Mr Haney says he wants to get in on this new fangled stuff called IBOC

[KB1OKL]

Yup, Mr Haney, THAT MR Haney being the shrewd man that he is wants to start an IBOC station in Hooterville, he says the area of the town is only one square mile so if he can scre......er... get enough money from Oliver Wendell Douglas to buy a 100 KW transmitter he may actually be able to cover the whole town with very few dropouts! Someone pointed out to him that it's big hurrah was about 15 years ago and it's been all downhill since then and practically no one knows what it is and actually very few people even knew what it was when it was first foist, er... started to be used by some stations and he scoffed and said: "Ha! Do you know who you're talking to here?" "I'm the guy who sold my goat to a city slicker and told him it was a unicorn and he believed me!" If I can sell a goat for $10,000.00 I can sucker a few people into listening to my new station and sell a little advertising at the same time."
He was then told that 99.9% of IBOC went into side channels that never made a penny for anyone and could usually count their listeners on two hands but he scoffed and said: "I can sell anything to anyone I want! Just remember, there's a sucker born every minute and plenty of people bought into it years ago and I'll get 'em to buy into here in Hooterville"
Mr Haney was also told that there were very few if any receivers still being made that could receive IBOC and he said well there's got to be someone selling them somewhere, maybe on ebay in the antiques section?" "Well I don't care, I'll just make some out of shoe boxes, it doesn't work anyway"
Mr Haney was chasing after Oliver's Lincoln in his horse drawn cart when he was last seen.

Stay Tuned.....

 

[davideduardo]

He was then told that 99.9% of IBOC went into side channels that never made a penny for anyone and could usually count their listeners on two hands

Please, give it a break. You are exaggerating by a country mile.

There maybe a hundred NPR or public stations using HD to do specialty music services like classical and jazz and some actually show in the ratings. But listener supported stations don't do things that are not productive.

There are hundreds more using an HD channel to originate ethnic programming. The producers manage to get their listeners to buy receivers and they make money.

And there are hundreds and hundreds of HD channels that have allowed translators to go on the air, providing interesting formats in many markets.

In my below #100 market, we have about 6 cases where HD-2 or HD-3 provides either added service or allows a translator. Several show in the ratings.

Analog AM stereo died on its own (well, it was first mortally wounded by one of the system providers), so let HD either survive or go away on its own.

 

[Kelly A]

What a weird post. KB, not David's...

 

[CTListener]

What a weird post. KB, not David's...

A bizarre piece of "Green Acres" (1960s sitcom) fan fiction authored by someone with an unhealthy obsession with seeing IBOC disappear, probably so he can listen to out-of-market and/or deep-fringe signals on adjacent frequencies.

 

[KB1OKL]

Please, give it a break. You are exaggerating by a country mile.

There maybe a hundred NPR or public stations using HD to do specialty music services like classical and jazz and some actually show in the ratings. But listener supported stations don't do things that are not productive.

There are hundreds more using an HD channel to originate ethnic programming. The producers manage to get their listeners to buy receivers and they make money.

And there are hundreds and hundreds of HD channels that have allowed translators to go on the air, providing interesting formats in many markets.

In my below #100 market, we have about 6 cases where HD-2 or HD-3 provides either added service or allows a translator. Several show in the ratings.

Analog AM stereo died on its own (well, it was first mortally wounded by one of the system providers), so let HD either survive or go away on its own.

OK, maybe 99.8%

 

[KB1OKL]

What a weird post. KB, not David's...

I would expect nothing else from someone who continually beats the dead horse that is IBOC.

 

[KB1OKL]

A bizarre piece of "Green Acres" (1960s sitcom) fan fiction authored by someone with an unhealthy obsession with seeing IBOC disappear, probably so he can listen to out-of-market and/or deep-fringe signals on adjacent frequencies.

See it disappear? 99+% of radio listeners and I'm being nice here have no idea it even exists after 15 years of trying to push this unwanted half baked "technology". I was just amazed after not coming here for years that this Specialty part of Radio Discussion still existed, I don't think I'M the one with an obsession.

 

[KB1OKL]

Lastly, are any of these sub channels making any money, are they selling any advertising time, independent of the main channel, you know the one that everyone listens to?

 

[TheBigA]

Lastly, are any of these sub channels making any money, are they selling any advertising time, independent of the main channel, you know the one that everyone listens to?

The question has been answered many times in this thread. As has been pointed out many times, FM didn't make money for over 30 years, until after the patent ran out. There are still a few years left in the HD patent. Ask those questions again after the patent runs out.

 

[frankberry]

User KB1OKL has been sent on a thirty day vacation due to his continuous bashing of IBOC ... even after being warned.

 

[landtuna]

I'm a bit confused. "Green Acres" was a TV sitcom. I wasn't aware it was even available on digital radio.

 

[davideduardo]

Lastly, are any of these sub channels making any money, are they selling any advertising time, independent of the main channel, you know the one that everyone listens to?

I have seen reports that a number of public stations that put music or specialized formats on the HD channels get identifiable additional donations with a very low cost.

Hundered are making money because the HD channel allows feeding a translator.

And lots more rent the HD channels to ethnic or specialty broadcasters.

 

[asugeorge1]

I miss Green Acres. One of the unfortunate victims of The “Rural Purge” at CBS in the early 70’s.

 

[Kelly A]

I'm a bit confused. "Green Acres" was a TV sitcom. I wasn't aware it was even available on digital radio.

KB10KL was just being a Troll. He started the thread as made-up tongue-in-cheek Green Acres reference to start bashing HD Radio again. He thought he was being funny and creative. Instead, it just came off as juvenile.

 

[channel99]

It reminded me of the episode where Eleanor the cow swallowed Ebb's portable radio when he was trying to win an on-air contest...

(And yes - that was a real episode.)

 

[kenglish]

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Analog AM stereo died on its own (well, it was first mortally wounded by one of the system providers), so let HD either survive or go away on its own.

AM Stereo's problem was mostly due to politics and the "Let the marketplace decide" attitude. Kahn had a good system, but didn't have the money or political clout to fight the big boys. It was much like the problem Philo Farnsworth had when he went up against RCA.
I remember getting a phone call (it may have even been collect) from Leonard one Saturday afternoon. He was calling from a motel in Florida, and sounded very dejected.
I had the KSL CE, John Dehnel call him back and chat.
Leonard died shortly after that. He was a good man who would never give up.
I saw the old Sony multi-standard receiver in the storage room on my last day at KSL. It had only recently been removed from it's prominent spot in front of the shop window, where it spent so many years waiting for AM Stereo to return.

 

[channel99]

AM Stereo's problem was mostly due to politics and the "Let the marketplace decide" attitude. Kahn had a good system, but didn't have the money or political clout to fight the big boys. It was much like the problem Philo Farnsworth had when he went up against RCA.
I remember getting a phone call (it may have even been collect) from Leonard one Saturday afternoon. He was calling from a motel in Florida, and sounded very dejected.
I had the KSL CE, John Dehnel call him back and chat.
Leonard died shortly after that. He was a good man who would never give up.
I saw the old Sony multi-standard receiver in the storage room on my last day at KSL. It had only recently been removed from it's prominent spot in front of the shop window, where it spent so many years waiting for AM Stereo to return.

Did you ever have the chance to test those systems? From what I have read the Magnavox, Motorola, and Harris systems were somewhat similar in design to each other, but the Kahn system was quite different. Do you think the Kahn system was the best?

 

[Kelly A]

AM Stereo's problem was mostly due to politics and the "Let the marketplace decide" attitude. Kahn had a good system, but didn't have the money or political clout to fight the big boys. It was much like the problem Philo Farnsworth had when he went up against RCA.

Not sure what your definition of "politics" is. The Commission decided on the Magnavox system. It wasn't until Leonard, then Motorola started filing lawsuits following the Magnavox announcement, that the Commission threw up their hands and said essentially: "Fine, we'll leave it up to the marketplace'. As mentioned in a previous thread; the problem was that the marketplace could care less about AM stereo. Music listeners had already moved to FM. A "good" system, wasn't good enough. One could argue, that all the AM stereo transmission systems were loaded with compromise. Kahn's included.

I remember getting a phone call (it may have even been collect) from Leonard one Saturday afternoon. He was calling from a motel in Florida, and sounded very dejected.
I had the KSL CE, John Dehnel call him back and chat.

Leonard Kahn was a very smart man when it comes to AM modulation, but a terrible business person, with equally terrible judgement. There were several opportunities along the way that Kahn could have sold his system to an actual manufacturer, then just sat back and collected royalties. Some manufacturers even offered to help Kahn with design and packaging to refine the system in an effort to make it ready for the marketplace, with Leonard retaining the ownership rights. In all cases along the road, Leonard rebuffed any and all offers of help. In fact, he not only rebuffed, but frequently lashed-out verbally and in writing, threatening to sue anyone who questioned his system or decisions.

I saw the old Sony multi-standard receiver in the storage room on my last day at KSL. It had only recently been removed from it's prominent spot in front of the shop window, where it spent so many years waiting for AM Stereo to return.

Even those Sony receivers were a compromise. Technically, they never were able to properly demodulate either ISB or QUAM systems.

 

[TheBigA]

Even those Sony receivers were a compromise. Technically, they never were able to properly demodulate either ISB or QUAM systems.

There were a lot of technological advancements happening around the same time, and the main takeaway for me was the limitations of the typical consumer. In addition to AM stereo, there was quadraphonic audio. Consumers weren't interested in either. They came together on FM stereo, and that's where they stopped, and they rode that wave as far as it took them.

 

[semoochie]

Did you ever have the chance to test those systems? From what I have read the Magnavox, Motorola, and Harris systems were somewhat similar in design to each other, but the Kahn system was quite different. Do you think the Kahn system was the best?

Kahn tested his system on XETRA - The Mighty 690, in the 70s. I could hear the station in Portland, after CBU left the air. If you tuned one radio slightly left of the center channel and the other, slightly right, you got stereo. I tried it once and thought at the time that it sounded like FM stereo, with the door closed.