New "D"s for Chula Vista and South San Diego

[badjef]

It sounds as though there may be solution in the way of STA for 105.3 to have the "grandfathered" status reinstated and for the rest of the Mt. Soledad radio stations to follow suit.

Let's not stop there, there is also the Mt. Wilson stations.

I'm sure that little pesky thing of "radiation hazzard" can be dealt with.

"Hmmm, I hear a little spanish under the audio..."

Remember Radio Marti? How about WDAE?

(I'm resurrecting an "airways.com" thread, now.)

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!

 

[RadeoEngineer]

The U.S. State dept does address these issues with Mexico and gets no relief because Mexico doesn't care. You once again ignore the fact that stations are operating outside their authorization. That is a fact and everyone but you seems to know it.

So you now make it the U.S. fault for not acting with sufficient vigor, although I know for a fact that these issues are brought up often by Hal Grigsby working for the State Dept. You want to blame the victim here Gleason, when the perp walks scott free.

The issue was mentioned, put on the table but not pursued at a higher level by state. In other words, they went through the motions, showing that the necessary actions had been taken, but never pushed. And that is because there is obviously a perception of other issues having higher importance and, thus, those issues are being handled by the highest levels of diplomatic channels.

In the overall picture of US - Mexico relations, how important do you think non-engineering diplomats in Washington... and in the Distrito Federal... find some power variations by a few radio stations.

If the FCC does not police the seeming hundreds of US stations that don't change to night facilities or daytimers that stay on after sunset (see any of the DX clubs for constant reports of these) or stations using the infamous "Football STA" to remain on after sunset... do you really think they will do much about something in a foreign country? There are plenty of scofflaws here that are out of control... some operating for years (890 in Laredo, TX, running day facility at night for about a decade, off and on, is an example).

Blah, blah, blah. Spin it away from the stations in Tijuana I've quoted as fact. At least if the FCC catches an American licensee operating outside of their authorization, they will take action. In Mexico, the powers that be just look the other way, so maybe they can continue to get their mordida?

 

[davideduardo]

Remember Radio Marti?

It's still on the air as the US's only legal AM station licensed by the FCC and the only one with 100 kw day and night, too.

 

[RicoGregg]

Blah, blah, blah. Spin it away from the stations in Tijuana I've quoted as fact. At least if the FCC catches an American licensee operating outside of their authorization, they will take action. In Mexico, the powers that be just look the other way, so maybe they can continue to get their mordida?

Maybe you don't care what others think, but I think that you were out of line with that snide mordida remark.

Why don't you just go ahead and petition the FCC to start jamming Mexican signals?

 

[badjef]

Blah, blah, blah. Spin it away from the stations in Tijuana I've quoted as fact. At least if the FCC catches an American licensee operating outside of their authorization, they will take action. In Mexico, the powers that be just look the other way, so maybe they can continue to get their mordida?

Maybe you don't care what others think, but I think that you were out of line with that snide mordida remark.

Why don't you just go ahead and petition the FCC to start jamming Mexican signals?

That's why I started this thread.
The "D"s on 105.7, licensed for Chula Vista and South San Diego, would be effectively jamming the "Walrus" in those immediate vacinities with the blessing of the FCC.

Open the window for more allocations, and North of the Border marketing will become much more difficult.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!

 

[w9wi]

Remember Radio Marti?

It's still on the air as the US's only legal AM station licensed by the FCC and the only one with 100 kw day and night, too.

Marti is licensed by the FCC? I thought as a federal government owned station, it was authorized by NTIA? (though presumably coordinated with FCC)

 

[davideduardo]

Remember Radio Marti?

It's still on the air as the US's only legal AM station licensed by the FCC and the only one with 100 kw day and night, too.

Marti is licensed by the FCC? I thought as a federal government owned station, it was authorized by NTIA? (though presumably coordinated with FCC)

Sorry, meant "unlicensed by the FCC."

 

[davideduardo]

Maybe you don't care what others think, but I think that you were out of line with that snide mordida remark.

I thought so too. I don't think there is any evidence or indication that bribery is part of this particular situation. The issue is simply that lax enforcement will result in lax compliance.

And lax enforcement can be caused by limited budgets, underpaid staff and a lack of motivation from the top to achieve full compliance. All of these are conditions often commented on by news commentators in Mexico, so they are quite real.

Plus, the plethora of perpetual pirates pervading places like Miami, New York, Boston and a number of other metros is an indication of what the same conditions result in in the US, too.

 

[RadeoEngineer]

Blah, blah, blah. Spin it away from the stations in Tijuana I've quoted as fact. At least if the FCC catches an American licensee operating outside of their authorization, they will take action. In Mexico, the powers that be just look the other way, so maybe they can continue to get their mordida?

Maybe you don't care what others think, but I think that you were out of line with that snide mordida remark.

Why don't you just go ahead and petition the FCC to start jamming Mexican signals?

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I worked down there for ten years. I know what goes on. You pay or you lose. Give me a call when you have had some experience.

 

[RadeoEngineer]

Maybe you don't care what others think, but I think that you were out of line with that snide mordida remark.

I thought so too. I don't think there is any evidence or indication that bribery is part of this particular situation. The issue is simply that lax enforcement will result in lax compliance.

And lax enforcement can be caused by limited budgets, underpaid staff and a lack of motivation from the top to achieve full compliance. All of these are conditions often commented on by news commentators in Mexico, so they are quite real.

Plus, the plethora of perpetual pirates pervading places like Miami, New York, Boston and a number of other metros is an indication of what the same conditions result in in the US, too.

Good for you Gleason. You have a compadre that doesn't like my tough position on cheaters. I return to the facts of the matter. XLNC, XEPRS, and XHTIM along with the Bonilla stations operate in variance of their authorizations. Do you care to dispute that?

Pirates in the U.S., while unacceptable, don't operate at 10kW non D and cause interference.

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[RadeoEngineer]

Blah, blah, blah. Spin it away from the stations in Tijuana I've quoted as fact. At least if the FCC catches an American licensee operating outside of their authorization, they will take action. In Mexico, the powers that be just look the other way, so maybe they can continue to get their mordida?

Maybe you don't care what others think, but I think that you were out of line with that snide mordida remark.

Why don't you just go ahead and petition the FCC to start jamming Mexican signals?

One other thing, I would never desire that any American broadcaster do anything illegal, and certainly would't present some puerile petition to the FCC to do the same. I want everyone to comply with their authorization. Nothing more, nothing less. And it's not out of line when it's fact.

 

[RadeoEngineer]

Maybe you don't care what others think, but I think that you were out of line with that snide mordida remark.

I thought so too. I don't think there is any evidence or indication that bribery is part of this particular situation. The issue is simply that lax enforcement will result in lax compliance.

And lax enforcement can be caused by limited budgets, underpaid staff and a lack of motivation from the top to achieve full compliance. All of these are conditions often commented on by news commentators in Mexico, so they are quite real.

Plus, the plethora of perpetual pirates pervading places like Miami, New York, Boston and a number of other metros is an indication of what the same conditions result in in the US, too.

So how many pirates in the U.S. are blasting 10 kW nonD? Especially when they have an authorization for a directional antenna with 400 watts to the north? How many U.S. pirates are running 50 kW with a requirement to change to a night pattern but never could do so? How many U.S. pirates are operating a 1 kW authorization at 20 kW?

Your "lax enforcement, limited budgets, underpaid staff" comment suggests it's OK to operate out of authorization and cause whatever problem it may to others that are playing by the rules Gleason.

Please give me a link or reference to "All of these are conditions often commented on by news commentators in Mexico, so they are quite real." I'd love to see it. The fact is, nobody down there cares.

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[davideduardo]

So how many pirates in the U.S. are blasting 10 kW nonD?

So, from this question I can see that you really don't care about illegality per se, but rather the power of the illegal action. Sort of like finding that the speeder in a KIA is less guilty than the speeder in a Porche.

I'll mention a personal experience on a Carnival Air flight to Miami in about 1996 when I was setting up the launch of WAMR there. As the flight was on final approach, right over the WSUA site and the Rinker quarry at about 137th and The Trail, the plane went into a fast and powerful climb and then circled back over the everglades. The pilot came on and said that a pirate radio station was interfering with the control to plane channel, a "common occurrence" in Miami.

Another of the pirates was selling club advertising. When the manager of Power 96 went to find out why they were buying time on an illegal station, and not Power, the owner said that the pirate operator said that if they didn't buy, he'd have the club smashed up and had already sent some thugs to start fights and break things up to prove it.

So, yeah. I think the pirates are really vile. And the stations in a nation where enforcement and compliance are traditionally more lax is not so vile.

Your "lax enforcement, limited budgets, underpaid staff" comment suggests it's OK to operate out of authorization and cause whatever problem it may to others that are playing by the rules Gleason.

I'm not saying it is right... as I have been saying all along, it's not right but it is normal, and it is not going to change. You can't expect it to change just because it is not right by US standards.

Please give me a link or reference to "All of these are conditions often commented on by news commentators in Mexico, so they are quite real." I'd love to see it. The fact is, nobody down there cares.

Listen any to the political shows, like López Dóriga on Radio Fórmula. He and his guests comment all the time about the laxity of regulation in México in everything from the petroleum industry to law enforcement. And they talk about the lack of money to get better leadership and staff. Or read the opinion pages in good papers like Reforma or even the more traditional El Universal. Or listen online to stations like Radio Red (GRC) and La 69 (Also GRC) or the talk on W Radio (not the format on 690) or any of the Mexico City talkers listed at www.mexicoradiotv.com.

 

[RicoGregg]

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I worked down there for ten years. I know what goes on. You pay or you lose. Give me a call when you have had some experience.

Let's see if any of this meets your high criteria for "experience":

Very first start in radio in 1967 at KVCR, San Bernardino Valley College doing volunteer weekend shifts.

First professional job: 1968, while a senior at Coronado High, at what is now KBZT, then KLRO Stereo 95, when it was in a converted broom closet in the U.S. Grant hotel downtown.

Three floors down from KLRO, I also worked at 105.3, in a more spacious office, and it was known as KITT. It was owned by an expert radio man named Fred Rabell, who hired me personally.

I took the Coronado Ferry to work, and walked from the ferry landing to Broadway. The bridge was still under construction.

Rather than go through my whole resume, I'll just say that from that time onward, I've worked in the biz in places like San Diego, L.A., Big Bear, Lompoc, The Inland Empire, and have helped produce syndicated and satellite programming.

I've also worked with some great engineers including Steve Blodgett at Golden West Broadcasters, and the late, great and funny Bill Elledge at several Inland Empire outlets.

So, it's possible that maybe, just maybe, since 1967, I know a little something that would save me the trouble of calling you and getting information that I could get more easily and more pleasantly from other sources. And, without red ink.

FYI, I do not know Mr. Gleason personally. We do have mutual acquaintances, but we have never met, so I can't say that he's a friend of mine. We have posted in the same threads before, and there have been times when we weren't of the same opinion. However, I respect his knowledge greatly. I haven't agreed with everything he's said in the many posts of his that I've read, but his opinions are informed opinions, and he treats other posters with respect and dignity. Too bad I can't say the same about you.

There is little else I can add except that if you want to call things like respect and dignity "spin", a word that you seem to be so fond of using, then the concept of a civil, honest disagreement is apparently lost on you.

I anxiously await your next batch of red ink.

 

[badjef]

Returning this thread to the original topic...

I guess the real answer is, "Politics trumps everything".

Since the filings were already in place when 105.7 signed on, I can only assume that 105.7 was in the works when the allocations were being auctioned and there are stipulations on the licenses with regard to a (then) future Mexican 105.7 sign-on from Tj. It might be similar to the 89.3 in New Jersey with respect to a (possible) United Nations radio station in New York.

It would be interesting to see just what's written on the physical license of the "D"s.

(Gee, Buff, I didn't mean to get you going like that...)

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!

 

[fybush]

There are no licenses for the Ds in Chula Vista or South San Diego. There are only applications, filed back in 2004 when the FCC last opened a window for new FM translators. Tens of thousands of applications came in during the "Great Translator Invasion," leading the FCC to freeze those apps after granting some of them. Because the translator service is a secondary service, some of the apps that are now in deep-freeze are now ungrantable due to full-power stations moving or signing on in the years since.

Without taking the time to look at the Chula Vista and SSD apps, I'd guess that they show protection on Mexican soil to the 105.7 facility *as internationally coordinated,* which is to say the Tecate version of 105.7. They do not need to show protection on US soil to any Mexican signal, nor do they need any special conditions of license other than the conditions normally applicable to any translator (again: they're a secondary service subject to being bumped by a higher class of station, and they must fix interference problems or sign off if there's any actual interference to a US-licensed full-power station.)