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Limbaugh/Premier Radio smelling of fear?

Re: And since we are talking about ratings...

> Well, are you familiar at all with WWRC? Hardly anyone can
> pick the station up! The signal has horrible coverage!
>
> Do us all a favor. Stop trying to learn about radio by
> reading right-wing blogs.





Well, if AAR was as great as you say, shouldn't they be on a better stick?!

And, for your information, I have learned the radio business through experience. I started my career as a board-op, and worked my way up from there. I have been a very successful Owner, GM, and PD. The stations I have owned have all been sold at a profit, because I understand the business. Now, I have a very successful brokerage and consulting firm, which, again, is successful because I understand the business. Frankly, I couldn't have achieved what I have if I "learn about radio by reading right-wing blogs".

I'm incredibly sorry that the format you want to hear on radio is not successful. However, this gives you absolutely no grounds to attack me personally.
 
You guys are missing the point. The fact is...

Rush is a talented, established talk show host who is able to ENTERTAIN across party lines. There are times when I don't always agree with what he says, but I am still entertained by him.

However, Al Franken has forgotten how to do comedy. He's (and the rest of AIR AMERICA) are too caught up in moving their agenda forward. They forgot that people would rather be entertained than to be spouted at. In other word, they suck.

OBVIOUSLY, there's a buch of weekend board ops on this board who are having fun trying to defend their liberal ways. It's obvious that you wouldn't know good radio if it smacked you in the face.

It's easier to get your point across if you're entertaining the audience. AIR AMERICA is full of a bunch of AIRHEADS who are not only on a bunch of crappy stations... but WILL STAY THERE.

Ripping off charities aside.

"The Broker" has is down boys. Take heed!!!!!!!

RushTHIS!











> Premiere Radio just put out another press release comparing
> Limbaugh's numbers to Franken's, among others.
>
> This press release, relying as it does on 12+ individual
> market numbers and 25-54 aggregate numbers (carefully
> omitting any mention of 25-54 individual market numbers), is
> clearly counter propaganda to the Air America press release
> about newcomer Franken beating long-established Limbaugh
> 25-54 in two very specific markets, Portland OR, and San
> Francisco CA.
>
> Of course, the 10-market and 25-market aggregations cited in
> the Premiere press release include markets where Franken
> doesn't even air, so it's a slightly dishonest
> apples-to-oranges comparison.
>
> Considering how young the Air America product is, and how
> underpowered its stations are in most markets, the fact that
> Limbaugh feels threatened enough to drive Premiere Radio to
> play this sort of statistical PR game against Franken is a
> tribute to Air America's success so far -- or just evidence
> of Limbaugh's dawning recognition of his inevitable slide
> from the top of the heap.
>
 
Re: And since we are talking about ratings...

Excuse me sir, but you are an idiot.

It's obvious that you learned radio from Al Franken and Jenneane Garafolo... a couple of washed up comedians who are looking for purpose in their life as their half-assed comedy careers dry up.

Perhaps if you would "get with the real world", you might see that it's all about who gets the listeners. AIR AMERICA is full of no-talents who do not entertain. Agenda aside- if you don't entertain, you don't get lsietenrs. Rush does this everyday. Al Franken makes me want to hurl- he is only concerned with HIS agenda- not that of his audience.

Make a note of this boys. You'll see a year from now- after AIR AMERICA is off the air and it's management is locked up in prison for "shady" money deals- that, as usual...

I AM RIGHT.

Get a grip and go back to dropping in the spots during that Rick Dees show you're running.

Today is the day you learned the truth.



> > Since you have cited AAR's gains in Portland and San
> > Francisco, let's talk about another major market where the
>
> > network is a loser. Washington's WWRC(AM) saw it's ratings
>
> > drop from bad to nil during the last book, with no
> > measurable audience.
> >
> >
> >
> > This is even cited in a recent story from the Washington
> > Post...
> >
> http://www.washingtonpos>
> t.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/19/AR2005101902345.html
>
> >
> >
> > Check the last paragraph of the story.
> >
>
>
> Well, are you familiar at all with WWRC? Hardly anyone can
> pick the station up! The signal has horrible coverage!
>
> Do us all a favor. Stop trying to learn about radio by
> reading right-wing blogs.
>
 
Re: And since we are talking about ratings...

> > Since you have cited AAR's gains in Portland and San
> > Francisco, let's talk about another major market where the
>
> > network is a loser. Washington's WWRC(AM) saw it's ratings
>
> > drop from bad to nil during the last book, with no
> > measurable audience.
> >
> >
> >
> > This is even cited in a recent story from the Washington
> > Post...
> >
> http://www.washingtonpos>
> t.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/19/AR2005101902345.html
>
> >
> >
> > Check the last paragraph of the story.
> >
>
>
> Well, are you familiar at all with WWRC? Hardly anyone can
> pick the station up! The signal has horrible coverage!
>
> Do us all a favor. Stop trying to learn about radio by
> reading right-wing blogs.
>


YAWN, the same old tired attacks stike again....... Obviously ANYONE that disagrees with you is a right wing idiot.

WWRC is only one of the stations that carry AAR. And if AAR was so great, why did they have ratings BEFORE AAR, but dont know??? Obviously SOMEONE was listening before AAR. Obviously someone can get the signal.
 
Re: And since we are talking about ratings...

> > Well, are you familiar at all with WWRC? Hardly anyone
> can
> > pick the station up! The signal has horrible coverage!
> >
> > Do us all a favor. Stop trying to learn about radio by
> > reading right-wing blogs.
>
>
>
>
>
> Well, if AAR was as great as you say, shouldn't they be on a
> better stick?!
>
> And, for your information, I have learned the radio business
> through experience. I started my career as a board-op, and
> worked my way up from there. I have been a very successful
> Owner, GM, and PD. The stations I have owned have all been
> sold at a profit, because I understand the business. Now, I
> have a very successful brokerage and consulting firm, which,
> again, is successful because I understand the business.
> Frankly, I couldn't have achieved what I have if I "learn
> about radio by reading right-wing blogs".
>
> I'm incredibly sorry that the format you want to hear on
> radio is not successful. However, this gives you absolutely
> no grounds to attack me personally.
>

The point I'm getting at is that it is pretty ridiculous to use a station that can't even cover a sizeable portion of their market as a legitimate comparison.

I'm sorry that the conservatives here get a tad too touchy when I refute their talking points. Jeez!<P ID="signature">______________
The Liberal Talk Radio Update</P>
 
Re: And since we are talking about ratings...

> > > Since you have cited AAR's gains in Portland and San
> > > Francisco, let's talk about another major market where
> the
> >
> > > network is a loser. Washington's WWRC(AM) saw it's
> ratings
> >
> > > drop from bad to nil during the last book, with no
> > > measurable audience.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > This is even cited in a recent story from the Washington
>
> > > Post...
> > >
> > http://www.washingtonpos>
> >
> t.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/19/AR2005101902345.html
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Check the last paragraph of the story.
> > >
> >
> >
> > Well, are you familiar at all with WWRC? Hardly anyone
> can
> > pick the station up! The signal has horrible coverage!
> >
> > Do us all a favor. Stop trying to learn about radio by
> > reading right-wing blogs.
> >
>
>
> YAWN, the same old tired attacks stike again.......
> Obviously ANYONE that disagrees with you is a right wing
> idiot.
>
> WWRC is only one of the stations that carry AAR. And if AAR
> was so great, why did they have ratings BEFORE AAR, but dont
> know??? Obviously SOMEONE was listening before AAR.
> Obviously someone can get the signal.
>


Why is it that anytime I respond to a post, you get all hot about it? And I never said anything about Mr. Broker being a right-wing idiot. Granted, the thing about WWRC was in the post, but it was plastered all over RW blogs the past week. How many times did we read about it on this board?

And WWRC's ratings prior to lib talk (as a FOX Sports affiliate) were pretty close to non-existent as well.<P ID="signature">______________
The Liberal Talk Radio Update</P>
 
Re: And since we are talking about ratings...

> > > > Since you have cited AAR's gains in Portland and San
> > > > Francisco, let's talk about another major market where
>
> > the
> > >
> > > > network is a loser. Washington's WWRC(AM) saw it's
> > ratings
> > >
> > > > drop from bad to nil during the last book, with no
> > > > measurable audience.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > This is even cited in a recent story from the
> Washington
> >
> > > > Post...
> > > >
> > > http://www.washingtonpos>
> > >
> >
> t.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/19/AR2005101902345.html
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Check the last paragraph of the story.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Well, are you familiar at all with WWRC? Hardly anyone
> > can
> > > pick the station up! The signal has horrible coverage!
> > >
> > > Do us all a favor. Stop trying to learn about radio by
> > > reading right-wing blogs.
> > >
> >
> >
> > YAWN, the same old tired attacks stike again.......
> > Obviously ANYONE that disagrees with you is a right wing
> > idiot.
> >
> > WWRC is only one of the stations that carry AAR. And if
> AAR
> > was so great, why did they have ratings BEFORE AAR, but
> dont
> > know??? Obviously SOMEONE was listening before AAR.
> > Obviously someone can get the signal.
> >
>
>
> Why is it that anytime I respond to a post, you get all hot
> about it? And I never said anything about Mr. Broker being
> a right-wing idiot. Granted, the thing about WWRC was in
> the post, but it was plastered all over RW blogs the past
> week. How many times did we read about it on this board?
>
> And WWRC's ratings prior to lib talk (as a FOX Sports
> affiliate) were pretty close to non-existent as well.
>


There are plenty of posts you haev made and I havent said a thing. I DISAGREE WITH YOU. That doesnt mean I am all "Hot and Bothered". Why is that a difficult thing to understand?

Sorry I dont read BLOGS. No need to, and really dont have a desire to. I would not want to base my opinoins on what someone else has to say. I can make up my own mind thank you.
 
Re: Distorting the Facts

> See my original post.
>
> Congratulations. You started another political p*fest,
> which apparently is what you political groupies live for.
> This is a radio board. Go find a political blog some place.

Tom's original post was about radio ratings, not politics. Perhaps you should lie low for a while, now that you've demonstrated your ignorance about how radio ratings work.
>
 
The numbers don't lie.

WWRC broadcasts from the center of DC...it's not as bad a signal as you seem to make it. I just ran a population study for the 2.5mV/m contour, and the signal covers AT LEAST 1,500,000 folks. However, let's assume it in fact IS a bad signal. The question becomes, why isn't AAR on a better signal in the market. The answer is quite simple. AAR is on shaky financial ground, and this fact is well-documented. Also, the network has no real history of ratings success. Therefore, why would any owner of a great signal take the risk with AAR? Simply put, they wouldn't. Why is Rush on the better signals? Because his show brings success for the owners.

I just wasted enough time to go through the 12+ ratings for ALL the markets where AAR airs. Sure, they are gaining audience. However, so is Rush. If Rush is on the way down, why did his listenership grow almost 2% last quarter? In 19 of 67 markets where AAR airs, the affiliates have NO measurable audience. AAR is a no-show in some big markets, including Detroit, Dallas, Minneapolis, and Atlanta. In fact, the network doesn't even have an affiliate in two top-ten markets, Houston and Philly. No audience in 28% of the markets where the network airs...yeah, that sounds like a threat to me!
 
Or just smelling?

Maybe we do need a political board - just to have someplace to put all the political junkies, so people interested in radio can talk about talk radio and relevant issues of programming, sales and engineering.

The rabid political types that come on here - armed with the latest debating points from the political bloggers - just want to prove their political opinions are correct (and all others are wrong). And they are deluded enough to think that radio ratings have something to do with which political opinions are correct.

Both sides are self-rigtheous, narrow-minded true believers who - deep down - only want opinions they agree with expressed anywhere, including on the radio.

This is why political talk radio's audience is shrinking. This is why talk radio is becoming less and less about politics. Radio has finally figured out that most people are disgusted with political types and don't care about politics any more. Political talk radio will become as marginal as religious talk radio with a few brokered zealots on low-powered AM stations preaching to the already converted (and asking for money).

What is ironic, is political talk radio as we know it has had a pretty good 15 or so year run. For much of that time, liberals have been on the sidelines wringing their hands about how unfair it is that Rush and other conservatives dominate talk radio and radio stations don't present both sides - while doing absolutely nothing about it (except, in true liberal fashion, expressing concern and making weak noises about brining back The Fairness Doctrine). Just as the party is winding down for political talk radio, the liberals finally decide to get off their butts and show up. The most visible player among them does an especially half-assed job but, of course, liberals can't stand to hear that. The bottom line is the party is almost over and talk radio is moving to the next - non-political - phase.
 
Re: Distorting the Facts

> See my original post.

There's nothing there to see. Except for where it quoted my post, it was entirely fact-free.

> Congratulations. You started another political p*fest,

Please cite a single political statement in my original post.

It was entirely about radio ratings and how competitors present them.<P ID="signature">______________
also known as tombetz.</P>
 
Re: Distorting the Facts

> AND IF YOU'D READ THE ENTIRE PRESS RELEASE, YOU'D KNOW CLEAR
> CHANNEL DID PROVIDE BREAK-OUTS FOR NEW YORK, LA AND CHICAGO.
>
>
> http://www.premiereradio.com/news/view/71.html

Ah, I see the source of your confusion now. You didn't read the October 28 press release I cited.

You read a whole different press release, from October 26. You were speaking not from a position of pure malice, but instead from a position of ignorance.

Go read the press release I actually cited, and get back to me.<P ID="signature">______________
also known as tombetz.</P>
 
Re: At least Rush doesn't beg for support...

> You obviously haven't been paying attention to reality. In
> the three minutes I can handle their stupid programming
> before tuning out, I've heard the begging numerous times.

See, now you've given yourself away.

Anyone who actually listens to AAR knows that this is just an untrue statement.

It just hasn't been done, not once. The closest they have ever come to begging is to run spots advertising sales of their swag.

If you can provide dates and times to support your assertion, I'm willing to investigate them.

But you won't be able to, because it has not happened.<P ID="signature">______________
also known as tombetz.</P>
 
Re: At least Rush doesn't beg for support...

> PORTLAND...probably one of the two most-liberal stations in
> the country.

Hmm. The right-wing talking point used to be that liberals wouldn't listen to talk radio. Now it seems to be "only liberals will listen to liberal talk radio." I hate to break the news to you, but there are plenty of liberals in every urban area in this country. As for Portland and San Francisco, it's true that those cities are liberal, but their suburbs are far less so. In fact, Clackamas County, the big suburban county just to the south of Portland, voted for Bush in '04. Or did you think that radio signals are confined to a city's geographical borders?

Also, that a station is
> 'progressive talk' does not dictate that it carries the
> entire AAR lineup. Many of these new PT stations carry
> Stephanie Miller, Jerry Springer, and Ed Schultz, neither of
> which are syndicated by AAR.

Jerry Springer is syndicated by AAR. And the fact that some progressive stations carry non-AAR hosts undermines your claim that AAR is a failure in Washington, D.C. WWRC, which has a terrible signal, has exactly one AAR show between 6am and 6pm, and uses Don Imus -- not exactly a progressive -- as its morning show.
>
>
> > But Franken is actually beating Limbaugh in two top-25
> > markets in 25-54 and is close in several others. Sounds
> > like a "reasonable threat" to me.
>
> Franken is beating Rush in TWO markets, San Francisco and
> Portland. The two most liberal markets in the country. How
> on earth is it a reasonable threat when Rush has close to
> 600 affiliates?

The point is that AAR is growing, in both affiliate numbers and ratings. This is the first time that Franken has beaten Limbaugh anywhere, a feat that nobody thought was possible a year ago.

>Of course, it's well-documented that AAR has
> trouble paying the bills to be on those stations.

Well-documented? Where? Are you talking about the first month of AAR's existence, when con man Evan Cohen was mismanaging the place?
> In
> the three minutes I can handle their stupid programming
> before tuning out, I've heard the begging numerous times.

I listen to AAR programming about twenty hours a week and have never heard any "begging." You seem to be either (a) a liar or (b) the only person in the world who has heard such "begging."


> two months ago it was revealed that AAR took $870,000 from
> the Boys and Girls Clubs of New York. They can't keep their
> heads above water, and you think they'll be a credible
> threat to Rush, the most successful talk host in America?

Evan Cohen, the disgraced former executive at both the Boys and Girls Club and Air America, arranged for this loan more than a year and a half ago. He's been gone from AAR for almost a year and a half, but you still hang on to his memory for what seem to be partisan reasons.
 
Re: And since we are talking about ratings...

> > > Well, are you familiar at all with WWRC? Hardly anyone
> > can
> > > pick the station up! The signal has horrible coverage!
> > >
> > > Do us all a favor. Stop trying to learn about radio by
> > > reading right-wing blogs.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well, if AAR was as great as you say, shouldn't they be on
> a
> > better stick?!
> >
> > And, for your information, I have learned the radio
> business
> > through experience. I started my career as a board-op, and
>
> > worked my way up from there. I have been a very successful
>
> > Owner, GM, and PD. The stations I have owned have all been
>
> > sold at a profit, because I understand the business. Now,
> I
> > have a very successful brokerage and consulting firm,
> which,
> > again, is successful because I understand the business.
> > Frankly, I couldn't have achieved what I have if I "learn
> > about radio by reading right-wing blogs".
> >
> > I'm incredibly sorry that the format you want to hear on
> > radio is not successful. However, this gives you
> absolutely
> > no grounds to attack me personally.
> >
>
> The point I'm getting at is that it is pretty ridiculous to
> use a station that can't even cover a sizeable portion of
> their market as a legitimate comparison.
>
> I'm sorry that the conservatives here get a tad too touchy
> when I refute their talking points. Jeez!
>


You crack me up. Refute their talking points....LOL But I digress.

Fine pick a station with coverage to discuss.

The point made, I think was that WWRC had some ratings before AAR then they completely went away. Thats is all it was.
 
Re: At least Rush doesn't beg for support...

> Certainly I'm biased. Everybody is to a certain extent.
> However, the fact that I'm a died-in-the-wool Republican who
> thinks Al Franken is a moron doesn't change the realities of
> our business. I'm a huge talk radio fan, and I don't listen
> to Hannity or Rush for much the same reason I don't listen
> to Franken. However, if I have to choose between Rush and
> Franken, I'll choose Rush, because he isn't an idiot. Sorry,
> but I give a lot more credibility to political comentators
> who don't moonlight as comedians.

Boy am I surprised. You're a Republican. Could this have some impact on your decision to say that all Franken is an "idiot." You say that Limbaugh has more credibility because he doesn't moonlight as a comedian. How about talk show hosts who moonlight as drug addicts? I can't stand to listen to Limbaugh or Hannity, but I am not going to waste my time and the time of others on this board to express my disgust.

By the way, how come you didn't reply to my comment about your charge that AAR hosts are "begging for money" on the air. You claim you heard this in your "three minute" review of AAR programming. When did you hear this and who did the begging?

<P ID="signature">______________
http://talkingradio.blogspot.com/</P>
 
Re: At least Rush doesn't beg for support...

Ya know, this is an argument that nobody can win. We'll just have to agree to disagree. Frankly, I'm tired of wasting my time debating something that's moot point to all of us.

I'll go back to my REAL job in radio, and the rest of you can continue running the board or cutting the grass under the tower, or whatever it is you do that makes you think you are qualified to program radio stations...
 
Re: At least Rush doesn't beg for support...

> Ya know, this is an argument that nobody can win.

In other words, you didn't really hear what you claimed to hear.<P ID="signature">______________
also known as tombetz.</P>
 
Enough is enough.

Oh, I heard it. However, I'm sorry to inform you, but I have much better things to do with my time than to document every minute of radio I listen to.

I am a very frequent visitor to Radio-Info, especially the southeast boards. The only complaint I have is that there are way too many underqualified posters. I think this site would be a much better place if people only opined on subjects they are specifically qualified to discuss intelligently. Unfortunately, there are a few visitors to this site who aren't qualifed to program their VCRs, much less real radio stations.

I do not participate in personal attacks here, in an attempt to keep things on a professional level. However, others have chosen to take the low-road, and that's a shame. Earlier, on this particular board, a poster asked me to "Do us all a favor. Stop trying to learn about radio by reading right-wing blogs". Dispute facts and debate points all you want, but don't attack me personally.

I personally have paid my dues in the radio business, as have most of the talented individuals who contribute here. I've been a successful Owner, PD, and GM, and worked my way up in this business from a part-time position as a board-op. I understand the business, because I make work in it every day. Frankly, I couldn't have accomplished what I have if I didn't know the ins and outs of the radio business.

I am oftentimes amazed at the talent and knowledge posessed by many of the Radio-Info posters. At least once a week, I learn something new and valuable for my business, and I hope I'm able to contribute as much as I glean.

I believe I speak for many other RI regulars when I say that those of you who are unqualified to enguage in intelligent and informed discourse should not do so. The fact that you once cut the grass under the tower of a radio station does not qualify you to run a broadcast group or second-guess the folks in charge. That you once did overnights on a rock station in Lower Nowheresberg does not make you qualified to be a Program Director. And, I'm sorry that the programming you'd like to hear on radio will never be successful, but that does not give you the right to personally attack somebody who tells you so. Anybody who's ever been successful in this business will tell you that the first Cardinal Rule of radio is that you simply can't program based upon your own emotions.

The radio business is a great place to spend a lifetime. It is my sincere hope that the half-cocked notions of some who post here are not construed as reality, or a reflection of the business that so many of us love.
 
Re: Enough is enough.

> Oh, I heard it. However, I'm sorry to inform you, but I have
> much better things to do with my time than to document every
> minute of radio I listen to.
>
> I am a very frequent visitor to Radio-Info, especially the
> southeast boards. The only complaint I have is that there
> are way too many underqualified posters. I think this site
> would be a much better place if people only opined on
> subjects they are specifically qualified to discuss
> intelligently. Unfortunately, there are a few visitors to
> this site who aren't qualifed to program their VCRs, much
> less real radio stations.
>
> I do not participate in personal attacks here, in an attempt
> to keep things on a professional level. However, others have
> chosen to take the low-road, and that's a shame. Earlier, on
> this particular board, a poster asked me to "Do us all a
> favor. Stop trying to learn about radio by reading
> right-wing blogs". Dispute facts and debate points all you
> want, but don't attack me personally.
>
> I personally have paid my dues in the radio business, as
> have most of the talented individuals who contribute here.
> I've been a successful Owner, PD, and GM, and worked my way
> up in this business from a part-time position as a board-op.
> I understand the business, because I make work in it every
> day. Frankly, I couldn't have accomplished what I have if I
> didn't know the ins and outs of the radio business.
>
> I am oftentimes amazed at the talent and knowledge posessed
> by many of the Radio-Info posters. At least once a week, I
> learn something new and valuable for my business, and I hope
> I'm able to contribute as much as I glean.
>
> I believe I speak for many other RI regulars when I say that
> those of you who are unqualified to enguage in intelligent
> and informed discourse should not do so. The fact that you
> once cut the grass under the tower of a radio station does
> not qualify you to run a broadcast group or second-guess the
> folks in charge. That you once did overnights on a rock
> station in Lower Nowheresberg does not make you qualified to
> be a Program Director. And, I'm sorry that the programming
> you'd like to hear on radio will never be successful, but
> that does not give you the right to personally attack
> somebody who tells you so. Anybody who's ever been
> successful in this business will tell you that the first
> Cardinal Rule of radio is that you simply can't program
> based upon your own emotions.
>
> The radio business is a great place to spend a lifetime. It
> is my sincere hope that the half-cocked notions of some who
> post here are not construed as reality, or a reflection of
> the business that so many of us love.
>


Good post sir! It is nice to see some intelligence on this board!

The lame attacks get so old. It just shows that those people have nothing else in their arsenal, and must attack others with name calling.
 
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