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Los Angeles + Riverside-San Bernardino Radio Ratings: January 2015

The January 2015 survey period covers Thu. 1/1/15 - Wed. 1/28/15 -
publicly released data for subscribing stations age 6+ overall:

Los Angeles: http://ratings.****************/cgi-bin/rol.exe/arb003
Riverside-San Bernardino: http://ratings.****************/cgi-bin/rol.exe/arb379

Next report will be for the February 2015 survey period covering Thu. 1/29/15 - Wed. 2/25/15.
The data release date will be Mon. 3/16/2015.

AllAccess.com January 2015 PPM Analysis by Research Director Inc. includes
demo breakouts for the top 5 overall, top 5 in 25-54, top 5 in 18-34 and top 5 in 18-49
(Los Angeles is discussed second):

http://www.allaccess.com/net-news/a...rch-director-inc-presents-exclusive-january-p
 
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So Power 106 has a 4.0 and KHHT, in the final month of its r&b oldies format, had a 2.6. Can anyone make a guess as to what percentage of Hot 92.3's listeners are still listening to the station in its new incarnation as Real 92.3? I'm guessing it's very low. But if Real 92.3 can manage to steal away half of KPWR's listeners, the station could soon have a 2.0. Oh wait.....

KFI ranks tenth. Does anyone foresee KFI ever returning to the top spot? And does anyone foresee The Beast 980 KFWB ever rising above a 0.2 share?
 
I love when the ratings come out, because everyone goes crazy trying to make predictions based on the meaningless 6+ numbers that Nielsen gives away for public consumption.

Especially certain people who still haven't allowed the explanation of how sports stations are not dependent on ratings to sink in.
 
KFI ranks tenth. Does anyone foresee KFI ever returning to the top spot? And does anyone foresee The Beast 980 KFWB ever rising above a 0.2 share?

Unfortunately no and maybe.

KFI will always dominate AM in Los Angeles-Orange County because of its power and transmitter location as long as it maintains its program quality, but music on FM has the larger audience.

KFWB with a sports format may improve its ratings somewhat but KLAC and KSPN have superior signals and the on-air contracts more local sports franchises..
 
Unfortunately no and maybe.

KFI will always dominate AM in Los Angeles-Orange County because of its power and transmitter location as long as it maintains its program quality, but music on FM has the larger audience.

KFWB with a sports format may improve its ratings somewhat but KLAC and KSPN have superior signals and the on-air contracts more local sports franchises..

I think we've established that Sports doesn't need ratings to sell. With that in mind, what difference does the signal make, if no one is listening anyway?
 
If no one was listening it wouldn't make a difference, but that is an invalid premise. There are AM listeners - just not as many as in prior decades.

We had a local speaker from KFI radio (Neil Saavadra) at a community event last year and a number of people were very familiar with his two shows on the station. It may be why the event sold out faster than normal.

Similarly, Clippers fans are no doubt aware that KFWB carries their team's games - just as Dodgers fans know to turn to KLAC, Lakers's followers to KSPN and King's fans to KABC. But none of these AM stations has a listener base anywhere near 50,000 watt KFI - and its the signal that makes much of the difference. At the same time KFI will in 2015 and going forward be consistently surpassed by its FM iHeart Media sister stations KISS, KBiG and KOST, but its still in the top 10. KNX (also 50,000 watts) continues to have respectable numbers as well. FM simply does music better and has captured that portion of the consumer market while band clutter from shielded devices of all types has (as others have pointed out) greatly reduced the footprint of lower powered AM ststions..
 
If no one was listening it wouldn't make a difference, but that is an invalid premise. There are AM listeners - just not as many as in prior decades.

We had a local speaker from KFI radio (Neil Saavadra) at a community event last year and a number of people were very familiar with his two shows on the station. It may be why the event sold out faster than normal.

Similarly, Clippers fans are no doubt aware that KFWB carries their team's games - just as Dodgers fans know to turn to KLAC, Lakers's followers to KSPN and King's fans to KABC. But none of these AM stations has a listener base anywhere near 50,000 watt KFI - and its the signal that makes much of the difference. At the same time KFI will in 2015 and going forward be consistently surpassed by its FM iHeart Media sister stations KISS, KBiG and KOST, but its still in the top 10. KNX (also 50,000 watts) continues to have respectable numbers as well. FM simply does music better and has captured that portion of the consumer market while band clutter from shielded devices of all types has (as others have pointed out) greatly reduced the footprint of lower powered AM ststions..

I'm not debating that KFI still has listeners, although that great signal didn't seem to help much, before they switched to Talk. I was referring to the Sports format in general and KFWB in particular.
 
I'm not debating that KFI still has listeners, although that great signal didn't seem to help much, before they switched to Talk. I was referring to the Sports format in general and KFWB in particular.

A great signal will not help a station with the wrong format. KFI was trying to do a music format for a demo that had moved on to FM.

As for KFWB and Sports Talk, a 0.2 doesn't mean no one is listening. It's tens of thousands of people...too low to make money in spot sales in a mass-appeal format, but because virtually all of the audience is a focused, desirable target, advertisers will spend money to reach them.
 
A great signal will not help a station with the wrong format. KFI was trying to do a music format for a demo that had moved on to FM.

As for KFWB and Sports Talk, a 0.2 doesn't mean no one is listening. It's tens of thousands of people...too low to make money in spot sales in a mass-appeal format, but because virtually all of the audience is a focused, desirable target, advertisers will spend money to reach them.

I was actually thinking before that, when they were still MOR. It wasn't terrible but KMPC pretty much had that tied up. Anything below a two share used to be too low to get a handle on. It's nice to know that we've advanced enough that even 0.2 is usable.
 
Correct.

It has been a half century since KHJ and KFWB were duking it out as Boss vs Color radio while KFI was locked into a magazine format while being managed by non-broadcast people under terms of its founder's trust agreement.

When the trust sold the station to Cox John Wesley and Biggie Nevins swept into town, trashing the magazine and trying to do AM top forty radio, which was a fading format in the early seventies. color radio KFWB had already switched to to all news at the end of the sixties; KHJ became KKHJ in espanol. KABC had the Dodgers, Michael Jackson (the tslk show host, not the singer) plus Paul Harvey and was #1 on AM while KFI languished despite a new studio building.

It was sometime in the eighties that KFI started going all talk and never looked back. KABC lost the Dodgers and never recovered; KHJ and KFWB, lacking both KFI's talent and signal, had lost out to FM. KMPC was part of Gene Autrey's realm along with KTLA and the Angels, standing in a class by itself. .

Its hard to believe so much time has elapsed since the demise of network radio and the shift to television until one pauses and recalls all that has happened. Now we have entirely new platforms which themselves may be about to transition again.
 
I was actually thinking before that, when they were still MOR. It wasn't terrible but KMPC pretty much had that tied up. Anything below a two share used to be too low to get a handle on. It's nice to know that we've advanced enough that even 0.2 is usable.

Well, two things there, Semoochie...back then, both KMPC and KFI covered most of what mattered for L.A. ratings. Orange County and Riverside-San Bernardino were separate markets (Riverside-San Berdoo still is). And KMPC was hard to compete with. If both stations come in comparably, there is no signal advantage and for the most part, KMPC had better jocks, news and traffic coverage as well as a more consistent approach to music.

It was far from a blowout, though. In fall, 1966, KMPC had a 9.0, KFI a 7.0. Fall '67, KMPC 8.0, KFI 6.0. Things got bad when KFI tried to modernize, then retreated, in '68-'71, but KFI actually beat KMPC in the fall of '72 and '73.
 
In the early 1980s, KFI had a top-40 format. I saved all the weekly Top 30 lists that were published in the Los Angeles Times from 1980 to 1982. I don't know who at KFI thought that a top-40 format would work on AM radio at that time...although KMPC had attempted a semi-top-40 format in the late 1970s. Remember Wink Martindale's Friday-afternoon top-20 countdown shows? KFI's format became a little more adult-oriented in the mid-'80s. In the Summer 1984 Arbitrons, KFI ranked 20th with a 1.8 and KMPC was 6th with a 3.4. In 1987, KFI started transitioning to a talk format. They started carrying Tom Leykis, Toni Grant and some guy named Rush Limbaugh. In 1989, only one music program remained, the morning show with Gary Owens and Al Lohman. They were replaced in July by Dave Grosby and Terri-Rae Elmer from KFBK in Sacramento. KFBK news director David Hall also came to KFI.

By the way, the top station in Summer 1984 was KIIS with a 10.0. KABC was second with a 7.9.
 
In the early 1980s, KFI had a top-40 format. I saved all the weekly Top 30 lists that were published in the Los Angeles Times from 1980 to 1982. I don't know who at KFI thought that a top-40 format would work on AM radio at that time...although KMPC had attempted a semi-top-40 format in the late 1970s. Remember Wink Martindale's Friday-afternoon top-20 countdown shows? .

It helps, Steve, to remember that KFI began its transition to Top 40 in late 1976, when KHJ was 3rd in the market with a 5.3 and there was a combined 8.6 in Top 40 shares on AM between KHJ and the Billy Pearl-Tom Greenleigh programmed (and automated) KRLA. KGBS flipped to KTNQ about the same time that KFI began a more gradual morph to Top 40.

One year later (fall '77), KHJ had fallen 5.3-3.5, KFI had gone 2.9-3.1 and KTNQ managed only a 2.1.

A year after that (fall '78), it was KHJ falling further to a 2.7, KFI slipping to a 2.6 and KTNQ still at 2.1.

And one year after that (fall '79), KFI had taken the lead with a 3.3, KHJ dripping to a 2.4 and KTNQ no longer a factor, having switched to Spanish.

The following fall, KHJ went country. So KFI made the right choice at the time, and rode out the last wave of Top 40 as a viable format on AM. They morphed back to AC in '82.

As for KMPC, that wasn't "semi-top-40". That was AC. And Wink's countdowns were a Top 30 counted down over two days, 15 songs per day, based on the Billboard Adult Contemporary chart.

It should also be noted that in the Summer 1984 Arbitron, KFI was playing music that could be found all over the FM dial, while KMPC had gone Big Band/Nostalgia and was about to force its only competition, KPRZ (also on AM) into a format change. KMPC's audience was a generation older than KFI's at the time and had no bias against AM and no hope of finding that music on FM.
 
Yes, KFI had quite a musical history - even its own organ where Howard Culver (later with KLAC news) used to host "Stairway to the Stars" with organist Bob Mitchell and Engineer Newcomb Weisenberger for a quarter hour after the Richfield Reporter, as noted in this story:

http://www.oldradio.com/archives/stations/LA/nw4.htm

The organ wound up at a church in Garden Grove attended by Weisdenberger but the basement wind turbine that powered it remained in the KFI basement for years according to Weisenberger;s account. KFi's Bob Mitchell was still living at the age of 97 in 2002 when he gave this interview which includes an interesting stiry about KFI's organ:

http://www.1377731.com/hammond/leslie.html

KFI in radio's "golden era" had its own choir (actually the Mitchell Boys Choir and in the fufties abnd sixties aired "Turn Back the Clock"featuring SAndy and Virgiia Mansfield in morning drive featuring oldies fro the thirties and fortes (and fed to the Armed Forces Radio Network), plus polka parade with Dick Sinclair (also fed to AFRN) and Chuck Ceul's Swingin Years (carried after he left KFI for over forty more years in syndication and public radio).

When KFI studios moved from their Vermont site to 8th & Ardmore most of its music library reportedly was gifted to UCLA. but I've not been able to confirm this.
 
Thank you, K.M.---I should have made it more clear that not all those three hosts were part of KFI in 1987. The transition from music to talk took two years. Michael, I used to listen to Wink Martindale's KMPC countdown shows and I did not know that he was using Billboard's AC chart. I remember hearing a lot of songs that sounded out of place on KMPC. Two examples: Leo Sayer's When I Need You and Paul McCartney's With A Little Luck. I also remember Wink announcing one afternoon that KMPC will be the first Los Angeles station to play Kenny Rogers' new single. It was The Gambler. I wondered why a promo man wouldn't have given it to KLAC first. Around 1980, KMPC adopted an MOR oldies format known as "The Unforgettables." Nat "King" Cole's Unforgettable was the format's theme song. KMPC played MOR songs which were hit singles, spanning the late 1940s (It's Magic, Far Away Places, Some Enchanted Evening) through the mid-'70s (Mandy, The Last Farewell, The Way We Were). I wish that format had lasted longer.

As for KHJ going country, I taped some of that first evening. I heard Roy Orbison, Ricky Nelson, Buddy Holly, Creedence Clearwater Revival, the Eagles, Pure Prairie League's Amie and Charlie Dore's Pilot Of The Airwaves. I don't think any of those artists "grew up to be cowboys." Yeeee-hawwww!!!
 
Around 1980, KMPC adopted an MOR oldies format known as "The Unforgettables." Nat "King" Cole's Unforgettable was the format's theme song. KMPC played MOR songs which were hit singles, spanning the late 1940s (It's Magic, Far Away Places, Some Enchanted Evening) through the mid-'70s (Mandy, The Last Farewell, The Way We Were). I wish that format had lasted longer.

They returned to that format from 1988 to 1992 under PD Chuck Southcott, then went sports talk (Southcott, the music and most of the KMPC personalities moved to 1260 as "K-Joy").
 
Thank you, K.M.---I should have made it more clear that not all those three hosts were part of KFI in 1987. The transition from music to talk took two years. Michael, I used to listen to Wink Martindale's KMPC countdown shows and I did not know that he was using Billboard's AC chart. I remember hearing a lot of songs that sounded out of place on KMPC. Two examples: Leo Sayer's When I Need You and Paul McCartney's With A Little Luck. I also remember Wink announcing one afternoon that KMPC will be the first Los Angeles station to play Kenny Rogers' new single. It was The Gambler. I wondered why a promo man wouldn't have given it to KLAC first. Around 1980, KMPC adopted an MOR oldies format known as "The Unforgettables." Nat "King" Cole's Unforgettable was the format's theme song. KMPC played MOR songs which were hit singles, spanning the late 1940s (It's Magic, Far Away Places, Some Enchanted Evening) through the mid-'70s (Mandy, The Last Farewell, The Way We Were). I wish that format had lasted longer.

As for KHJ going country, I taped some of that first evening. I heard Roy Orbison, Ricky Nelson, Buddy Holly, Creedence Clearwater Revival, the Eagles, Pure Prairie League's Amie and Charlie Dore's Pilot Of The Airwaves. I don't think any of those artists "grew up to be cowboys." Yeeee-hawwww!!!

Steve:

I'm surprised you thought "When I Need You" and "With A Little Luck" sounded out of place by that point. KMPC had been playing music like that since switching from MOR to Adult Contemporary in 1973. I remember being surprised at the time to hear Geoff Edwards play "Trouble Man" by Marvin Gaye when it was new (and telling "my friend Charlie Tuna at KKDJ" that he really should be playing it), and there's an aircheck of Sonny Melendrez from 1975 where he plays "Bad Time" by Grand Funk. But that's what AC was...essentially the same songs as the Top 40 station, minus the 5 or 6 hardest rocking ones.

As to why KMPC got the exclusive on Kenny Rogers' "The Gambler", it could be that UA Records wanted to break the record quickly on mass-appeal radio (AC and Top 40) rather than waiting to cross over from country play.

The timeline for KMPC: They very gradually went talk from late 1979 until early 1981...and failed (16th with a 2.4 in 1982, to KABC's #1 with a 6.7). Meantime, KPRZ (1150), with many of KMPC's old jocks (notably Gary Owens and Dick Whittinghill) had zoomed into the Top 10 from a no-show as a religious station with a big band/nostalgia format.

Bill Ward (GM) and Gene Autry (owner) recognized that it sounded very much like KMPC in the glory days and was on a lesser signal than the one they had. So in spring, 1983, KMPC dumped talk and hired Bill Drake to consult. He took the formatics of his "Hitparade" automation format, re-adjusted it for live jocks and substituted big band/nostalgia music. In 18 months, KPRZ was no more (flipping to a shadow-cast of KIIS-FM) and KMPC managed to peak at #6 with a 3.3 in 1985.

Drake left after a year, but the format stayed on the air, with adjustments, continuously until May of 1992, as K.M. notes. Ultimately, as was the case for KFRC's tremendous "Magic 61" (which, by the end, was a much better station than KMPC), the problem became advertiser resistance. It was simply too difficult to sell spots, even when the ratings were good. By that point, the bulk of the audience for that kind of music was 60+ (in truth, 70+).

As for KHJ's early music mix in the Country format, that was two things:

1) An attempt to cash in on the Urban Cowboy phase (remember, the soundtrack to that film featured not only Mickey Gilley, Johnny Lee, Anne Murray and Kenny Rogers, but Jimmy Buffett, Linda Ronstadt, The Eagles, Joe Walsh and Boz Scaggs).

2) An attempt to smooth the transition for any existing KHJ listeners who might be open to sampling the new format.
 
Between the time KHJ announced they would change formats from top-40 to country and the time they finally finished doing all their research and assembling a country music library and made the change, KZLA had beaten them to it. KZLA dropped soft rock in favor of country. Every half-hour began the same way, with three in a row: oldie, recurrent, oldie. Then a commercial break and then another three in a row. The fourth song would be a current, followed by an oldie and a recurrent. I lost count of how many times Eddie Rabbitt's Gone Too Far got played during that first week! How many top-40 fans stayed with KHJ's country format? And how many country fans resented all the pop artists mixed in? And how well would Country KHJ have done if KZLA had not adopted the same format?

As for my negative reaction to hearing Leo Sayer and an uptempo Paul McCartney song on KMPC, that probably is because of all the years I spent listening to Gary Owens on that station. After so many years of hearing Frank Sinatra, Peggy Lee, Steve Lawrence, Peter Nero, Ed Ames, Percy Faith, Tony Bennett, Count Basie and Nat "King" Cole, I guess I just assumed the traditional MOR format would continue. Just for fun---although I can't honestly say it was really fun---I pulled out a KMPC playlist at random. It was from June of 1970 and among the usual MOR artists were Mark Lindsay, Ray Stevens, Bobby Sherman and Chicago! Apparently the traditional MOR format didn't last as long as I thought!
 
Timeline correction: Limbaugh's syndicated program didn't start until mid-1988, was not carried at the outset in the Los Angeles market, and spent the first ten weeks of 1989 on KWNK/670 before moving to KFI the second week of March.
http://articles.latimes.com/1989-03-11/entertainment/ca-938_1_rush-limbaugh

Did Rush Limbaugh have some kind of partial or regional syndication before 1988. The Chief Engineer and I tried to convince our owner to pick up his show and the owner died in 1987. There must be an answer that explains this.
 
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