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Limbaugh/Premier Radio smelling of fear?

Re: Enough is enough.

> The fact that you
> once cut the grass under the tower of a radio station does
> not qualify you to run a broadcast group or second-guess the
> folks in charge. That you once did overnights on a rock
> station in Lower Nowheresberg does not make you qualified to
> be a Program Director.

You are giving most of the people who post here way too much credit. Most of the posters are "fans," who have never been near a radio station. On this board, people are fans with a political agenda. It's easier on the other boards. People who post about Oldies like oldies, so they may argue fine points but they pretty much share the same agenda. Here you've got RWers and LWers with contradictory agendas who think what happens in political talk radio matters in the real world.

In any case, you can't talk to fans. They only care about what they like. They don't care about our problems - and there's really no reason why they should. I'm no different. If I go to a restaurant and they are having problems, I don't care about their problems. I only care whether I like the food and whether the service is good. The difference between me and most radio fans is while I know whether I like the restaurant's apple pie or not - I DON'T think I know how to make one.
 
Re: At least Rush doesn't beg for support...

> > Ya know, this is an argument that nobody can win.
>
> In other words, you didn't really hear what you claimed to
> hear.
>


MY GOD this has got to be one of the STUPIDEST (used intentionally) posts I haev seen!

Now you are trying to say what he heard or didnt hear??? How the HELL would YOU know???
 
Re: At least Rush doesn't beg for support...

> > You obviously haven't been paying attention to reality. In
>
> > the three minutes I can handle their stupid programming
> > before tuning out, I've heard the begging numerous times.
>
> See, now you've given yourself away.
>
> Anyone who actually listens to AAR knows that this is just
> an untrue statement.
>
> It just hasn't been done, not once. The closest they have
> ever come to begging is to run spots advertising sales of
> their swag.
>
> If you can provide dates and times to support your
> assertion, I'm willing to investigate them.
>
> But you won't be able to, because it has not happened.

Even better Tom, have him take a podcast and report the time on any show where there was begging. YOu can listen and then debunk or agree. I know there is no begging but fortunately AAR has so many fans that archive the shows...its easy to prove that there is no begging. Of course on stations where Schultz and Miller are on...why they aren't even a part of AAR so they have no need to beg either...

I love when they lie and its easy to catch 'em.
>
 
Re: At least Rush doesn't beg for support...

> Certainly I'm biased. Everybody is to a certain extent.
> However, the fact that I'm a died-in-the-wool Republican who
> thinks Al Franken is a moron doesn't change the realities of
> our business. I'm a huge talk radio fan, and I don't listen
> to Hannity or Rush for much the same reason I don't listen
> to Franken. However, if I have to choose between Rush and
> Franken, I'll choose Rush, because he isn't an idiot. Sorry,
> but I give a lot more credibility to political comentators
> who don't moonlight as comedians.

Hate to burst your bubble but Rush is a "self-created" political commentator...this was not his speciality when he got started. Rush has no record of really anything except being first to a new opportunity....he took it and it worked for him...but please don't give him gravatas he is not worthy or deserving of. Rush is no Tom Brokaw....neither is Al. They are talk show hosts that do political oriented material. Period.
>
 
Re: More Facts

> > I never said Clear Channel was the enemy....i wish they
> > would give AAR and other liberals more marketing...and of
> > course better signals when possible.
>
> They'll get them when they deserve them. Rush has to schlep
> through Class-C brokered dumpyards for years. In Portland,
> they deserve it, and they got it. In Albuquerque, similar.
> The problem is ideologues who are selfish and think because
> they have a political philosophy that everyone should hear
> it resonating from their coat hangers.
>

Actually you have to do what is considered to be an old chestnut ...you have to spend a little money to make money. I could care less about Rush's struggle....in the 80's. Unfortunately, its a very different world now for radio.

I believe most of the people who want AAR/progressive radio off the air are the ones who reflect the opinion you posted about selfishness....they don't even want progressives on the bad signal stations...much less on the air at all.
 
Re: Enough is enough.

> Oh, I heard it.

Date and time.<P ID="signature">______________
also known as tombetz.</P>
 
Re: Enough is enough.

> Date and time.


The horse is dead. Please stop beating it. I say I heard it, you say I didn't. Since I don't happen to record every minute of my radio listening, I have no proof, so we'll never reach a conclusion to this stupid debate. Sorry to disappoint you, but I have better things to do with my time than argue with you.

Now, I'm finished with this mindless discourse for good. Unless, of course, you want to pay my hourly fee. In that case, I'll be happy to spar with you until your checks start to bounce.
 
Re: Enough is enough.

> Oh, I heard it. However, I'm sorry to inform you, but I have
> much better things to do with my time than to document every
> minute of radio I listen to.

The Arbitron folks just had coronaries reading that!
 
Re: And since we are talking about ratings...

> And, for your information, I have learned the radio business
> through experience. I started my career as a board-op, and
> worked my way up from there. I have been a very successful
> Owner, GM, and PD. The stations I have owned have all been
> sold at a profit, because I understand the business. Now, I
> have a very successful brokerage and consulting firm, which,
> again, is successful because I understand the business.

And you're full of bs. No one on this board (and lots of radio execs post here) needs to publish their resume in order to make a point. Do you think you're going to impress someone by doing this?
<P ID="signature">______________
http://talkingradio.blogspot.com/</P>
 
Re: And since we are talking about ratings...

> And you're full of bs. No one on this board (and lots of
> radio execs post here) needs to publish their resume in
> order to make a point. Do you think you're going to impress
> someone by doing this?


There go the personal attacks again. I'm not trying to impress anyone by stating my qualifications. I'm simply making the point that I'm damned sure qualified to discuss the radio business intelligently. Are you implying that I'm lying about my career? Trust me, I'm not. If you are actually in the radio business, which seems very unlikely, then I'm sure you probably see my company's ads in most of the major trade publications. Incidentally, what DO you do for a living, and what are YOUR qualifications to discuss the radio business?


I'm done with this board. Thankfully, more intelligent folks post elsewhere on RI.
 
Re: And since we are talking about ratings...

You are a dumbass. "The Broker" has made enough money in this business to "kill you and keep your mama quiet"- he sold a few stations for me and syndicates some of the biggest names in radio. I have known him for years.

If I were you, I'd look up from that Ryan Seacrest show you are running and listen to words from a man who could help you.

But you won't.

Maybe ten years from now you might move up through the ranks to actually "turning the mike on" at the AM daytimer you work at in market 430... but ONLY after dark.

It amazes me the caliber of idiot they allow to post on these boards.



> > And, for your information, I have learned the radio
> business
> > through experience. I started my career as a board-op, and
>
> > worked my way up from there. I have been a very successful
>
> > Owner, GM, and PD. The stations I have owned have all been
>
> > sold at a profit, because I understand the business. Now,
> I
> > have a very successful brokerage and consulting firm,
> which,
> > again, is successful because I understand the business.
>
> And you're full of bs. No one on this board (and lots of
> radio execs post here) needs to publish their resume in
> order to make a point. Do you think you're going to impress
> someone by doing this?
>
 
Re: At least Rush doesn't beg for support...

I just got one thing, er maybe two,

Al Franken is a face for radio. Actually thank god most of their "talent" isn't on TV cuz... damn.


Also how much longer can they stay on with no money??

You know its funny political talk always pisses folks off... and nobody ever changes the others mind.

--j.b.p.
 
Re: And since we are talking about ratings...

> > And you're full of bs. No one on this board (and lots of
> > radio execs post here) needs to publish their resume in
> > order to make a point. Do you think you're going to
> impress
> > someone by doing this?
>
>
> There go the personal attacks again. I'm not trying to
> impress anyone by stating my qualifications. I'm simply
> making the point that I'm damned sure qualified to discuss
> the radio business intelligently. Are you implying that I'm
> lying about my career? Trust me, I'm not. If you are
> actually in the radio business, which seems very unlikely,
> then I'm sure you probably see my company's ads in most of
> the major trade publications. Incidentally, what DO you do
> for a living, and what are YOUR qualifications to discuss
> the radio business?
>
>
> I'm done with this board. Thankfully, more intelligent folks
> post elsewhere on RI.

"Good Night and Good Luck" Edward R. Murrow
"Good riddance to bad rubbage" Anon

<P ID="signature">______________
http://talkingradio.blogspot.com/</P>
 
Re: And since we are talking about ratings...

> > And, for your information, I have learned the radio
> business
> > through experience. I started my career as a board-op, and
>
> > worked my way up from there. I have been a very successful
>
> > Owner, GM, and PD. The stations I have owned have all been
>
> > sold at a profit, because I understand the business. Now,
> I
> > have a very successful brokerage and consulting firm,
> which,
> > again, is successful because I understand the business.
>
> And you're full of bs. No one on this board (and lots of
> radio execs post here) needs to publish their resume in
> order to make a point. Do you think you're going to impress
> someone by doing this?
>
Mr. or Miss, Mrs. or possibly Confused,
It's obvious that you are not willing to see another point unless
it agrees with yours. There is a word for that line of thinking,
and NO! I am not about to suggest the 'L' - it has far too high
an implication for you... the word for your actions is NARROW-MINDED.

The gentleman you claim is full of BS is far wiser than your comments
give him credit for. He simply stated his experience to solidify
his position on what he posted. He did not state his experience to
demean your overwhelming janitorial service in the radio industry.
The fact that you disregarded his experience shows me that you need
to grow up and learn the business from a perspective that doesn't
involve a urinal cake.

I realize the moderator of this board may not be welcome to my comments,
but I truly believe this board is set up to give TRUE radio people the
opportunity to agree or disagree with one another in a civil manner.
If that can't be done by a poster, I dare say leave the keyboard alone and
go back to your crayons.
The Spindoctor
 
Re: And since we are talking about ratings...

> You are a dumbass. "The Broker" has made enough money in
> this business to "kill you and keep your mama quiet"- he
> sold a few stations for me and syndicates some of the
> biggest names in radio. I have known him for years.
>
> If I were you, I'd look up from that Ryan Seacrest show you
> are running and listen to words from a man who could help
> you.
>
> But you won't.
>
> Maybe ten years from now you might move up through the ranks
> to actually "turning the mike on" at the AM daytimer you
> work at in market 430... but ONLY after dark.
>
> It amazes me the caliber of idiot they allow to post on
> these boards.
>
One word, two syllables... Amen!


> > > And, for your information, I have learned the radio
> > business
> > > through experience. I started my career as a board-op,
> and
> >
> > > worked my way up from there. I have been a very
> successful
> >
> > > Owner, GM, and PD. The stations I have owned have all
> been
> >
> > > sold at a profit, because I understand the business.
> Now,
> > I
> > > have a very successful brokerage and consulting firm,
> > which,
> > > again, is successful because I understand the business.
> >
> > And you're full of bs. No one on this board (and lots of
> > radio execs post here) needs to publish their resume in
> > order to make a point. Do you think you're going to
> impress
> > someone by doing this?
> >
>
 
Re: At least Rush doesn't beg for support...

> > > You obviously haven't been paying attention to reality.
> In
> >
> > > the three minutes I can handle their stupid programming
> > > before tuning out, I've heard the begging numerous
> times.
> >
> > See, now you've given yourself away.
> >
> > Anyone who actually listens to AAR knows that this is just
>
> > an untrue statement.
> >
> > It just hasn't been done, not once. The closest they have
>
> > ever come to begging is to run spots advertising sales of
> > their swag.
> >
> > If you can provide dates and times to support your
> > assertion, I'm willing to investigate them.
> >
> > But you won't be able to, because it has not happened.
>
> Even better Tom, have him take a podcast and report the time
> on any show where there was begging. YOu can listen and then
> debunk or agree. I know there is no begging but fortunately
> AAR has so many fans that archive the shows...its easy to
> prove that there is no begging. Of course on stations where
> Schultz and Miller are on...why they aren't even a part of
> AAR so they have no need to beg either...
>
> I love when they lie and its easy to catch 'em.
> >
>
Give me a break. It amazes me how you defend the boatmaker of the
sinking ship when your own shipmates are using sledge hammers to fix the
leaks. (By the way, that was an analogy... figure it out and you win
some free environmentally-friendly ice cream).
Just for the record, AL Franken is touring America looking for Air America donations. (Factual,... not the made up stuff you seem to like so much)
The Spindoctor
 
Franken Is On Tour To Promote His Book

> Just for the record, AL Franken is touring America looking
> for Air America donations. (Factual,... not the made up
> stuff you seem to like so much)
> The Spindoctor

Al Franken is touring America to promote his new book and do live broadcasts from cities where he has affiliates. I've listented to him the last couple of days when he did his show before big crowds in Seattle and Spokane. Even his harshest critics admit that he does a better show before a live audience than he does from a studio. He plugged his book, but didn't ask for "donations." Where did you get that idea? "Factual?" I'm afraid not.
 
Franken does not beg for Air America; does beg people to buy his new book

Factual? That sounds extremely funny coming from someone with a screen name like "The Spindoctor." If this is fact, tell us the specific times in Al Franken's archived shows where he "begs" for donations for Air America Radio. Al's free archived show are available at <a target="_blank" href=http://www.airamericaplace.com/archive.php?mode=show&id=5>this link</a> from Air America Place. Either put up proof or shut up!

> Give me a break. It amazes me how you defend the boatmaker
> of the
> sinking ship when your own shipmates are using sledge
> hammers to fix the
> leaks. (By the way, that was an analogy... figure it out
> and you win
> some free environmentally-friendly ice cream).
> Just for the record, AL Franken is touring America looking
> for Air America donations. (Factual,... not the made up
> stuff you seem to like so much)
> The Spindoctor
 
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