Nassau-Suffolk (Long Island) Radio Ratings: October 2023

[pjc1961]

Covering the survey period from Thu. 9/14/2023 thru Wed. 10/11/2023, age 6+ overall (revised on Tue. 10/31/2023):

Nassau/Suffolk (Long Island)

Nielsen Audio PPM Monthly Ratings Nassau/Suffolk (Long Island) NY (Market #21) Population: 2,528,900 Black: 255,000 – Hispanic: 521,700 Average Quarter Hour Share for Persons 6+, Mon-Sun 6AM-Mid All ratings are Copyright © 2005-2024 The Nielsen Company. All rights reserved. Nielsen radio...

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[JackindaBox]

How is WLTW and WHTZ doing in Long Island?

 

[Weiserguy]

How is WLTW and WHTZ doing in Long Island?

Long Island's a big place. The east end is as far east as the Connecticut-Rhode Island border. FM signals from Empire State Bldg get out about halfway, into western Suffolk County, and Lite and Z-100 both do well in that half (which is where the bulk of the population is anyway). Once you're east of there, where the NYC signals start fading or crashing into other stations, then they do less well. By the time you're in or east of Riverhead, fuggedaboutit, you're either listening to East End stations or Connecticut ones.

 

[pjc1961]

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25-54: 1. WBAB 2. WHTZ 3. WCBS-FM 4. WBLI 5. WLTW
18-34: 1. WBLI 3. WBAB (up from #5) 3. WLTW 4. WHTZ 5. WSKQ (up from #15)
_______ 6T. WKJY (up from #11) 6T. WCBS-FM 8T. WBZO (down from #4) 8T. WEPN
18-49: 1. WHTZ 2. WBLI 3T. WBAB 3T. WCBS-FM 5. WLTW (down from #2)

 

[JackindaBox]

I think eventually they stop working for sure.

 

[CentralFL]

Great improvement for WBLI.

 

[Steve Green NEPA]

@Weiserguy
Re that CT reception 'out east', Neil : true as the sun rising on Sunrise Highway..
Back before the PPM days it was interesting to see the number of Connecticut stations that showed in the 120-mile long Nassau-Suffolk ratings. Coming to mind are FMers WPLR New Haven, WEZN and WEBE Bridgeport and far-inland WDRC Hartford. Those stations were a good deal of bulk *it* for listeners out that way.
The recall here is of AM's WICC doing like a .4 once ; that signal got well into Westchester and the Bronx.

https://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/p... Hampton Bays, WRIV 1390, and Country WJVC.

 

[Steve Green NEPA]

Oops. Bad editing on my part. Half the post got Xed.

 

[Steve Green NEPA]

..... was recalling that a lot more L.I. stations also made their own 'book' in the Diary days. At times, WPAC 1580, WRIV, WLNG 1600, WGBB 1240, WGLI 1290, 740 Huntington, 540 Islip, the Country WJVC, WRCN and WWHB Hampton Bays made appearances. And making the NYC Metro list most times were WHLI, WALK and WBLI.
Heard 'way out East' during their days of playing the Standards was super-directional WVNJ 1160 from NEW JERSEY, aiming its 20,000-watt main beam as close as possible to Midtown Manhattan and blazing down the Sound to Orient and Montauk Points. And reciprocally, daily, WLNG Sag Harbor's tiny 500-watt daytimer culture-swapped west on the Sound to come ashore at Mamaroneck, Rye and Larchmont -- almost to the Bronx -- in the void of co-channel WWRL's signal that way.
Of course, the SOUTH shore had its moments, too, Neil ; your almost-namesake DJ The Vieser of WGBB, along with others, maintains that one of the more notable transistor stations heard on Jones Beach, in Captree and Robert Moses places was 1340 WMID Atlantic City. Dave had nightly listeners in the unlikely venue of Brooklyn despite WGBB getting fuzzy inland at the old Valley Stream Toll Booth. 'GBB would instead sail across Jamaica Bay and re-emerge as a local for kids parked at Canarsie Pier and Sheepshead Bay.
Long Island is so, well .... long that some years back it even mandated a Riverhead-Hamptons survey book to illuminate the choices of the isolated but distinct culture of that East End.

 

[davideduardo]

Long Island is so, well .... long that some years back it even mandated a Riverhead-Hamptons survey book to illuminate the choices of the isolated but distinct culture of that East End.

The "East End" book was just a break-out of the Nassau/Suffolk market embedded in the total New York City market. That East End book was created to satisfy a few stations in that area that needed local data because agencies were not buying the far eastern zone thinking that the other Long Island stations all did well there,

This is the only case where an embedded market (Nassau Suffolk) had an embedded market. When the PPM rolled out, the cost of t that embedded market was too great for any of the stations out there to pay, and it was cancelled.

 

[Alex Browne]

one of the more notable transistor stations heard on Jones Beach, in Captree and Robert Moses places was 1340 WMID Atlantic City.

As a teenager never separated from my transistor at Jones Beach in the late 1960s, I can confirm that. WMID came in just like a local station at the beach.

 

[radio128]

WLNG Sag Harbor's tiny 500-watt daytimer culture-swapped west on the Sound to come ashore at Mamaroneck, Rye and Larchmont -- almost to the Bronx -- in the void of co-channel WWRL's signal that way.

I spent the weekend in Scarsdale in 1976. I thought it was very unusual that WWRL was playing The Four Seasons, The Walker Bros., and Petula Clark with WABC like Pams jingles. Then I realized I was not listening to WWRL.

 

[Marcos_C]

I spent the weekend in Scarsdale in 1976. I thought it was very unusual that WWRL was playing The Four Seasons, The Walker Bros., and Petula Clark with WABC like Pams jingles. Then I realized I was not listening to WWRL.

That would be WLNG before they sold their AM station to WWRL in 1996.

 

[Steve Green NEPA]

Apologies for perhaps belaboring things here, but there were two other instances of broadcast culture clashes regarding Long Island's 'East End'.
1. Many years ago, B.C. -- before cable -- the two clearest television signals East of Patchogue* were WNHC Channel 8 (ABC) New Haven and WTIC Channel 8 (CBS) from Hartford**. (I don't remember seeing any mention about Rhode Island's/New Bedford Mass.'s iconic Channel 6, though others here may have.)
2. Two AM stations in the Greater Long Island Sound Metro had construction permits back in, if memory serves, the early '70's. A later one was for 1150 in Oyster Bay ; they never went through with it.
An earlier one that, to my knowledge never signed on, was for 1590 in Port Chester NY, about 30 feet from Greenwich Connecticut and right on Long Island Sound. Frazzled AARP recalls here had them apply as 'WNJZ' and that the big-signalled, directional WBRY 1590 Waterbury was still broadcasting. Either way, WBRY or no WBRY, someone confident that 1600's WWRL sent no signal northeast applied for 1590 -- a distance not even 30 miles away from WWRL's four towers. And even earlier on the OTHER side of WWRL's pattern straight down Flatbush Avenue, WERA Plainfield NJ existed for years, and with a better signal into Staten Island -- one of the Five NYC boroughs-- than WWRL had.

* Patchogue, on the South Shore, is considered to be the actual, major-village geographic center of Long Island -- the last outpost in NYC''s reach. East of there for 20 miles is pine barrens, then the Hamptons pop up as the next commerce and society.

** A DXing pal's dad owned an electronic repair shop in Queens. One year he sold several dozens of UFO-sized TV antennas tuned to Channel 3 to people who were told to swivel and aim them northeast to see blacked-out NYC football games off CBS's Channel 3 Hartford.

 

[Weiserguy]

1. Many years ago, B.C. -- before cable -- the two clearest television signals East of Patchogue* were WNHC Channel 8 (ABC) New Haven and WTIC Channel 8 (CBS) from Hartford**. (I don't remember seeing any mention about Rhode Island's/New Bedford Mass.'s iconic Channel 6, though others here may have.)

One of those was on channel 8, but the other was channel 3. I can no longer remember which was which. Also, I recall once pulling in a Providence station on channel 12, probably because of e-skip. This was either from Valley Stream or the Bronx (where the grandparents lived), but it's so long ago I couldn't even peg the year, other than 50's or 60's. It was literally a once-in-a-lifetime phenomenon.

An earlier one that, to my knowledge never signed on, was for 1590 in Port Chester NY, about 30 feet from Greenwich Connecticut and right on Long Island Sound. Frazzled AARP recalls here had them apply as 'WNJZ' and that the big-signalled, directional WBRY 1590 Waterbury was still broadcasting. Either way, WBRY or no WBRY, someone confident that 1600's WWRL sent no signal northeast applied for 1590 -- a distance not even 30 miles away from WWRL's four towers. And even earlier on the OTHER side of WWRL's pattern straight down Flatbush Avenue, WERA Plainfield NJ existed for years, and with a better signal into Staten Island -- one of the Five NYC boroughs-- than WWRL had.

I used to work about 30 feet from the other side of the Greenwich-Port Chester border (in Byram), and that area was, without a doubt, in the NYC signal area. Virtually every NYC or Nassau County based station was receivable there in Greenwich, almost on top of the Sound. So the idea this yutz thought he could get a CP for 1590 in the shadow of WWRL's 5Kw on 1600 is absurd. That's why there's a licensing process, to weed out harebrained ideas like that.

* Patchogue, on the South Shore, is considered to be the actual, major-village geographic center of Long Island -- the last outpost in NYC''s reach. East of there for 20 miles is pine barrens, then the Hamptons pop up as the next commerce and society.

If you haven't been out there for some years, it's worth a visit. My wife and I went out to the East End last year after some family "business" (as in cemetery visits). It's astounding how much of Suffolk is now fully developed. We stayed in Wading River, where I used to visit Boy Scout camp as a kid, and that village is now largely developed. There are virtually no more pine barons, no more truck farms, no more potato fields. The only place you find that small-town feel anymore is on the North Fork. The South Fork is The Hamptons, Sag Harbor (home to WLNG), and Montauk, and that area was so busy it took over an hour to reach the nearest highway on that particular Friday afternoon, worse than trying to make the Midtown Tunnel-to-Flushing Meadows trip on the LIE.

Apologies to the 3 other readers in this thread who undoubtedly won't give a crap about any of this.