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NAB Radio Show: HD coming in cell phones, iPods, eTablets and smart phones

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ElCheapo

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Did anyone happen to catch "The State of a Digital Union" on page 26 of the most recent Radio World?

I missed this session - but at the recent NAB Radio Show in Dallas, representatives of the "cartel" claimed all sorts of portable applications were on the way for HD Radio. They are working to reduce the size of the chipset and its power consumption.

And that's really surprising news - especially given everything I've read here claiming it can't be done. Imagine - subsequent generations of a chipset for use in a digital devices are going to get smaller and consume less power!

I like iBiquity's thinking - really outside the box!

And when they accomplish this most unlikely technological feat (c'mon - nobody else has ever pulled this off before after all) they plan to put HD Radio in cell phones and iPod like devices...

Amazing... Who woulda thunk it?
 
ElCheapo said:
Did anyone happen to catch "The State of a Digital Union" on page 26 of the most recent Radio World?

I missed this session - but at the recent NAB Radio Show in Dallas, representatives of the "cartel" claimed all sorts of portable applications were on the way for HD Radio. They are working to reduce the size of the chipset and its power consumption.

And that's really surprising news - especially given everything I've read here claiming it can't be done. Imagine - subsequent generations of a chipset for use in a digital devices are going to get smaller and consume less power!

I like iBiquity's thinking - really outside the box!

And when they accomplish this most unlikely technological feat (c'mon - nobody else has ever pulled this off before after all) they plan to put HD Radio in cell phones and iPod like devices...

Amazing... Who woulda thunk it?
What are the user benefits?
Very little over the air programming is local, live. Almost all of what's on the air is from CD's, recorded, or comes from elsewhere. Its all available as MP3's, podcasts, downloads, or internet streams.
So, who needs HD Radio in a cell phone or iPod?
Wouldn't you have to drag around a car battery in a wagon behind you to power the HD Radio part?
Cell phones already have weather, news, sports, navigation, WIFI (soon WIMAX) downloads, video, and just about anything else imaginable available. Most teckies who have an iPod, have a cell phone. The next step is to meld the two together into one easy to carry, compact, pocket sized unit.
 
ElCheapo said:
Did anyone happen to catch "The State of a Digital Union" on page 26 of the most recent Radio World?

I missed this session - but at the recent NAB Radio Show in Dallas, representatives of the "cartel" claimed all sorts of portable applications were on the way for HD Radio. They are working to reduce the size of the chipset and its power consumption.

And that's really surprising news - especially given everything I've read here claiming it can't be done. Imagine - subsequent generations of a chipset for use in a digital devices are going to get smaller and consume less power!

I like iBiquity's thinking - really outside the box!

And when they accomplish this most unlikely technological feat (c'mon - nobody else has ever pulled this off before after all) they plan to put HD Radio in cell phones and iPod like devices...

Amazing... Who woulda thunk it?

With Internet Radio already in some portable devices, and coming to many others, who is going to be interested in just receiving local stations, when thousands of world-wide stations are available throught Internet Radio. Clear Channel is already streaming its audio through cell phones. It is very evident that the general public is not interested in table-top HD Radio, so there is no reason to believe portable devices would generate further interest - and yes, the HD Radio Cartel promised that HD Radio would be out last Christmas, too ! :D
 
SUPERCASTER said:
What are the user benefits?
Very little over the air programming is local, live. Almost all of what's on the air is from CD's, recorded, or comes from elsewhere. Its all available as MP3's, podcasts, downloads, or internet streams.
So, who needs HD Radio in a cell phone or iPod?
Wouldn't you have to drag around a car battery in a wagon behind you to power the HD Radio part?
Cell phones already have weather, news, sports, navigation, WIFI (soon WIMAX) downloads, video, and just about anything else imaginable available. Most teckies who have an iPod, have a cell phone. The next step is to meld the two together into one easy to carry, compact, pocket sized unit.
User benefits?

Free expanded choice. Satellite radio isn't live for the most part (if at all - every "live" satellite channel I've ever heard sounded voicetracked at least) and none of it is local.

Satellite = money
Legal MP3 = money
Downloads = money
Internet streams = money

Car battery in a wagon = Very poor reading comprehension skills on your part.
 
ElCheapo said:
SUPERCASTER said:
What are the user benefits?
Very little over the air programming is local, live. Almost all of what's on the air is from CD's, recorded, or comes from elsewhere. Its all available as MP3's, podcasts, downloads, or internet streams.
So, who needs HD Radio in a cell phone or iPod?
Wouldn't you have to drag around a car battery in a wagon behind you to power the HD Radio part?
Cell phones already have weather, news, sports, navigation, WIFI (soon WIMAX) downloads, video, and just about anything else imaginable available. Most teckies who have an iPod, have a cell phone. The next step is to meld the two together into one easy to carry, compact, pocket sized unit.
User benefits?

Free expanded choice. Satellite radio isn't live for the most part (if at all - every "live" satellite channel I've ever heard sounded voicetracked at least) and none of it is local.

Satellite = money
Legal MP3 = money
Downloads = money
Internet streams = money

Car battery in a wagon = Very poor reading comprehension skills on your part.

HD Radio is not free - you pay the outrageous price up-front ! Expanded local choice - that's even, if one can get the HD channels ! There will be commercials, eventually, so you get more of the same, with worse audio quality, less mobility with table-top receivers that require dipole antennas, worse coverage, and a terrestrial marketplace that is already saturated with 13,500 stations ! You get, what you pay for , and no one is biting ! All these other exciting technologies are leaving HD Radio in their dust ! :D
 
700WLW said:
ElCheapo said:
SUPERCASTER said:
What are the user benefits?
Very little over the air programming is local, live. Almost all of what's on the air is from CD's, recorded, or comes from elsewhere. Its all available as MP3's, podcasts, downloads, or internet streams.
So, who needs HD Radio in a cell phone or iPod?
Wouldn't you have to drag around a car battery in a wagon behind you to power the HD Radio part?
Cell phones already have weather, news, sports, navigation, WIFI (soon WIMAX) downloads, video, and just about anything else imaginable available. Most teckies who have an iPod, have a cell phone. The next step is to meld the two together into one easy to carry, compact, pocket sized unit.
User benefits?

Free expanded choice. Satellite radio isn't live for the most part (if at all - every "live" satellite channel I've ever heard sounded voicetracked at least) and none of it is local.

Satellite = money
Legal MP3 = money
Downloads = money
Internet streams = money

Car battery in a wagon = Very poor reading comprehension skills on your part.

HD Radio is not free - you pay the outrageous price up-front ! Expanded local choice - that's even, if one can get the HD channels ! There will be commercials, eventually, so you get more of the same, with worse audio quality, less mobility with table-top receivers that require dipole antennas, worse coverage, and a terrestrial marketplace that is already saturated with 13,500 stations ! You get, what you pay for , and no one is biting ! All these other exciting technologies are leaving HD Radio in their dust ! :D

People in this forum have outrageously short memories and obviously love the word "outrageous."

How are you doing today? I'm outrageous... And you?

Anyway - it's new tech. Technology progressively becomes more affordable. If you're any kind of techie at all, you should know that.

Advertiser supported radio works. Clearly, the pay radio business model does not work.

I'm sorry HD Radio isn't being adopted at the pace you'd like to see. The "cartel" has stated 2009-2010 is going to be primetime for HD radio adoption and integration.

Hmmm... Since they are not expecting it to catch on until then, do you suppose that means all of the predictions here that say it's a complete failure because it hasn't been adopted yet could be a lot of hot air? :D The "cartel" isn't expecting HD to move the needle until 2009 at least.

You guys are going to look like a bunch of Chicken Littles.
 
ElCheapo said:
700WLW said:
ElCheapo said:
SUPERCASTER said:
What are the user benefits?
Very little over the air programming is local, live. Almost all of what's on the air is from CD's, recorded, or comes from elsewhere. Its all available as MP3's, podcasts, downloads, or internet streams.
So, who needs HD Radio in a cell phone or iPod?
Wouldn't you have to drag around a car battery in a wagon behind you to power the HD Radio part?
Cell phones already have weather, news, sports, navigation, WIFI (soon WIMAX) downloads, video, and just about anything else imaginable available. Most teckies who have an iPod, have a cell phone. The next step is to meld the two together into one easy to carry, compact, pocket sized unit.
User benefits?

Free expanded choice. Satellite radio isn't live for the most part (if at all - every "live" satellite channel I've ever heard sounded voicetracked at least) and none of it is local.

Satellite = money
Legal MP3 = money
Downloads = money
Internet streams = money

Car battery in a wagon = Very poor reading comprehension skills on your part.

HD Radio is not free - you pay the outrageous price up-front ! Expanded local choice - that's even, if one can get the HD channels ! There will be commercials, eventually, so you get more of the same, with worse audio quality, less mobility with table-top receivers that require dipole antennas, worse coverage, and a terrestrial marketplace that is already saturated with 13,500 stations ! You get, what you pay for , and no one is biting ! All these other exciting technologies are leaving HD Radio in their dust ! :D

People in this forum have outrageously short memories and obviously love the word "outrageous."

How are you doing today? I'm outrageous... And you?

Anyway - it's new tech. Technology progressively becomes more affordable. If you're any kind of techie at all, you should know that.

Advertiser supported radio works. Clearly, the pay radio business model does not work.

I'm sorry HD Radio isn't being adopted at the pace you'd like to see. The "cartel" has stated 2009-2010 is going to be primetime for HD radio adoption and integration.

Hmmm... Since they are not expecting it to catch on until then, do you suppose that means all of the predictions here that say it's a complete failure because it hasn't been adopted yet could be a lot of hot air? :D The "cartel" isn't expecting HD to move the needle until 2009 at least.

You guys are going to look like a bunch of Chicken Littles.
:D

The Satellite business model has brought in millions of subscribers. The HD Radio pace is exactly where we would like it to be - no public interest ! The Cartel also stated that HD Radio would be around last Christmas, too. Boy you just don't get it - as Mark Ramsey has stated:

"If They Build it, Will They Come ?"

http://www.hear2.com/2006/10/if_you_build_it.html
 
700WLW said:
The Satellite business model has brought in millions of subscribers. The HD Radio pace is exactly where we would like it to be - no public interest ! The Cartel also stated that HD Radio would be around last Christmas, too. Boy you just don't get it - as Mark Ramsey has stated:

"If They Build it, Will They Come ?"

http://www.hear2.com/2006/10/if_you_build_it.html

Yeah - satellite has brought in ones of millions of subscribers for each satcaster. Not exactly the adoption they were hoping for apparently, since they are both bleeding red ink.

Their attempts to generate more interest - like pulling Howard Stern and Opie & Anthony away from terrestrial radio have failed to generate sufficient return on investment and caused them to bleed more red ink.

HD Radio is available - and it's available now. Walk into most Radio Shack stores in most HD markets and you can buy an HD radio. As evidenced by your meltdown in reviews on their sites, you can also get HD at Circuit City, Tweeter, Crutchfield, etc. That apparently bugs you to no end!

As they predict, by 2009-2010 - I expect to be able to buy HD Radio just about anywhere and in many form factors.
 
ElCheapo said:
700WLW said:
The Satellite business model has brought in millions of subscribers. The HD Radio pace is exactly where we would like it to be - no public interest ! The Cartel also stated that HD Radio would be around last Christmas, too. Boy you just don't get it - as Mark Ramsey has stated:

"If They Build it, Will They Come ?"

http://www.hear2.com/2006/10/if_you_build_it.html

Yeah - satellite has brought in ones of millions of subscribers for each satcaster. Not exactly the adoption they were hoping for apparently, since they are both bleeding red ink.

Their attempts to generate more interest - like pulling Howard Stern and Opie & Anthony away from terrestrial radio have failed to generate sufficient return on investment and caused them to bleed more red ink.

HD Radio is available - and it's available now. Walk into most Radio Shack stores in most HD markets and you can buy an HD radio. As evidenced by your meltdown in reviews on their sites, you can also get HD at Circuit City, Tweeter, Crutchfield, etc. That apparently bugs you to no end!

As they predict, by 2009-2010 - I expect to be able to buy HD Radio just about anywhere and in many form factors.
:D

Funny, no HD radios in stores, yet, as the Cartel promised last year ! No HD radios in Radio Shack, Circuit City, or Best Buy, in my Wash., D.C. metro area, in Maryland ! I am glad you have enjoyed my reviews, because they have received many positive votes - anything I can do to keep this destructive "technology" from happening ! No HD Radio in any Christmas fliers, or fliers in Sunday's Washington Post ! More of your lies ! The HD Radio Big Rollout has been a complete joke and a failure ! :D
 
700WLW said:
Funny, no HD radios in stores, yet, as the Cartel promised last year ! No HD radios in Radio Shack, Circuit City, or Best Buy, in my Wash., D.C. metro area, in Maryland ! I am glad you have enjoyed my reviews, because they have received many positive votes - anything I can do to keep this destructive "technology" from happening ! No HD Radio in any Christmas fliers, or fliers in Sunday's Washington Post ! More of your lies ! The HD Radio Big Rollout has been a complete joke and a failure ! :D

Funny, I bought my Receptor at a Radio Shack in Fort Worth.

Maybe they're sold out in your area! :D

You really need to read Chicken Little.

The "cartel" doesn't expect the rollout to gain mainstream momentum until 2009. We've got over two years until then. Talk to me about failure in December 2009.
 
ElCheapo said:
700WLW said:
Funny, no HD radios in stores, yet, as the Cartel promised last year ! No HD radios in Radio Shack, Circuit City, or Best Buy, in my Wash., D.C. metro area, in Maryland ! I am glad you have enjoyed my reviews, because they have received many positive votes - anything I can do to keep this destructive "technology" from happening ! No HD Radio in any Christmas fliers, or fliers in Sunday's Washington Post ! More of your lies ! The HD Radio Big Rollout has been a complete joke and a failure ! :D

Funny, I bought my Receptor at a Radio Shack in Fort Worth.

Maybe they're sold out in your area! :D

You really need to read Chicken Little.

The "cartel" doesn't expect the rollout to gain mainstream momentum until 2009. We've got over two years until then. Talk to me about failure in December 2009.
:D

What a joke - sold out ! HD radios are not being stocked in-store - I called ! HD radios are not even being advertised in Best Buy's, RS's, or Circuit City's fliers ! :D
 
from today interesting information when you look at what harman has reported over the last couple of quarters funny thing is they never mention hd radio............they do mention everything elese......

and now the after market for equipment is being designed out of the sales process

Sound options surrounding auto owners
Carmakers are taking on aftermarket firms in the push to turn vehicles into home theaters

By David Sharos
Special to the Tribune
Published November 6, 2006


There's a battle brewing in the car industry these days, and it seems consumers could ultimately win the war.

Automakers are realizing the benefits of moving home audio and video systems into vehicles--systems that include CD and flip-screen DVD players, video games, surround-sound speakers and more. Carmakers across the quality spectrum are now offering sound systems developed in conjunction with electronics companies including Alpine, Eclipse, Bang & Olufsen, Bose and Pioneer--a maneuver clearly aimed at taking market share from the aftermarket companies. [EDIT]


Copyright © 2006, Chicago Tribune


[EDIT-post truncated because originating material is copyprotected. Unauthorized use of copyrighted content is in violation of Radio-Info's TOS.]



http://www.harmaninternational.com/A_REPORTS/2006/HII-2006.PDF

We expect sales to Chrysler to increase in future periods as we begin shipping infotainment systems to support new platforms during fiscal 2007 and accelerating in fiscal 2008.

to meet the needs of new infotainment system programs for automotive customers. These investments included construction of a factory in Missouri that began manufacturing systems for Chrysler in late fiscal 2006.

http://ce.seekingalpha.com/article/9811

some more information sounds like they have another new infotainment system for chrysler starting late 07
Hi.

Q - Chris Ceraso

A few items, first, I guess back to one of the original comments about the BMW program. Can you just give us a quick explanation of what exactly the technology is that you're bringing to market here, how it's different and what it offers to consumers?

A - Berine Girod

This is a rear seat entertainment device. Traditionally rear seat entertainment devices have been standalone. There's an award made for the head unit and the award for the rear seat entertainment might go to a totally different manufacturer. It's a different, an additional DVD player screen, totally different software, and usually not even hooked up to the front, to the head unit. With this technology, we can now link the head unit with the rear seat entertainment, reduce the number of hardware devices, have full communication between front and rear seats, like you can display navigation, for example, in the rear seat. So make for some excellent back seat drivers. And you can play cartoons on the display in the front unit while you drive.

A - Sidney Harman

Let me just add that this dual core operation that we referred to has particular consequence in the whole area of latency. This stuff is immediate. It's real-time. That's not the state-of-the-art today. It will become state-of-the-art with this BMW system. And it is one software system. So the whole system is compatible, all the commands are compatible. So it reduces costs. It increases functionality. It's a very nice piece of technology.

Q - Chris Ceraso

Great. One other conceptual question. You mentioned, Dr. Harman, that QNX is proliferating across different makes. Would that include, I guess this ties into your previous comments about Toyota. Do you see down the road, Japanese makes adopting that operating system as well?

first quarter of fiscal 07 http://seekingalpha.com/article/19259

Sidney Harman

I am saying that absolutely and I'm saying that there is an interesting parallel here, Scott. You will remember that this infotainment business was really in affect invented on the basis that originally there existed a number of relatively small companies doing just pieces of this work. The particular facilities that this company brought to that work at the time was the bringing into house of the many areas of technology that in total represent an infotainment system. But more important than that, the particular – the peculiar ability to integrate them to make them whole and debug the systems.

When this additional layer of driver assistance and pedestrian safety is built into the systems, the need to make those systems compatible with all the other electronic systems in the car gets to be crucially important. Our experience, the first time around, in bringing together and integrating those many functions which were if you will, multimedia functions, audio functions, video functions and the like is going to be duplicated as we bring additional processes such as the kind of camera and processing units that I referred to in my original set of observations, integrating all of that into a single comprehensive system is going to be our big future opportunity and we're getting ready to do it.

Scot Ciccarelli - RBC Capital Markets

All right, so this is something that you guys have been working on for a while and unveiling it to the investment community at this point. Is that the right way to interpret it?

Bernard A. Girod

We've been working on it for awhile and we’ve made some reference to it before. We'll make continues reference because it takes years for this kind of work to fully develop, but we're at it
 
ElCheapo said:
[As they predict, by 2009-2010 - I expect to be able to buy HD Radio just about anywhere and in many form factors.

That is a very long tunnel to go through without seeing the light of day. By 2009 or 2010, assuming it is with us at all, HD will just be one of many technologies that will be competing for listeners and/or viewers. Choices for content delivery are getting larger, not smaller and they are doing so at a very rapid pace. By 2010, who knows what else will be on the horizon? All I see this doing is diluting the audience. That will make selling radio as a medium, even harder.
 
Some technology has been pushed for years in cars and they finally gave up.

The Auto-tronic eye, intended to automatically dim one's high beams was available at least as early as 1955, and automakers continued for years and years trying to make a system smart enough to recognize oncoming headlights. It was never dependable, and they may finally have given up. Another was rain sensors to turn on the wipers automatically, Ha Ha Ha.
Let's be content to realize that water runs downhill all on its own, and any technology designed to circumvent this without the use of pumps, pipes, or evaporation is purest folly.
 
ElCheapo wrote: "Walk into most Radio Shack stores in most HD markets and you can buy an HD radio."

I finally found a Radio Shack store with an Accurian HD radio in stock!

It (just one radio) was placed on the bottom shelf barely off the floor. It was plugged in for power, but had no antenna attached whatsoever. No reception of anything! Are you deaf yet? Totally! Immediately to the right was their huge Sirius display full of working radios blaring loud music. The salesman said I should really check out the Sirius radios. And HD radio cartel stations are foolishly giving away millions in free advertising for this bait-and-switch!
 
ElCheapo said:
The "cartel" doesn't expect the rollout to gain mainstream momentum until 2009. We've got over two years until then. Talk to me about failure in December 2009.
Good! Since there are no listeners, no interest, and almost no HD Radio's, broadcasters should turn off the expensive, wasteful, jamming iBuzz until then. By December 2009, HD Radio will all be remembered as just another bad dream (nightmare).
 
ElCheapo said:
SUPERCASTER said:
What are the user benefits?
Very little over the air programming is local, live. Almost all of what's on the air is from CD's, recorded, or comes from elsewhere. Its all available as MP3's, podcasts, downloads, or internet streams.
So, who needs HD Radio in a cell phone or iPod?
Wouldn't you have to drag around a car battery in a wagon behind you to power the HD Radio part?
Cell phones already have weather, news, sports, navigation, WIFI (soon WIMAX) downloads, video, and just about anything else imaginable available. Most teckies who have an iPod, have a cell phone. The next step is to meld the two together into one easy to carry, compact, pocket sized unit.
User benefits?

Free expanded choice. Satellite radio isn't live for the most part (if at all - every "live" satellite channel I've ever heard sounded voicetracked at least) and none of it is local.

Satellite = money
Legal MP3 = money
Downloads = money
Internet streams = money

Car battery in a wagon = Very poor reading comprehension skills on your part.
You forgot the most important one:
HD Radio= Money, jamming, poor coverage, poor quality, proprietary fees, extra external antennas, reception problems, and huge mountains of false hype.
My reading comprehension is excellent, far above yours.
Excessive battery consumption is the main problem preventing manufacture of portable HD Radios. What part of that don't you understand?
Now in the 4th year of the HD Radio rollout, HD Radio continues to sell more satellite radios, iPods, and MP3 players then HD Radios!

From vsa:
I finally found a Radio Shack store with an Accurian HD radio in stock!

It (just one radio) was placed on the bottom shelf barely off the floor. It was plugged in for power, but had no antenna attached whatsoever. No reception of anything! Are you deaf yet? Totally! Immediately to the right was their huge Sirius display full of working radios blaring loud music. The salesman said I should really check out the Sirius radios. And HD radio cartel stations are foolishly giving away millions in free advertising for this bait-and-switch!
 
ElCheapo said:
700WLW said:
Funny, no HD radios in stores, yet, as the Cartel promised last year ! No HD radios in Radio Shack, Circuit City, or Best Buy, in my Wash., D.C. metro area, in Maryland ! I am glad you have enjoyed my reviews, because they have received many positive votes - anything I can do to keep this destructive "technology" from happening ! No HD Radio in any Christmas fliers, or fliers in Sunday's Washington Post ! More of your lies ! The HD Radio Big Rollout has been a complete joke and a failure ! :D

Funny, I bought my Receptor at a Radio Shack in Fort Worth.

Maybe they're sold out in your area! :D

You really need to read Chicken Little.

The "cartel" doesn't expect the rollout to gain mainstream momentum until 2009. We've got over two years until then. Talk to me about failure in December 2009.

No, HD Radio investors have been waiting 7 years for a payback (iBiquity is two years late) and iBiquity is running out of time, and that was last year:

"IBiquity Digital's Make-or-Break Point Approaches"

"When you consider that the "investment horizon" of most venture capitalists for cashing out of a given investment is five years, at the maximum, iBiquity has required more than the usual amount of patience."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A58846-2005Feb27.html

From Mark Ramsey: "The campaign, which has been running in phases since April, will have likely burned through most of its dollar value once 2007 rolls around."
 
700WLW said:
From Mark Ramsey: "The campaign, which has been running in phases since April, will have likely burned through most of its dollar value once 2007 rolls around."

You sure quote this Mark Ramsey guy a lot. Honestly - who gives a ****?

I'd rather quote the Mays brothers, or the Dickey brothers or SOMEBODY who has some modicum of control over where the industry goes instead of a radio pundit with a blog. ANYONE could do that.
 
ElCheapo said:
700WLW said:
From Mark Ramsey: "The campaign, which has been running in phases since April, will have likely burned through most of its dollar value once 2007 rolls around."

You sure quote this Mark Ramsey guy a lot. Honestly - who gives a ****?

I'd rather quote the Mays brothers, or the Dickey brothers or SOMEBODY who has some modicum of control over where the industry goes instead of a radio pundit with a blog. ANYONE could do that.
:D
 
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