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Idaho Lots Of Work At The Deer Point Transmitter Site NNE Boise

boiseengineer

boiseengineer

88.7 KOAY & 89.5 KTSY have moved to the old KBOI-TV/FM tower. A move of only 140 feet with not much change in altitude. 97.9 KBOI-FM/KQFC was on that tower from 1962 to 2000. They only filed for Special Temporary Authority after the move since a CP was not needed. The move was less then 3 arcsecond distance from the licensed location, the elevation was the same as licensed, the antenna was the same as licensed (they moved it) and the power remained the same as licensed.
The old Ch 9 antenna for KBOI-TV Virtual 2, RF Ch 9 was removed and a new omni UHF antenna installed. KBOI-TV will be RF 20. KAID Virtual Ch 4, RF 21 will be moving to it also. KBOI RF Ch 9 is using a temporary antenna.
KBSX 91.5 has a Construction Permit for 27 kW ERP, a big jump from the current 3.8 kW ERP. Putting a new antenna above their current one. 90.3 KBSU will use that antenna as an AUX and 91.5 KBSX will use the current antenna as their AUX.
KTVB Virtual Ch 7 RF Ch 7 has a CP for RF Ch 23 and 1,000 kW ERP. Replacing the 1957 Ch 7 antenna on the current tower.

With all this moving and construction several FM & TV stations are running low power.
 
KBOI-TV Ch 20 RF went on the air just after 6 PM MDT Friday the 26th.
Cutover from Ch 9 RF & rescan scheduled to happen Sunday the 28th.
 
That's the 'tower project' KTSY kept talking about (and people donated for it). They plan on doing some enhancements to the KTFY 'Bridge' Buhl transmitter next (88.1, Twin Falls).
If KBSX jumps to 27KW I should notice a stronger signal in Valley County.
 
The 89.5 KTSY 88.7 KOAY move is done. Except they used a loophole to move it without a CP. Now they have to license the different location. RFR may be an issue since it's low to the ground. Had an FM on that tower up to 2001 and it was way over the limits.
KBSX may start construction next year.
Structural enhancements are being done to the "LLC" tower where 90.3 91.5 92.3 93.1 96.9 97.9 2/20 4/21 6/24 35/28 are located so there's still a lot of stations on Deer Point running low power.
 
boiseengineer said:
The 89.5 KTSY 88.7 KOAY move is done. Except they used a loophole to move it without a CP. Now they have to license the different location. RFR may be an issue since it's low to the ground. Had an FM on that tower up to 2001 and it was way over the limits.
KBSX may start construction next year.
Structural enhancements are being done to the "LLC" tower where 90.3 91.5 92.3 93.1 96.9 97.9 2/20 4/21 6/24 35/28 are located so there's still a lot of stations on Deer Point running low power.
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what loop hole do you use to mvoe without a cp?
 
Less that 3 meters lower or 2 meters higher elevation change.
Less then 3 arc-second change.
No change in ERP, antenna type (unless the new ones has the same specs).
From old tower to new tower it's within a meter and 1.4 arc-second change.
Using the exact same antenna moved from the other tower.
Falls under correction and/or change of coordinates.
 
boiseengineer said:
Less that 3 meters lower or 2 meters higher elevation change.
Less then 3 arc-second change.
No change in ERP, antenna type (unless the new ones has the same specs).
From old tower to new tower it's within a meter and 1.4 arc-second change.
Using the exact same antenna moved from the other tower.
Falls under correction and/or change of coordinates.
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So they have no real change in coverage either?
 
SomeRadioGuy said:
So they have no real change in coverage either?
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It's "no change" but a basically a correction of coordinates of a couple hundred feet.

They had been on an STA due to "other users".

"DUE TO MECHANICAL CHANGES MADE BY OTHER USERS ON THE CO-LOCATED TOWER STRUCTURE UTILIZED BY THE KTSY ANTENNA SYSTEM, THE SYSTEM IS NOT CAPABLE OF OPERATING AT FULL LICENSED POWER DURING WINTER WEATHER CONDITIONS. KTSY IS IN THE PROCESS OF WORKING WITH CO-LOCATED USERS TO REMEDY THIS SITUATION AND HOPES TO HAVE RESOLUTION IN THE SECOND QUARTER OF 2022. IN THE MEANTIME WINTER WEATHER AND TOWER ICING HAS PREVENTED CORRECTION OF THE ANTENNA TUNING, WHICH HAS BEEN DETERMINED TO BE ENCROACHMENT OF TOWER HARDWARE MOUNTED BY OTHER USERS."

Most everyone else ion that 7200' mountain also have issues with winter weather.
Funny that they had to rebuild quite a bit of their antenna when it was discovered internally damaged this whole time.
Antenna tuning caused by other users? huh.
 
Not much change to the 88.7 and 89.5 signals since I got here. They both have full-power rebroadcasts anyway in McCall (88.3, 89.1). There's also a 92.7 Project translator in Cascade and another on 94.5 in McCall.
I haven't heard any of the Boise translators since I got here, except for: 95.3 (KTIK), 99.9 (Fox Sports), 102.3 (KGEM), 105.5 (KFXD, best signal), and 107.5 (both KIDO's and the OPB in Ontario). There's a whole bunch more in Boise that just don't make it here or even on higher peaks. They might be usable from a high mountain like Tripod Lookout, but it's been shut down for weeks due to the Boulder Fire.

Speaking of, the 99.1 translator in McCall (supposedly CSN) has been relaying static and a mix of the BSPR stations ever since I got here!! Somebody shut that awful noise off!

And KDBI-106.3 is a flamethrower. I swear I could hear their Oregon transmitter in a deep canyon with nothing else in. Now wouldn't it be something if the other Boise FMs moved there. I am getting either a 4-element or 9-element FM antenna this fall and an SDR. Might help me pull the Boise FMs in a little better that are on the spot beam (like JACK FM 105.1).
 
crainbebo said:
Not much change to the 88.7 and 89.5 signals since I got here. They both have full-power rebroadcasts anyway in McCall (88.3, 89.1). There's also a 92.7 Project translator in Cascade and another on 94.5 in McCall.
I haven't heard any of the Boise translators since I got here, except for: 95.3 (KTIK), 99.9 (Fox Sports), 102.3 (KGEM), 105.5 (KFXD, best signal), and 107.5 (both KIDO's and the OPB in Ontario). There's a whole bunch more in Boise that just don't make it here or even on higher peaks. They might be usable from a high mountain like Tripod Lookout, but it's been shut down for weeks due to the Boulder Fire.

Speaking of, the 99.1 translator in McCall (supposedly CSN) has been relaying static and a mix of the BSPR stations ever since I got here!! Somebody shut that awful noise off!

And KDBI-106.3 is a flamethrower. I swear I could hear their Oregon transmitter in a deep canyon with nothing else in. Now wouldn't it be something if the other Boise FMs moved there. I am getting either a 4-element or 9-element FM antenna this fall and an SDR. Might help me pull the Boise FMs in a little better that are on the spot beam (like JACK FM 105.1).
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Call CSN.. they have a number and a form on the website for technical issues like this. There's no way to remotely monitor a loss of program audio.

Well lets clarify..... unless they have a return audio feed from the site to HQ, theres no way simple audio monitoring can detect the difference between program audio and static

Ask me how i know? LOL 100.3 K262AI Laramie was fed over the air and the radio lost its marbles, came back up and defaulted to AM 520
 
boiseengineer said:
They had been on an STA due to "other users".

"DUE TO MECHANICAL CHANGES MADE BY OTHER USERS ON THE CO-LOCATED TOWER STRUCTURE UTILIZED BY THE KTSY ANTENNA SYSTEM, THE SYSTEM IS NOT CAPABLE OF OPERATING AT FULL LICENSED POWER DURING WINTER WEATHER CONDITIONS. KTSY IS IN THE PROCESS OF WORKING WITH CO-LOCATED USERS TO REMEDY THIS SITUATION AND HOPES TO HAVE RESOLUTION IN THE SECOND QUARTER OF 2022. IN THE MEANTIME WINTER WEATHER AND TOWER ICING HAS PREVENTED CORRECTION OF THE ANTENNA TUNING, WHICH HAS BEEN DETERMINED TO BE ENCROACHMENT OF TOWER HARDWARE MOUNTED BY OTHER USERS."
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I've often thought that the Commission should make stations specify what they specifically mean in cryptic statements like that. Even if in a separate exhibit, it would help separate what's going on from what amounts to gaslighting or straight-up B.S. Many times stations make up dramatic scenarios when the STA need might boil down to because someone was too cheap to purchase raydomes or antenna heaters when the antenna was purchased.
boiseengineer said:
Most everyone else ion that 7200' mountain also have issues with winter weather.
Funny that they had to rebuild quite a bit of their antenna when it was discovered internally damaged this whole time.
Antenna tuning caused by other users? huh.
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Yep, and rather than just admit you don't know yet why an antenna has high reflected power or degraded performance, let's make up some story so we can get a plausible reason for an extended STA. Behind the scenes, the real reason is the station wants to delay work or replacement due to cost.
 
99.1 is supposed to rebroadcast 89.9 KAWZ Marsing (shows as 89.9 KAWZ Twin Falls on license).
89.9 KAWZ licensed transmitter site is War Eagle mountain way south of Boise.
They have a CP for 100 kw from the KRBX 89.9, KDBI 106.3, & KRRB 88.1 site on Owyhee Ridge in Oregon south of Ontario.
KAWZ has a 360 watt AUX site there already and have been running it instead of the War Eagle site for years.
 
No wonder! But 89.1 (KAWS) Marsing has a local in McCall already, KAVY, Project.
Perhaps something I need to let Calvary Chapel know about, as what Paul said. Get one of the commercial Boise broadcasters up here and relay a rocker on that translator if anything. Bob FM or Jack FM could sure use a translator here. The latter barely makes it in (due to SW spot beam). 96.1 is OK at times, but weak in other parts.
 
Felt like it this morning. Many stations were very weak, yet 106.3 was as strong as it always is. Was hoping for some scatter DX to 'eclipse' them, but no avail. I still haven't heard KCLK 94.1, KFOO 96.1, or KZTB 97.9 yet from Cascade. Once I have the money for an SDR, antenna, phaser, etc. then I could probably get them.
 
This new place gets KDRK-93.7 Spokane in and out, all day long and definitely at night too. Must be the aircraft, or something. KPBX 91.1 is the same way. KIYE Kamiah is stronger than Project. With KUJJ off, KMBR Butte MT is often heard on 95.5 (but no Portland or Ogden...why?) Pulled out CFWE-FM3 Moose Hills AB a week ago on 96.7 (via meteor scatter, RDS hit). This is a phenomenal place for Ms and extreme Tr scatter.
KBSM McCall has had some issues the past couple of weeks too...they are fine now, but there are entire days where 91.7 is empty (except for Moscow ID weakly) and 90.9 is just 60dB of hiss from the local translator relaying static. I really enjoy the Mountain Stage show on Saturday afternoons from WV.

Do you get the 'River Club Radio' pirate from your place on 97.3? They seem to have a better variety of music than *Bob*...always a treat every Sunday when I make my valley trips. They get out weakly as far as Eagle. I have occasionally heard other pirates on 97.3, heard one near Vista last Sunday (not River Club).
 
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