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NBC ADDS 4 LP AFFILIATES (DOTHAN-AL, JONESBORO-AK, JACKSON-TN, IA-MO)
- Thread starter gregg75
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It's close to a year later. Is there still nothing new on these stations?
The Dothan/Panama City thing reminds me of Wilmington, NC/
Florence-Myrtle Beach, SC. For years the Florence end of that
market got WIS Columbia for NBC, while Myrtle Beach got WECT
Wilmington (both markets had ABC: WPDE Florence and WWAY
Wilmington). The Wilmington market had CBS from WBTW Florence
or WNCT Greenville/New Bern/Washington, NC (or, perhaps, WRAL
Raleigh). Then Wilmington got its own low-power CBS station, WILM Ch. 10,
(although it serves only two counties: New Hanover, where Wilmington is,
and Brunswick), while Florence-Myrtle Beach got its own NBC affiliate,
WMBF, which has been digital channel 32 since it signed on in 2008. Say
bye-bye to WIS and WECT. (Wilmington has never been considered part
of Greenville-New Bern-Washington or Raleigh-Durham, although I think there
have been times in the distant past when people thought of Wilmington and
Florence-Myrtle Beach as one market.)
Bottom line: (1) With the loss of the Wilmington and Columbia stations
in Florence-Myrtle Beach, there is no question that Wilmington and Florence-
Myrtle Beach are two separate markets. Each market has its own ABC, CBS,
Fox, and NBC affiliate. (2) When does Panama City get
its own CBS affiliate, eliminating the last link with Dothan? (ABC, NBC, and Fox
are, with an LP NBC affiliate in Dothan, represented in the two markets by
separate stations; only WTVY (CBS) is a de facto affiliate for both.)
Florence-Myrtle Beach, SC. For years the Florence end of that
market got WIS Columbia for NBC, while Myrtle Beach got WECT
Wilmington (both markets had ABC: WPDE Florence and WWAY
Wilmington). The Wilmington market had CBS from WBTW Florence
or WNCT Greenville/New Bern/Washington, NC (or, perhaps, WRAL
Raleigh). Then Wilmington got its own low-power CBS station, WILM Ch. 10,
(although it serves only two counties: New Hanover, where Wilmington is,
and Brunswick), while Florence-Myrtle Beach got its own NBC affiliate,
WMBF, which has been digital channel 32 since it signed on in 2008. Say
bye-bye to WIS and WECT. (Wilmington has never been considered part
of Greenville-New Bern-Washington or Raleigh-Durham, although I think there
have been times in the distant past when people thought of Wilmington and
Florence-Myrtle Beach as one market.)
Bottom line: (1) With the loss of the Wilmington and Columbia stations
in Florence-Myrtle Beach, there is no question that Wilmington and Florence-
Myrtle Beach are two separate markets. Each market has its own ABC, CBS,
Fox, and NBC affiliate. (2) When does Panama City get
its own CBS affiliate, eliminating the last link with Dothan? (ABC, NBC, and Fox
are, with an LP NBC affiliate in Dothan, represented in the two markets by
separate stations; only WTVY (CBS) is a de facto affiliate for both.)
bpatrick said:
Until about a decade ago, Palm Springs, California was in that same situation; for many years, it was a two-station town, with KMIR (36-NBC) and KESQ (42-ABC), with KVER (4-Univision) signing-on in the early '90s. All other programming (network or otherwise) came from Los Angeles via cable, and KPSP became the area's CBS affiliate in September 2002; it was previously a home shopping channel. KPSP was bought by KESQ's owners, News-Press & Gazette Company, in January, shut down its stand-alone transmitter, and currently transmits from KESQ's subchannel lineup.
Currently, you have two companies controlling the major programming outlets in the market; KESQ/NPG has ABC, CBS, Fox, Telemundo, and The CW, while Journal Broadcasting's KMIR has NBC and MyNetworkTV.
bpatrick said:
Florence/MYB has always been it's own market. Wilmington never has been part of that market.
I wonder if Comcast is the cable operator in these four new LP markets? That would make life a lot easier for these upstarts.
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anotherguy said:
The 'new' Dothan, AL NBC station is still not on the air. And frankly, I don't think it ever will be--a competent company would have moved much faster than this. For Pete's sake, WDON-LP still isn't a digital license!
EDIT: Looky what I found on a media brokerage site. WDON is apparently for sale. Good luck with that, April 2013 expiring license.
http://goo.gl/foTqi
upstate29651 said:
True about Florence/Myrtle Beach and Wilmington. However, some people may have thought the two markets were one because (1) WWAY served as the de facto ABC affiliate in Myrtle Beach before WPDE signed on in 1981; (2) WECT was the de facto NBC affiliate in Myrtle Beach (although Time Warner Cable also brought in WIS) before WMBF signed on in 2008. Today, there's no question about the two markets being separate because, as I mentioned earlier, each has its own ABC, CBS, Fox, and NBC affiliates. As for Dothan/Panama City I always thought WSFA Montgomery was actually the de facto NBC affiliate for Dothan.
The one I've never figured out is why Lake Charles/Lafayette, LA never merged, making KPLC the NBC affiliate for the entire area; isn't it the de facto NBC affiliate for Lafayette anyway?
In the Kirksville, MO/Ottumwa, IA case, I think it would be better to place a translator of WGEM (NBC) Quincy, IL in or near the Kirksville area for the Missouri counties in the market, and convert (if it still exists) the analog translator for WHO Des Moines that has been in Ottumwa for years.
Mark said:
That Albany NBC affiliate used to be the primary NBC for Tallahassee, FL. You could put a transmitter half way between Albany and Dothan (see WGEX-FM 97.3) but then the Albany stations would loose coverage of Valdosta, GA. I know Valdosta is technically in the Tallahassee DMA but with Gray being the 800 pound gorilla in that part of the country they are trying to shift Georgia viewers over to Albany television affiliates. Valdosta's TV station (WSWG?) is the CBS affiliate for Albany now-a-days even though the OTA signal doesn't cover the market.
Dothan has always been fine with their setup... A big ass CBS affiliate covering multiple markets, a homey small town ABC affiliate with a much bigger signal than you would expect, NBC from the State capital of Montgomery (and depending on your location in the market, OTA coverage from Panama City or Albany too) and a dinky little Fox affiliate.
As for the new LP Panama City CBS affiliate taking the place of WTVY from Dothan.... it just happens to also be owned by Gray... so Panama City's new affiliate is owned by the same company that owns the old out of market CBS, WTVY. Nothing changes except for a new OTA LP signal in Bay County, FL.
If I'm correct WALB, the NBC affiliate in Albany, GA, now carries
ABC on a digital subchannel; previously Atlanta's WSB served as
de facto ABC affiliate for that market. WSWG, I believe, serves
as Albany's CBS affiliate.
Gainesville, FL, has also basically divorced itself from Jacksonville
and Daytona Beach; it has an NBC affiliate on digital channel 9,
WCJB (ABC), and WGFL (CBS). I'm not sure if Gainesville gets the
Ocala Fox affiliate.
ABC on a digital subchannel; previously Atlanta's WSB served as
de facto ABC affiliate for that market. WSWG, I believe, serves
as Albany's CBS affiliate.
Gainesville, FL, has also basically divorced itself from Jacksonville
and Daytona Beach; it has an NBC affiliate on digital channel 9,
WCJB (ABC), and WGFL (CBS). I'm not sure if Gainesville gets the
Ocala Fox affiliate.
bpatrick said:
They do.
As for the CBS affiliation: WGFL wasted no time in affiliating with CBS when Jax affiliate WJXT (which for many decades was the de facto CBS affiliate for Gainesville) dropped CBS. They even took the cable slot in the Gainesville market. WJXT is still available on cable in Gainesville, though.
poledo said:
Though I imagine there are some programming variations, as some of the syndicated programs seen on WTVY are also seen on the Panama City stations (WJHG, WMBB and WPGX). As the new CBS station is based in Panama City, they had to buy their own programs without stepping on anyone's toes.
JayR said:
I believe WOGX was set up to serve both Ocala and Gainesville -- don't know if they still do, but they also had offices in Gainesville, just north of University of Florida.
KML-224 said:
Doesn't the cable systems in the Dothan area also get WSFA Montgomery? I imagine both stations fighting over Dothan for coverage.
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