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Montana to get its first Air America Radio affiliate
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Gnarlodious
Guest
Good business move... in theory
It's a good business move by someone, in theory. Historically Republican Montana voted in Democrats by a landslide in November surprising pundits nationwide. It may backfire on them however. Montanans are fed up with the neocons that have infiltrated the Republican party, but that doesn't mean they are really "liberal". Air America's flavor of big city Jewish oriented liberalism may not find an audience in Missoula. They would be wise to pre-empt the intellectual yammerers with someone like Doug Stephan, a down-to-earth old-fashioned conservative farmer who isn't heard on anywhere in Montana.<P ID="signature">______________
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It's a good business move by someone, in theory. Historically Republican Montana voted in Democrats by a landslide in November surprising pundits nationwide. It may backfire on them however. Montanans are fed up with the neocons that have infiltrated the Republican party, but that doesn't mean they are really "liberal". Air America's flavor of big city Jewish oriented liberalism may not find an audience in Missoula. They would be wise to pre-empt the intellectual yammerers with someone like Doug Stephan, a down-to-earth old-fashioned conservative farmer who isn't heard on anywhere in Montana.<P ID="signature">______________
• K5ZN</P>
> According to the last paragraph of this July 5th article in
> Billboard Radio Monitor, Montana will get its first Air
> America affiliate in July.
>
my lineup suggestion...
Montana is two hours behind correct?
Bill Press 4-7am
Stephanie Miller 7-10am
Al Franken 10-1pm
Ed Schultz 1-4pm
Phil Hendrie 4-7pm (copy KKZN's lead here)
Lionel 7-10pm
> Billboard Radio Monitor, Montana will get its first Air
> America affiliate in July.
>
my lineup suggestion...
Montana is two hours behind correct?
Bill Press 4-7am
Stephanie Miller 7-10am
Al Franken 10-1pm
Ed Schultz 1-4pm
Phil Hendrie 4-7pm (copy KKZN's lead here)
Lionel 7-10pm
Re: Good business move... in theory
> It's a good business move by someone, in theory.
> Historically Republican Montana voted in Democrats by a
> landslide in November surprising pundits nationwide. It may
> backfire on them however. Montanans are fed up with the
> neocons that have infiltrated the Republican party, but that
> doesn't mean they are really "liberal". Air America's flavor
> of big city Jewish oriented liberalism may not find an
> audience in Missoula. They would be wise to pre-empt the
> intellectual yammerers with someone like Doug Stephan, a
> down-to-earth old-fashioned conservative farmer who isn't
> heard on anywhere in Montana.
>
My experience with the people of Missoula: several clicks to the left of Chapel Hill NC. This is not a typical Montana town...think Granola and California.
Anyhoo- it looks like it will be an FM station, KKNS 105.9 FM. The FCC feels Missoula is underserved with radio stations...interesting story:
http://missoulian.com/articles/2005/06/23/entertainer/ent02.txt
> It's a good business move by someone, in theory.
> Historically Republican Montana voted in Democrats by a
> landslide in November surprising pundits nationwide. It may
> backfire on them however. Montanans are fed up with the
> neocons that have infiltrated the Republican party, but that
> doesn't mean they are really "liberal". Air America's flavor
> of big city Jewish oriented liberalism may not find an
> audience in Missoula. They would be wise to pre-empt the
> intellectual yammerers with someone like Doug Stephan, a
> down-to-earth old-fashioned conservative farmer who isn't
> heard on anywhere in Montana.
>
My experience with the people of Missoula: several clicks to the left of Chapel Hill NC. This is not a typical Montana town...think Granola and California.
Anyhoo- it looks like it will be an FM station, KKNS 105.9 FM. The FCC feels Missoula is underserved with radio stations...interesting story:
http://missoulian.com/articles/2005/06/23/entertainer/ent02.txt
Re: Good business move... in theory
> It's a good business move by someone, in theory.
> Historically Republican Montana voted in Democrats by a
> landslide in November surprising pundits nationwide. It may
> backfire on them however. Montanans are fed up with the
> neocons that have infiltrated the Republican party, but that
> doesn't mean they are really "liberal". Air America's flavor
> of big city Jewish oriented liberalism may not find an
> audience in Missoula. They would be wise to pre-empt the
> intellectual yammerers with someone like Doug Stephan, a
> down-to-earth old-fashioned conservative farmer who isn't
> heard on anywhere in Montana.
>
Very good points made here. I mean for some, Air America will serve as a culture shock with its New York based style of "radio." Of course there is an option of something live and local.
> It's a good business move by someone, in theory.
> Historically Republican Montana voted in Democrats by a
> landslide in November surprising pundits nationwide. It may
> backfire on them however. Montanans are fed up with the
> neocons that have infiltrated the Republican party, but that
> doesn't mean they are really "liberal". Air America's flavor
> of big city Jewish oriented liberalism may not find an
> audience in Missoula. They would be wise to pre-empt the
> intellectual yammerers with someone like Doug Stephan, a
> down-to-earth old-fashioned conservative farmer who isn't
> heard on anywhere in Montana.
>
Very good points made here. I mean for some, Air America will serve as a culture shock with its New York based style of "radio." Of course there is an option of something live and local.
> > According to the last paragraph of this July 5th article
> in
> > Billboard Radio Monitor, Montana will get its first Air
> > America affiliate in July.
> >
>
> my lineup suggestion...
>
> Montana is two hours behind correct?
>
> Bill Press 4-7am
> Stephanie Miller 7-10am
> Al Franken 10-1pm
> Ed Schultz 1-4pm
> Phil Hendrie 4-7pm (copy KKZN's lead here)
> Lionel 7-10pm
I like Steph Miller in AMD, but the other shows won't clear live. You need Randi (also on KKZN) to go for at least an hour. Then you could run Hendrie on the next-day refeed (5-8pm MT) and Lionel live (8-11pm MT).
> in
> > Billboard Radio Monitor, Montana will get its first Air
> > America affiliate in July.
> >
>
> my lineup suggestion...
>
> Montana is two hours behind correct?
>
> Bill Press 4-7am
> Stephanie Miller 7-10am
> Al Franken 10-1pm
> Ed Schultz 1-4pm
> Phil Hendrie 4-7pm (copy KKZN's lead here)
> Lionel 7-10pm
I like Steph Miller in AMD, but the other shows won't clear live. You need Randi (also on KKZN) to go for at least an hour. Then you could run Hendrie on the next-day refeed (5-8pm MT) and Lionel live (8-11pm MT).
T
Tom_
Guest
Re: Good business move... in theory
> It's a good business move by someone, in theory.
> Historically Republican Montana voted in Democrats by a
> landslide in November surprising pundits nationwide. It may
> backfire on them however. Montanans are fed up with the
> neocons that have infiltrated the Republican party, but that
> doesn't mean they are really "liberal". Air America's flavor
> of big city Jewish oriented liberalism may not find an
> audience in Missoula. They would be wise to pre-empt the
> intellectual yammerers with someone like Doug Stephan, a
> down-to-earth old-fashioned conservative farmer who isn't
> heard on anywhere in Montana.
I agree...
Some Montanans are concerned about issues that some people think affect their personal civil liberties...like the Patriot Act...think about hosts who are somewhat Libertarian, or who either interview or debate Libertarian guests (presence or absence of *L* below):
In addition to Doug Stephan, perhaps Thom Hartmann (*L*)...
Doug Basham...passionate and well researched anti-neo-con coverage...
Ed Schultz should do great there...a populist moderate Democrat...
Mike Malloy on Air America might do well due to his strong anti-war/anti-neocon viewpoints, except he is socially quite liberal...
They also could add Libertarian Harry Brown (*L*), who has a Saturday afternoon show...or Jeff Rense (*L*) weeknights, who has Libertarian leanings...
And, if only Jay Diamond (*L*) (680 WRKO, Boston, Entercom) was syndicated by Air America...
Chuck Harder as non-partisan populist, leaning to the left on economic issues...and Bob Brinker for financial advice and increasingly more political content...both Harder and Brinker are "far to the left" on energy policy and alternative energy...great choices for *BIG SKY COUNTRY!*
Note: I have no idea as for the undercutting of posts in this thread. I've reposted my post to follow yours...
> It's a good business move by someone, in theory.
> Historically Republican Montana voted in Democrats by a
> landslide in November surprising pundits nationwide. It may
> backfire on them however. Montanans are fed up with the
> neocons that have infiltrated the Republican party, but that
> doesn't mean they are really "liberal". Air America's flavor
> of big city Jewish oriented liberalism may not find an
> audience in Missoula. They would be wise to pre-empt the
> intellectual yammerers with someone like Doug Stephan, a
> down-to-earth old-fashioned conservative farmer who isn't
> heard on anywhere in Montana.
I agree...
Some Montanans are concerned about issues that some people think affect their personal civil liberties...like the Patriot Act...think about hosts who are somewhat Libertarian, or who either interview or debate Libertarian guests (presence or absence of *L* below):
In addition to Doug Stephan, perhaps Thom Hartmann (*L*)...
Doug Basham...passionate and well researched anti-neo-con coverage...
Ed Schultz should do great there...a populist moderate Democrat...
Mike Malloy on Air America might do well due to his strong anti-war/anti-neocon viewpoints, except he is socially quite liberal...
They also could add Libertarian Harry Brown (*L*), who has a Saturday afternoon show...or Jeff Rense (*L*) weeknights, who has Libertarian leanings...
And, if only Jay Diamond (*L*) (680 WRKO, Boston, Entercom) was syndicated by Air America...
Chuck Harder as non-partisan populist, leaning to the left on economic issues...and Bob Brinker for financial advice and increasingly more political content...both Harder and Brinker are "far to the left" on energy policy and alternative energy...great choices for *BIG SKY COUNTRY!*
Note: I have no idea as for the undercutting of posts in this thread. I've reposted my post to follow yours...
Re: Good business move... in theory
> It's a good business move by someone, in theory.
> Historically Republican Montana voted in Democrats by a
> landslide in November surprising pundits nationwide. It may
> backfire on them however. Montanans are fed up with the
> neocons that have infiltrated the Republican party, but that
> doesn't mean they are really "liberal". Air America's flavor
> of big city Jewish oriented liberalism may not find an
> audience in Missoula.
Agreed. I'm not sure the 2004 election is indicative of very much though. A very divisive contest between 2 weak candidates.
Could it be this format change is aimed at all the Californians who are moving to Montana?
> It's a good business move by someone, in theory.
> Historically Republican Montana voted in Democrats by a
> landslide in November surprising pundits nationwide. It may
> backfire on them however. Montanans are fed up with the
> neocons that have infiltrated the Republican party, but that
> doesn't mean they are really "liberal". Air America's flavor
> of big city Jewish oriented liberalism may not find an
> audience in Missoula.
Agreed. I'm not sure the 2004 election is indicative of very much though. A very divisive contest between 2 weak candidates.
Could it be this format change is aimed at all the Californians who are moving to Montana?
> According to the last paragraph of this July 5th article in
> Billboard Radio Monitor, Montana will get its first Air
> America affiliate in July.
>
Big Deal, Air America is on the bottom in almost every market. I guess they can now name montana to thier list of failures. Even in New York (which is Highly Liberal) Is almost at the bottom. The carribean music that it replaced did better.
> Billboard Radio Monitor, Montana will get its first Air
> America affiliate in July.
>
Big Deal, Air America is on the bottom in almost every market. I guess they can now name montana to thier list of failures. Even in New York (which is Highly Liberal) Is almost at the bottom. The carribean music that it replaced did better.
Z
zaxxons1
Guest
Re: Good business move... in theory
>
> Chuck Harder as non-partisan populist, leaning to the left
> on economic issues...
Is is just me, or is something up with Chuck Harder?
His last live broadcast was on June 27 (it's been all reruns since then); his "Current Events" section on his new Web site (www.chuckhardershow.com) hasn't been updated in two days; his satellite TV freebie promo is no more; his original Web site (www.forthepeople.org) hasn't been updated in five months; he hasn't mentioned his new book on the bankruptcy of America in two months.
I hate to rain on this Tom's parade, but it looks to me like Chuck Harder is not on the air anymore.
I noticed the exact same thing with Harder's satellite TV network (New Abilities TV). In early March, the TV network started broadcasting Harder TV show reruns, much like the radio program is doing today.
Three weeks later, the TV network was shut down.
Is Chuck Harder going off the air after almost 20 years?
>
> Chuck Harder as non-partisan populist, leaning to the left
> on economic issues...
Is is just me, or is something up with Chuck Harder?
His last live broadcast was on June 27 (it's been all reruns since then); his "Current Events" section on his new Web site (www.chuckhardershow.com) hasn't been updated in two days; his satellite TV freebie promo is no more; his original Web site (www.forthepeople.org) hasn't been updated in five months; he hasn't mentioned his new book on the bankruptcy of America in two months.
I hate to rain on this Tom's parade, but it looks to me like Chuck Harder is not on the air anymore.
I noticed the exact same thing with Harder's satellite TV network (New Abilities TV). In early March, the TV network started broadcasting Harder TV show reruns, much like the radio program is doing today.
Three weeks later, the TV network was shut down.
Is Chuck Harder going off the air after almost 20 years?
Re: Good business move... in theory
> >
> > Chuck Harder as non-partisan populist, leaning to the left
>
> > on economic issues...
>
> Is is just me, or is something up with Chuck Harder?
> His last live broadcast was on June 27 (it's been all reruns
> since then); his "Current Events" section on his new Web
> site (www.chuckhardershow.com) hasn't been updated in two
> days; his satellite TV freebie promo is no more; his
> original Web site (www.forthepeople.org) hasn't been updated
> in five months; he hasn't mentioned his new book on the
> bankruptcy of America in two months.
> I hate to rain on this Tom's parade, but it looks to me like
> Chuck Harder is not on the air anymore.
He may be on vacation, or having more health problems.
> I noticed the exact same thing with Harder's satellite TV
> network (New Abilities TV). In early March, the TV network
> started broadcasting Harder TV show reruns, much like the
> radio program is doing today.
> Three weeks later, the TV network was shut down.
The TV network is still there, sort of... mostly just a simulecast of NASA TV.
I suspect Chuck has to keep something on the air there since the TalkStar Network and some other stuff is fed on audio subchannels of the TV channel.
> Is Chuck Harder going off the air after almost 20 years?
>
It seems to continue to go downhill, which seems to have started when Chuck sold off his "For the People" network.
> >
> > Chuck Harder as non-partisan populist, leaning to the left
>
> > on economic issues...
>
> Is is just me, or is something up with Chuck Harder?
> His last live broadcast was on June 27 (it's been all reruns
> since then); his "Current Events" section on his new Web
> site (www.chuckhardershow.com) hasn't been updated in two
> days; his satellite TV freebie promo is no more; his
> original Web site (www.forthepeople.org) hasn't been updated
> in five months; he hasn't mentioned his new book on the
> bankruptcy of America in two months.
> I hate to rain on this Tom's parade, but it looks to me like
> Chuck Harder is not on the air anymore.
He may be on vacation, or having more health problems.
> I noticed the exact same thing with Harder's satellite TV
> network (New Abilities TV). In early March, the TV network
> started broadcasting Harder TV show reruns, much like the
> radio program is doing today.
> Three weeks later, the TV network was shut down.
The TV network is still there, sort of... mostly just a simulecast of NASA TV.
I suspect Chuck has to keep something on the air there since the TalkStar Network and some other stuff is fed on audio subchannels of the TV channel.
> Is Chuck Harder going off the air after almost 20 years?
>
It seems to continue to go downhill, which seems to have started when Chuck sold off his "For the People" network.
T
Tom_
Guest
Re: Chuck Harder
Chuck Harder broadcasts 11p-2p Pacific
with the refeed 5p-7p Pacific
on the talk star radio network that streams.
I listen nearly every day. He said a few days ago that he has now finished his new book.
> > Chuck Harder as non-partisan populist, leaning to the left
>
> > on economic issues...
>
> Is is just me, or is something up with Chuck Harder?
> His last live broadcast was on June 27 (it's been all reruns
> since then); his "Current Events" section on his new Web
> site (www.chuckhardershow.com) hasn't been updated in two
> days; his satellite TV freebie promo is no more; his
> original Web site (www.forthepeople.org) hasn't been updated
> in five months; he hasn't mentioned his new book on the
> bankruptcy of America in two months.
> I hate to rain on this Tom's parade, but it looks to me like
> Chuck Harder is not on the air anymore.
> I noticed the exact same thing with Harder's satellite TV
> network (New Abilities TV). In early March, the TV network
> started broadcasting Harder TV show reruns, much like the
> radio program is doing today.
> Three weeks later, the TV network was shut down.
> Is Chuck Harder going off the air after almost 20 years?
>
Chuck Harder broadcasts 11p-2p Pacific
with the refeed 5p-7p Pacific
on the talk star radio network that streams.
I listen nearly every day. He said a few days ago that he has now finished his new book.
> > Chuck Harder as non-partisan populist, leaning to the left
>
> > on economic issues...
>
> Is is just me, or is something up with Chuck Harder?
> His last live broadcast was on June 27 (it's been all reruns
> since then); his "Current Events" section on his new Web
> site (www.chuckhardershow.com) hasn't been updated in two
> days; his satellite TV freebie promo is no more; his
> original Web site (www.forthepeople.org) hasn't been updated
> in five months; he hasn't mentioned his new book on the
> bankruptcy of America in two months.
> I hate to rain on this Tom's parade, but it looks to me like
> Chuck Harder is not on the air anymore.
> I noticed the exact same thing with Harder's satellite TV
> network (New Abilities TV). In early March, the TV network
> started broadcasting Harder TV show reruns, much like the
> radio program is doing today.
> Three weeks later, the TV network was shut down.
> Is Chuck Harder going off the air after almost 20 years?
>
D
doc9464
Guest
Billboard obviously thought it was important enough to document....mostly due to the current democratic revival in the west, Montana being one of the states that has trended democrat in recent times (Gov is Dem, legislature shifted Dem),...so that is actually big news...now here comes liberal radio to MOntana...its a bit of a sea change and i think that deserves reporting....
on the insult about the carribean music....WLIB doing better than it did then ..and this lie was debunked....please at least get the talking points correct when somebody tells you what to think next time
> Big Deal, Air America is on the bottom in almost every
> market. I guess they can now name montana to thier list of
> failures. Even in New York (which is Highly Liberal) Is
> almost at the bottom. The carribean music that it replaced
> did better.
>
on the insult about the carribean music....WLIB doing better than it did then ..and this lie was debunked....please at least get the talking points correct when somebody tells you what to think next time
> Big Deal, Air America is on the bottom in almost every
> market. I guess they can now name montana to thier list of
> failures. Even in New York (which is Highly Liberal) Is
> almost at the bottom. The carribean music that it replaced
> did better.
>
> Billboard obviously thought it was important enough to
> document....mostly due to the current democratic revival in
> the west, Montana being one of the states that has trended
> democrat in recent times (Gov is Dem, legislature shifted
> Dem),...so that is actually big news...now here comes
> liberal radio to MOntana...its a bit of a sea change and i
> think that deserves reporting....
>
> on the insult about the carribean music....WLIB doing better
> than it did then ..and this lie was debunked....please at
> least get the talking points correct when somebody tells
> you what to think next time
>
>
>
> > Big Deal, Air America is on the bottom in almost every
> > market. I guess they can now name montana to thier list of
>
> > failures. Even in New York (which is Highly Liberal) Is
> > almost at the bottom. The carribean music that it replaced
>
> > did better.
> >
>
I think you better check you records sir here is the ratings for WLIB
WLIB-AM Inner City Talk 1.4 1.2 1.2 1.2 1.3
Notice that the first entry is 1.4 caribean music and look at the latest figures (spring 2005) 1.3 if my mathmatics are correct it seems that now its a lower rating.
> document....mostly due to the current democratic revival in
> the west, Montana being one of the states that has trended
> democrat in recent times (Gov is Dem, legislature shifted
> Dem),...so that is actually big news...now here comes
> liberal radio to MOntana...its a bit of a sea change and i
> think that deserves reporting....
>
> on the insult about the carribean music....WLIB doing better
> than it did then ..and this lie was debunked....please at
> least get the talking points correct when somebody tells
> you what to think next time
>
>
>
> > Big Deal, Air America is on the bottom in almost every
> > market. I guess they can now name montana to thier list of
>
> > failures. Even in New York (which is Highly Liberal) Is
> > almost at the bottom. The carribean music that it replaced
>
> > did better.
> >
>
I think you better check you records sir here is the ratings for WLIB
WLIB-AM Inner City Talk 1.4 1.2 1.2 1.2 1.3
Notice that the first entry is 1.4 caribean music and look at the latest figures (spring 2005) 1.3 if my mathmatics are correct it seems that now its a lower rating.
D
doc9464
Guest
Im not going to get into a 12+ arguments....everyone knows that this is not the proper way to review success in radio....see i read, research for me, research for job, and try to stay informed....
you on the other hand depend on the VRMC/Echo Machine....Radio-Equalizer and the guy, Anderson, who wrote South Park Conservatives made this alleged but not-true point based only on 12+
A lot of people don't understand the radio business at all, and Mr. Anderson is clearly one of them. Someone provided this very accurate summary of Arbitron...so ill post it again.....
Heres the point...(again)
First, Arbitron releases very general ratings information on a delayed basis to media publications and other interested parties. That is what you see in those newspaper columns and other public sources. They provide a general ratings picture for the public, but are generally not very relevant for the industry. When you see off-site ratings, one has to be very careful how to interpret them, because it takes little effort to twist them into whatever you want. Arbitron sells ratings books to stations who subscribe to their service. It's very expensive and the important breakdown of ratings data is proprietary and copyrighted. You have to subscribe to get that data.
Ratings are done for one reason - setting advertising rates for both the network and local affiliates. That's all folks in the radio business really care about. If they're up, your station gets to increase ad rates and potentially attract new business. If they're flat, that means ad rates will probably stay the same. If they're down considerably, that means a station is going to be discounting ad rates or giving their clients some "make goods" which means extra ad time to make up for an audience that just wasn't there in the numbers promised.
> I think you better check you records sir here is the ratings
> for WLIB
> WLIB-AM Inner City Talk 1.4 1.2 1.2
> 1.2 1.3
>
> Notice that the first entry is 1.4 caribean music and look
> at the latest figures (spring 2005) 1.3 if my mathmatics are
> correct it seems that now its a lower rating.
>
you on the other hand depend on the VRMC/Echo Machine....Radio-Equalizer and the guy, Anderson, who wrote South Park Conservatives made this alleged but not-true point based only on 12+
A lot of people don't understand the radio business at all, and Mr. Anderson is clearly one of them. Someone provided this very accurate summary of Arbitron...so ill post it again.....
Heres the point...(again)
First, Arbitron releases very general ratings information on a delayed basis to media publications and other interested parties. That is what you see in those newspaper columns and other public sources. They provide a general ratings picture for the public, but are generally not very relevant for the industry. When you see off-site ratings, one has to be very careful how to interpret them, because it takes little effort to twist them into whatever you want. Arbitron sells ratings books to stations who subscribe to their service. It's very expensive and the important breakdown of ratings data is proprietary and copyrighted. You have to subscribe to get that data.
Ratings are done for one reason - setting advertising rates for both the network and local affiliates. That's all folks in the radio business really care about. If they're up, your station gets to increase ad rates and potentially attract new business. If they're flat, that means ad rates will probably stay the same. If they're down considerably, that means a station is going to be discounting ad rates or giving their clients some "make goods" which means extra ad time to make up for an audience that just wasn't there in the numbers promised.
> I think you better check you records sir here is the ratings
> for WLIB
> WLIB-AM Inner City Talk 1.4 1.2 1.2
> 1.2 1.3
>
> Notice that the first entry is 1.4 caribean music and look
> at the latest figures (spring 2005) 1.3 if my mathmatics are
> correct it seems that now its a lower rating.
>
>
> Big Deal, Air America is on the bottom in almost every
> market. I guess they can now name montana to thier list of
> failures. Even in New York (which is Highly Liberal) Is
> almost at the bottom. The carribean music that it replaced
> did better.
>
Sigh (again). I guess Clear Channel and other station owners desperately want to "fail," since they keep picking up Air America. As I said in an earlier post:
This has become something like a right-wing urban legend. The Air America station in New York is WLIB, which has a lousy signal and therefore will never have very good ratings. Since it changed formats there have been a couple of Arbitron books where its 12+ share was a tiny fraction of one percent lower than it had with its former format, but generally its shares have been as good or better than during its Caribbean music days. Not that there's anything wrong with a Caribbean format, since the number two radio station in New York has a tropical music format. And the current WLIB audience -- relatively affulent liberals -- is more desirable to advertisers than Caribbean immigrants.
Meanwhile, despite its lousy signal, WLIB has become the number two political talk station in New York in the demographic that advertisers really carry about -- 25 to 54. It beats 50,000 watt WOR (Bill O'Reilly and Michael Savage) in that demo and isn't that far behind 50,000 watt WABC (Limbaugh and Hannity) in 25-54.
As John Mainelli of the arch-conservative New York Post recently pointed out, in the 25 to 54 demo, WABC ranks #18, while WLIB ranks #22. That's in a market with more than 60 radio stations.
By the way, the latest Arbitrend shows that WABC has lost 29 percent of its overall audience since last fall, while WLIB has increased its overall audience by eight percent.
> Big Deal, Air America is on the bottom in almost every
> market. I guess they can now name montana to thier list of
> failures. Even in New York (which is Highly Liberal) Is
> almost at the bottom. The carribean music that it replaced
> did better.
>
Sigh (again). I guess Clear Channel and other station owners desperately want to "fail," since they keep picking up Air America. As I said in an earlier post:
This has become something like a right-wing urban legend. The Air America station in New York is WLIB, which has a lousy signal and therefore will never have very good ratings. Since it changed formats there have been a couple of Arbitron books where its 12+ share was a tiny fraction of one percent lower than it had with its former format, but generally its shares have been as good or better than during its Caribbean music days. Not that there's anything wrong with a Caribbean format, since the number two radio station in New York has a tropical music format. And the current WLIB audience -- relatively affulent liberals -- is more desirable to advertisers than Caribbean immigrants.
Meanwhile, despite its lousy signal, WLIB has become the number two political talk station in New York in the demographic that advertisers really carry about -- 25 to 54. It beats 50,000 watt WOR (Bill O'Reilly and Michael Savage) in that demo and isn't that far behind 50,000 watt WABC (Limbaugh and Hannity) in 25-54.
As John Mainelli of the arch-conservative New York Post recently pointed out, in the 25 to 54 demo, WABC ranks #18, while WLIB ranks #22. That's in a market with more than 60 radio stations.
By the way, the latest Arbitrend shows that WABC has lost 29 percent of its overall audience since last fall, while WLIB has increased its overall audience by eight percent.
"Big city jewish oriented liberalism"
> Air America's flavor
> of big city Jewish oriented liberalism may not find an
> audience in Missoula.
Ah, anti-Semitism rears its ugly head.
Kerry got more than 60 percent of the vote in Missoula County and he's one of those "big city Jewish-oriented liberals." In fact, two of Kerry's grandparents were Jewish (his grandfather changed his name from Kohn to Kerry).
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> Air America's flavor
> of big city Jewish oriented liberalism may not find an
> audience in Missoula.
Ah, anti-Semitism rears its ugly head.
Kerry got more than 60 percent of the vote in Missoula County and he's one of those "big city Jewish-oriented liberals." In fact, two of Kerry's grandparents were Jewish (his grandfather changed his name from Kohn to Kerry).
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Shame on you
Shame on you for even mentioning antisemitism, not every critique needs to be a race riot. I was saying simply that the small town agricultural sensibilities of Missoula residents may not relate to the loud fast talking sophisticated Jewish content of AAR.
If you had even read my post you would seen me recommend Doug Stephan, a down home conservative farmer who sounds more liberal each year.<P ID="signature">______________
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Shame on you for even mentioning antisemitism, not every critique needs to be a race riot. I was saying simply that the small town agricultural sensibilities of Missoula residents may not relate to the loud fast talking sophisticated Jewish content of AAR.
If you had even read my post you would seen me recommend Doug Stephan, a down home conservative farmer who sounds more liberal each year.<P ID="signature">______________
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No,Shame on YOU
> Shame on you for even mentioning antisemitism, not every
> critique needs to be a race riot. I was saying simply that
> the small town agricultural sensibilities of Missoula
> residents may not relate to the loud fast talking
> sophisticated Jewish content of AAR.
No, shame on you for labeling the content of AAR "Jewish." I don't know and don't care how many of the AAR hosts are Jewish, but they certainly are not all Jewish.
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> If you had even read my post you would seen me recommend
> Doug Stephan, a down home conservative farmer who sounds
> more liberal each year.
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I read your post. So what? As I said, more than 60 percent of Missoula voters voted for Kerry, who was far more "sophisticated" than his down home conservative opponent.
> Shame on you for even mentioning antisemitism, not every
> critique needs to be a race riot. I was saying simply that
> the small town agricultural sensibilities of Missoula
> residents may not relate to the loud fast talking
> sophisticated Jewish content of AAR.
No, shame on you for labeling the content of AAR "Jewish." I don't know and don't care how many of the AAR hosts are Jewish, but they certainly are not all Jewish.
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> If you had even read my post you would seen me recommend
> Doug Stephan, a down home conservative farmer who sounds
> more liberal each year.
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I read your post. So what? As I said, more than 60 percent of Missoula voters voted for Kerry, who was far more "sophisticated" than his down home conservative opponent.
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Gnarlodious
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You looking for work at Sixth Avenue? *DELETED*
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