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New channel lineup as of Tuesday March 14th

Here's the new channel lineup.

Looks like Sirius Advice is getting the axe, if I'm not mistaken.

102 - SIRIUS Stars (moving from 103)
103 - Blue Collar Comedy
111 - Cosmo Radio
117 - WSM Radio / Grand Ole Opry (moving from 111)
129 - CNBC (moving from 130)
130 - Bloomberg Radio (moving from 131)
131 - Fox News Channel (TV)
145 - Fox News Talk (Radio)
147 - Road Dog Trucking (renamed from SIRIUS Trucker)
198 - Playboy Radio (opt-in offering at no additional cost)

This according to www.siriusbackstage.com

http://www.siriusbackstage.com/

http://www.siriusbackstage.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=39827
 
> 129 - CNBC (moving from 130)

> 131 - Fox News Channel (TV)


Is there really any need for devoting whole channels to just play the audio feed from the above (or any) cable TV networks? Sirius might as well broadcast the audio from "The Golf Channel", it would have just as many fans. Really, who listens to Fox News Channel's "O'Reilly Factor"? He's already got an actual radio show any way. My $0.02: Get rid of all these TV audio channels and hire some broadcasters to do original programming. There's plenty of inexpensive talent out there, just ask any of the cheapskate small and medium market terrestrial radio stations throughout the country.
 
> > 129 - CNBC (moving from 130)
>
> > 131 - Fox News Channel (TV)
>
>
> Is there really any need for devoting whole channels to just
> play the audio feed from the above (or any) cable TV
> networks? Sirius might as well broadcast the audio from "The
> Golf Channel", it would have just as many fans. Really, who
> listens to Fox News Channel's "O'Reilly Factor"? He's
> already got an actual radio show any way. My $0.02: Get rid
> of all these TV audio channels and hire some broadcasters to
> do original programming. There's plenty of inexpensive
> talent out there, just ask any of the cheapskate small and
> medium market terrestrial radio stations throughout the
> country.
>
> Sorry, while you may see no need for FNC, it is one of the most listened to channels on Sirius & XM. What you are doing is broadcasting cable tv's #1 news channel on sat radio- and its very popular. In case you havent seen or heard about the uproar it cuased when Fox was temporarily removed at the end of 2005, it cause a huge backlash for having Fox News put back on, and it since then has.
 
> Sorry, while you may see no need for FNC, it is one of
> the most listened to channels on Sirius & XM. What you
> are doing is broadcasting cable tv's #1 news channel on sat
> radio- and its very popular.


What data are you basing your claim that the audio from TV's Fox News Channel is one of the most listened to on Sirius and XM? Of course it's very popular on cable TV...but on radio? There's only one word to describe your position: WRONG.


> In case you havent seen or
> heard about the uproar it cuased when Fox was temporarily
> removed at the end of 2005, it cause a huge backlash for
> having Fox News put back on, and it since then has.


Wrong again. You are confusing "Fox News Channel" (the cable TV network) with "Fox News Talk", which is DESIGNED FOR RADIO. Fox News Talk, for example, carries Alan Comes' call-in radio show, as opposed to Fox News Channel, which carries "Hannity and Colmes" TV show. Fox News Talk was temporarily off Sirius and is coming back, but this has nothing to do with a totally different channel broadcasting the audio from Fox News Channel which is designed for TV.
 
Re: What about the rest of the canadian channels

Rumor has it according wwww.getsiriusinfo.blogspot.com that the rest of the canadian channels will be added next week or year. Sirius hasn't mentioned anything about adding them so I guess not. If they are added I hope that you can get them above Ch. 184 without a new radio with a chipset as I've read here and Sirius Backstage.
 
> > 129 - CNBC (moving from 130)
>
> > 131 - Fox News Channel (TV)
>
>
> Is there really any need for devoting whole channels to just
> play the audio feed from the above (or any) cable TV
> networks? Sirius might as well broadcast the audio from "The
> Golf Channel", it would have as many fans.

I don't know about you, but I can't watch cable TV in my car, or any place I usually take my Sirius boombox. I really enjoy having the cable news channels available while I'm driving and I listen regularly. That said, I see no problem using these channels for evening sports after about 9 p-m when the rush hour is over on the West Coast and most fans of these channels are home.
 
> > 129 - CNBC (moving from 130)
>
> > 131 - Fox News Channel (TV)
>
>
> Is there really any need for devoting whole channels to just
> play the audio feed from the above (or any) cable TV
> networks? Sirius might as well broadcast the audio from "The
> Golf Channel", it would have just as many fans. Really, who
> listens to Fox News Channel's "O'Reilly Factor"? He's
> already got an actual radio show any way. My $0.02: Get rid
> of all these TV audio channels and hire some broadcasters to
> do original programming. There's plenty of inexpensive
> talent out there, just ask any of the cheapskate small and
> medium market terrestrial radio stations throughout the
> country.
>

Okay, I concede on this issue...from some of the posts I was obviously wrong that there was no audience for hearing channels on Sirius that broadcast the audio from TV channels. It may not be my preference but if some people like it then I agree that Sirius should keep it...that's what's good about all the variety of channels on Satelite, there's something for everybody.
 
Why the name changes?

Can anyone give some speculation on why does Sirius change the names of some of the channels when their format doesn't change? For example Cracked up Comedy is now Laugh Break, and now Sirius Trucker is going to be Road Dog (they already have a Raw Dog). IMHO the old (or current) names are just fine, and people are used to and comfortable with them. I could see if there's a change in the content of the programing enough to warrent this then change the name if you like. This is not terrestrial radio, there's no need to relaunch a station.
 
> > Sorry, while you may see no need for FNC, it is one of
> > the most listened to channels on Sirius & XM. What you
> > are doing is broadcasting cable tv's #1 news channel on
> sat
> > radio- and its very popular.
>
>
> What data are you basing your claim that the audio from TV's
> Fox News Channel is one of the most listened to on Sirius
> and XM? Of course it's very popular on cable TV...but on
> radio? There's only one word to describe your position:
> WRONG.
>
>
> > In case you havent seen or
> > heard about the uproar it cuased when Fox was temporarily
>
> > removed at the end of 2005, it cause a huge backlash for
>
> > having Fox News put back on, and it since then has.
>
>
> Wrong again. You are confusing "Fox News Channel" (the cable
> TV network) with "Fox News Talk", which is DESIGNED FOR
> RADIO. Fox News Talk, for example, carries Alan Comes'
> call-in radio show, as opposed to Fox News Channel, which
> carries "Hannity and Colmes" TV show. Fox News Talk was
> temporarily off Sirius and is coming back, but this has
> nothing to do with a totally different channel broadcasting
> the audio from Fox News Channel which is designed for TV.
>
No you are incorrect. "Fox News Talk" is a new radio channel (added by XM a couple of months ago), that has NEVER been on Sirius before. "Fox News Channel", the TV network feed, was on Sirius for several years before being dropped late last year. I, for one, do enjoy having the audio feeds of the TV news networks. I don't care about Headline News, but I love having CNN and Fox News Channel (and I wish we had MSNBC too, but I have it on XM). When any big national or international news story breaks, I immediately turn to CNN or FNC for breaking coverage. There is no other place for complete, live, up to the minute coverage on breaking stories on Sirius. Granted, I don't normally listen to these channels on a daily basis, but for emergencies and big breaking stories, they are a must in my book. I certainly would keep them for this reason, and I think you'll find that most agree (and yes, they are very popular from what I've heard).
 
Re: Dropping "Mexicana" a dumb move

The one change that kind of surprised me is dropping "Mexicana". Granted, I don't personally listen to this channel, but it seems like a kind of dumb move by Sirius. The Hispanic population is continuing to explode in the U.S., and by far, the largest percentage of new Hispanics are from Mexico. Regional Mexican music (Nortena, Bandera, Cumbia, etc.) is the leading type of music that this group listens to. This is also the format that "Mexicana" broadcasts. Even if you look at traditional, terrestrial FM radio, you'll find that Regional Mexican formats are the leader in Hispanic formats across the country. (with the exception of NYC and Florida). So this move seems very short-sighted on Sirius's part. I can think of handfuls of other channels (especially some useless talk channels that should be cut before this one). Also, if I had to delete one of the Hispanic channels, I think "Universo Latino" (which broadcasts a Spanish AC, "Romantica" type format) would be deleted first. I like "Universo Latino" better myself, but I would dare say that among Latinos, the Regional Mexican format of "Mexicana", overall, is more popular than "Universo Latino"'s Spanish AC format, and even "Rumbon"'s Tropical/Reggeaton format. (Granted, reggeaton is huge among the young Hispanic audience, but Tropical/Salsa is waning and only really big on the East Coast and in Florida). Regional Mexican formats have a much greater reach and higher potential audience across the country. Hate to say it, but this is another example of Sirius having their heads stuck in a New York City state of mind and programming as if they are programming for NYC alone. They need to realize that the rest of the country is listening and often has very different tastes.

As I say, personally I don't really care that much, but businesswise, this was a dumb, not well thought out move. I think you'll see Sirius re-adding a Regional Mexican channel in the future.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by BRH on 03/10/06 04:09 PM.</FONT></P>
 
.
> >
> No you are incorrect. "Fox News Talk" is a new radio
> channel (added by XM a couple of months ago), that has NEVER
> been on Sirius before. "Fox News Channel", the TV network
> feed, was on Sirius for several years before being dropped
> late last year. I, for one, do enjoy having the audio
> feeds of the TV news networks. I don't care about Headline
> News, but I love having CNN and Fox News Channel (and I wish
> we had MSNBC too, but I have it on XM). When any big
> national or international news story breaks, I immediately
> turn to CNN or FNC for breaking coverage. There is no
> other place for complete, live, up to the minute coverage on
> breaking stories on Sirius. Granted, I don't normally
> listen to these channels on a daily basis, but for
> emergencies and big breaking stories, they are a must in my
> book. I certainly would keep them for this reason, and I
> think you'll find that most agree (and yes, they are very
> popular from what I've heard).
>

I was wrong on all counts. Sorry.
 
Right and Patrate combining.

Wonder what will happen to Mike Church now that 145 and 144 are combining?
 
> According to the offical Sirius site, several channels are
> going bye-bye:
> Mexicana, Sirius Advice, a couple of sports channels, Sirius
> Right, and EWTN 160.
>
I think it's spanish EWTN leaving on 180.
 
Five channels to be axed and five to be added; my personal opinions on the changes, FWIW

Okay, I stand corrected -- at first, I thought that possibly nothing would get the axe, and then I realized Sirius Advice was an endangered species.

Now it looks like Sirius is axing five streams in order to add five streams. Fortunately, in my own opinion (and I do realize opinions are like noses, everybody has one), the changes overall will amount to a mild (not major) improvement.

Unlike past channel shuffles, it looks like I'm not likely to miss the five channels being axed. Maybe I was missing something but I never listened much to any of them... I felt I had no use for EWTN and seldom tuned into Sirius Right or Mexicana either. (However, with the Hispanic music channels, I keep having the nagging, faint thought in the back of my mind that maybe I'm missing something.) Also, Sirius had two right-wing talk channels (Sirius Right and Patriot) and only one stream devoted solely to left-wing talk (Sirius Left), so this may help balance things out a little better. (I still think Sirius ought to consider doing a collaboration with Pacifica, but that may be off-topic.)

I did tune into Sirius Advice whilst channel surfing the other night and heard a woman chatting about somewhat unusual food combinations, like pretzels and candy or something. Cute but not absolutely essential IMHO.

Regarding the new channels, in my own personal opinion, all five of the streams are worth checking out.

I was going to say that there are no automatic "home runs" amongst the new channels, but then I thought of Cosmo, which might come close . We'll see ... I'll admit the girly-girl in me has been wanting to check out Cosmo Radio after Sirius adds it, an impression reinforced by the description over at Sirius's official explanation page regarding the forthcoming changes. (Okay, that's not the news junkie in me reacting, but, hey, I guess I'm multi-faceted.) ;-)

It's too early for me to say that I'll regularly tune in to Cosmo or that it'll make one of my presets (there's STIFF competition for those buttons!) but I definitely plan on giving it a listen.

Some listeners are probably going to find that kind of station to be too shallow. But speaking for myself, while I like, say, dance stations like Area 33 and 36 The Beat, I don't turn them on when I want to find out (for example) what Dubya is up to or the latest on the atrocities in the Darfur region of Sudan... The same would go for Cosmo (as with those dance stations), but I think there's a place for it nevertheless and I look forward to checking it out.

Cosmo aside, the part of me that thinks figures I'd probably do well to give Fox News another chance; the same attitude applies to Fox News Talk (although I haven't heard that before); and while I haven't heard a lot of Jeff Foxworthy's material, what I have heard tells me the man can be funny, making Blue Collar Comedy worth a listen as well.

As for Playboy, I'll be surprised if it becomes a big hit with me, but I'm at least going to give it a listen. I'll admit to being curious ... I did read earlier posts opining that Playboy stunk over at XM, but remember that old saw about opinions and noses ... Also, as I said in an email to Sirius, I'm not a prude and I don't have kids with "virgin ears" to protect. ;-)

In sum (as I said up above), I think these changes will be good, on the whole.

One more thing. I'd thought one could opt-in to Playboy via email or phone, but the Sirius explanation page says listeners will opt-in via phone and says nothing about email. So, would email work?



http://www.sirius.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=Sirius/Page&c=FlexContent&cid=1141756801108
 
> Here's the new channel lineup.
>
> Looks like Sirius Advice is getting the axe, if I'm not
> mistaken.
>
> 102 - SIRIUS Stars (moving from 103)
> 103 - Blue Collar Comedy
> 111 - Cosmo Radio
> 117 - WSM Radio / Grand Ole Opry (moving from 111)
> 129 - CNBC (moving from 130)
> 130 - Bloomberg Radio (moving from 131)
> 131 - Fox News Channel (TV)
> 145 - Fox News Talk (Radio)
> 147 - Road Dog Trucking (renamed from SIRIUS Trucker)
> 198 - Playboy Radio (opt-in offering at no additional cost)
>
> This according to www.siriusbackstage.com
>
> http://www.siriusbackstage.com/
>
> http://www.siriusbackstage.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=39827
>


I'm psst! NO TRANSEXUAL CHANNEL? I'm droppin Sirius,suing you'll hear from my lawyer, I'm offended, never going back %$#@!#$#!!<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by apco25 on 03/11/06 12:08 AM.</FONT></P>
 
Sirius misprint -- hey, wait a minute, it looks like Spanish EWTN might be the one getting the axe

> > According to the offical Sirius site, several channels are
>
> > going bye-bye:
> > Mexicana, Sirius Advice, a couple of sports channels,
> Sirius
> > Right, and EWTN 160.
> >
> I think it's spanish EWTN leaving on 180.
>

That got me to do a proverbial "double-take," if that's the way to put it.

Did anyone notice that the official Sirius explanation page of the changes said that -- and I definitely quote -- "EWTN, Ch. 160" -- is getting the axe? The following wording, though, provides a significant clue that something is amiss: "There is also Spanish-language programming available on ESPN Deportes (Channel 181) and BBC Mundo (Channel 182)."

When one clicks on one of the two links, it takes one to Channel 180, Radio Catolica Mundial.

So there would appear to be a misprint and it would appear that the Spanish Catholic station is the one being dropped.

Getting back to personal opinions and speaking only for myself, I'm neither Catholic nor do I speak much Spanish at all (something I hope to rectify eventually; I did take a couple of classes of college Spanish some time back, FWIW), so that's one stream I definitely had no use for and won't miss.


http://www.sirius.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=Sirius/Page&c=FlexContent&cid=1141756801108

http://www.sirius.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=Sirius/CachedPage&c=Channel&cid=1104779632468
 
You may be right - Re: Dropping "Mexicana" a dumb move

Remember that parenthetical comment I made up above? "(However, with the Hispanic music channels, I keep having the nagging, faint thought in the back of my mind that maybe I'm missing something.)"

Briefly, I sampled the three Hispanic music channels, including Mexicana, and while I didn't stick with them (for one thing, the top of the hour came and with it, news headlines), I thought all three of them were relatively enjoyable. I don't expect them (or, at least the two survivors) to become amongst my top music picks. But they weren't bad, and I could actually imagine tuning into, say, Rumbon again, when I feel like hearing some tropical dance music.

More importantly, I had a similar thought to the one you're expressing below.

The Hispanic population is booming in this country and it looks like the trend will continue.

While my other thoughts about the pending March 14 changes hold, I feel that perhaps Sirius is making a mistake getting rid of Mexicana.

> The one change that kind of surprised me is dropping
> "Mexicana". Granted, I don't personally listen to this
> channel, but it seems like a kind of dumb move by Sirius.
> The Hispanic population is continuing to explode in the
> U.S., and by far, the largest percentage of new Hispanics
> are from Mexico. Regional Mexican music (Nortena, Bandera,
> Cumbia, etc.) is the leading type of music that this group
> listens to. This is also the format that "Mexicana"
> broadcasts. Even if you look at traditional, terrestrial FM
> radio, you'll find that Regional Mexican formats are the
> leader in Hispanic formats across the country. (with the
> exception of NYC and Florida). So this move seems very
> short-sighted on Sirius's part. I can think of handfuls of
> other channels (especially some useless talk channels that
> should be cut before this one). Also, if I had to delete
> one of the Hispanic channels, I think "Universo Latino"
> (which broadcasts a Spanish AC, "Romantica" type format)
> would be deleted first. I like "Universo Latino" better
> myself, but I would dare say that among Latinos, the
> Regional Mexican format of "Mexicana", overall, is more
> popular than "Universo Latino"'s Spanish AC format, and even
> "Rumbon"'s Tropical/Reggeaton format. (Granted, reggeaton
> is huge among the young Hispanic audience, but
> Tropical/Salsa is waning and only really big on the East
> Coast and in Florida). Regional Mexican formats have a
> much greater reach and higher potential audience across the
> country. Hate to say it, but this is another example of
> Sirius having their heads stuck in a New York City state of
> mind and programming as if they are programming for NYC
> alone. They need to realize that the rest of the country is
> listening and often has very different tastes.
>
> As I say, personally I don't really care that much, but
> businesswise, this was a dumb, not well thought out move. I
> think you'll see Sirius re-adding a Regional Mexican channel
> in the future.
>
 
Re: You may be right - Re: Dropping "Mexicana" a dumb move

> While my other thoughts about the pending March 14 changes
> hold, I feel that perhaps Sirius is making a mistake getting
> rid of Mexicana.

I agree that getting rid of Mexicana is a mistake, even though I prefer Universo Latino by far (although I was born in Texas and have also lived in New Mexico and Arizona, I never studied Mexican Spanish). Even if Mexicans don't make up much of the subscriber base for Sirius, I can tell you literally every Mexican restaurant where I live has a Sirius radio tuned to Mexicana. I suspect every Mexican restaurant will turn around and drop the service the second the channel goes away.
 
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