com/2007/04/4107_your_gover.html
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That's right. In fact, without webcasting or any web presence, David Byrne would be having a very hard time getting the word out on world music and the artists he produces. Can you imagine any terrestrial broadcaster having the b**ls to program world music aside from NPR or a non-com?

This is why terrestrial broadcasting is becoming more and more irrelavent and webcasting more crucial. And the idea of having a group of men who know little or nothing about webcasting deciding its fate is beyond insane.

db
 
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dbdigital said:
This is why terrestrial broadcasting is becoming more and more irrelavent and webcasting more crucial. And the idea of having a group of men who know little or nothing about webcasting deciding its fate is beyond insane.

db
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The corporate mentality is essentially "souless". They would rather have the musical landscape be full of "McDonalds" and "Wendys", with no "Fudruckers" to be found.

Complete and utter morons, when it comes to great music..... Cultural piranhas they are,
these RIAA "gatekeepers"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
The RIAA think they're gonna be the pirate police - all they're going to do it make more angry people by limited choices with outrageous royalties. Unfortunately, many people view music as an "intangible" product, especially now in the day of the digital download. The value of a digital file is considered much less than a CD or even vinyl record. Taking away people's choices will only perpetuate the willingness for some to share the digital wealth due to now having more limited choices.

Even though I buy CDs for my station (yes kids, I like the little plastic discs) I listen to other stations (mostly jazz) and I buy music based on what I hear. Without the wide diverse selection offered by the "mom and pop" netcaster there will be less interest (at least for me) to venture into new music and purchase items to add to my large music collection. At that rate I will probably stop buying music from stores (and I never really considered downloads of high enough quality for anything I would consider worthy of a "keeper"). So what happens if others feel the same as me? Artists lose due to lost sales and the RIAA/SoundExchange will probably trump us the excuse and say it's due to an increase in piracy when in all actuality it's due to too many consumers feeling enough is enough.

I'm waiting for the rates to finally shake themselves out and if need be I'll pull the plug. I'm tired of the RIAA's greed.
 
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This isn't law yet. Congress needs to make it law. Call or write (DON'T E-MAIL) your congress reps (all e-mails get thrown in the bit bucket) if you really care about internet radio.

I have friends who do internet radio, some are even famous.

In the meantime, the URL to do this is @ http://www.club977.com ) Also, don't buy any more CD's people. Spread the word. Let's make CD sales go downhill really really quick

-Rob
 
i am really upset about this, internet radio is execellent to listen to. i hear music i never heard of being played on traditional radio (alot more diversity in classic rock, oldies and classic country) .
 
Even CHR Internet radio is better than traditional. I'm a big fan of .977, The Hitz Channel especially, and I've heard more backtracks there that I love today... ones that I never heard on traditional radio.
 
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