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New LPFM radio station approved in Mukilteo on 100.3

From Northwest Broadcasters: The FCC has granted an original construction permit to Slavic Church 'Sulamita' for a low power FM station in Mukilteo. It is authorized to operate on 100.3 MHz with an ERP of 7 watts non-directional at 108 meters HAAT at 47° 49' 14.40", 122° 16' 38.80". FCC data

This is equally as bad at that 96.9 translator in Marysville. CKKQ covers that area with a decent signal from Victoria; I can't believe that this translator has been approved.
 
Decently? This LP will get blown off the air within a half mile of the stick by the blowtorch that is CKKQ. I thought CKKQ was a local station when I first found them in 2006.
 
With CKKQ bearing down hard on Mulkilteo, would the new LPFM stand a better chance by ditching 7 watts and 108 m and going instead with the standard 100 watts/30 meters? Granted, they'll be lucky to get out 2 miles with 100 watts, but it would seem the LPFM would have better coverage within that two miles with more power.
 
Decently? This LP will get blown off the air within a half mile of the stick by the blowtorch that is CKKQ. I thought CKKQ was a local station when I first found them in 2006.

I just don't see how anyone could think its a good idea to put an LPFM on the same frequency as a Malahat Ridge signal.
 
Watch CKKQ's coverage area in Snohomish County get ripped up. THANK GOD I don't live here anymore. In Yakima, we have a very weak LPFM from down in the Lower Valley on 100.3, but I can hear in the null, KXAA, CKKQ and KKRZ depending on what time!

-crainbebo
 
Watch CKKQ's coverage area in Snohomish County get ripped up. THANK GOD I don't live here anymore. In Yakima, we have a very weak LPFM from down in the Lower Valley on 100.3, but I can hear in the null, KXAA, CKKQ and KKRZ depending on what time!

-crainbebo

I'm waiting to see what kind of damage that 101.9 signal on Vashon will do to my ability to hear KINK in the car. I can't believe i'm going to lose that signal for a station which is going to serve absolutely no purpose.
 
KINK is not that strong, especially on Vashon and points north. I can get them in tropo, but under normal conditions? No, if anything it's CFUV on the G8.
 
Oh you guys......the issue with this allocation is that it is really high up in AMSL (average mean sea level) and thus cannot go to a low 30 meters HAAT. And with a 2nd adjacency waiver the interference contour towards KKWF and KISW must be contained above ground level and kept at a minimum.

I suspect they'll get about 6.5 kilometers (4 miles) of coverage if they're lucky and certainly never make it into downtown Everett where they'll be nailed by CKKQ.

I even wonder if the darn thing will even be built. Who's going to listen? How many Slavic folks are clustered in that particular area? Sounds like a musical sandbox to me.
 
I noticed it's licensed to Mukilteo. So why is it's transmitter in Lynnwood? Will it even be heard in Mukilteo?
 
Hi, folks. My first posting since "the changes." This is the kind of topic where the DXers that some of the business-only types that post to this board like to scoff at, can shed some light on the changes to signal propagation that we're experiencing with more stations being jammed on top of each other in the Puget Sound region.

Don't get me wrong. I think there is a need for more variety in ownership and programming. A lot more than a handful of national corporations have a right to be broadcasters. LPFM seems like a good option for radio hobbyists to have their own "shows." But the prolific national religious sat-casters have already built an empire that's forcing these ridiculous frequency assignments for newcomers to LPFM. I won't hold my breath for anyone at the FCC to have the courage to reign them all in. Remember the fuss religious broadcasters (when there were far fewer of them) created over the "Lansman-Milam Act" in the 1970s? That really would have made room for a variety of minority-interest stations, instead of the glut of fundamentalist religion that crowds out other possibilities on the dial in most of the country.

But authorizing all of this squeezing-in is having a bigger effect on the dial than a few miles from a low power transmitter. Especially around Seattle and north, with hilly terrain and salt water to help signals travel beyond the neat radius you see diagrammed on paper. For an example of how much further damage new signals can cause beyond what seems plausible in theory, try listening to 88.9 anywhere in Snohomish, Skagit, or even Whatcom Counties. It used to be a solid signal from Victoria on the equivalent of what's considered a full "class C" signal on this side of the border. Their site is barely 50 miles away from new stations on the same frequency. Without all of this interference, the Victoria station has enough tower height to get a good signal out for 100 miles. Yet, American stations have cut it back to no more than 30 miles of listanble signal to the east. Adding KPLK in Sedro-Woolley on the same frequency, and then letting it increase power right after it came on the air, and then adding a Spanish-language religious translator in Everett on 88.9, you'll find those other stations have reduced the Victoria signal to miles and miles of hiss and hash and sputters. Roads I drive with a clear shot to Victoria no longer bring in a steady signal from Canada on 88.9, like it did a year ago. Instead, I get bits of KPLU's repeater, and the Everett newbie, mixing in with the Mercer Island high school station, and somewhere in the mix, 88.9 from Victoria, in a glorious unlistenable mess for miles.

Last year, I listened regularly to Espace Musique on 88.9 from Victoria (sorry, don't recall the call letters) clearly on my kitchen radio in Shoreline, and enjoyed their most of their French language programming. Really nice classical and jazz programs, too. But now, 88.9 is a complete mess both at home and in the car on routes facing the water, where it used to come in like gangbusters.

I think the FCC doesn't care as much about signal integrity as it does scoring points with Congress on aiding the concept of adding more minority stations to the FM roster, even if few people can really ever hear them. It makes it look like they're addressing an audience need on paper, even if in reality there's very little coverage for the new stations, or the ones they're jumping on top of anymore.

It seems that you can pick any freq. used by a Canadian station, and get a new license around here! I guess if they don't show up on the Radio-Locator database, they don't exist! The wisdom of the protocol where most Vancouver and Victoria stations were evenly spaced as second adjacents with Seattle assignments, seems to have gotten lost in a world where any coverage beyond 20 or 30 miles is considered up for grabs. But the extra noise these added signals create for surprisingly long distances, might be a new lesson in how radio waves really travel. Turns out you really can jam a medium-strong FM signal without much effort. Unless there are transmitter issues in Victoria exacerbating this (they have been known to be slow to fix them), I'm finding the example of what's happened to 88.9 fewer to be another reason I listen to less radio than I used to, and am eager for internet radio in my car.

I doubt anyone 20 or 40 years ago, when FM assignments were filling up the dial, could have ever imagined the lack of signal protections that are chewing up signals. And more on the way! If that's the way it's going to be, why not have everyone reduce to "class A" power, and give up on wider coverage across the board, to squeeze even more "stations" in? Mt. Vernon and Everett could become their own markets with dozens of local signals on top of what you used to get from Vancouver, Victoria and Seattle! And, ironically, instead of making for a stronger radio industry, the mush drives even more listeners away from FM as well as AM. I can't imagine there will be more than a dozen listeners to the new Mukilteo station. I'd be willing to bet the rock station it's displacing on 100.3 has a measurable audience along the coast. But I think few people know how to register their disappointment when signals are covered up, and will opt to just go away and find something else to occupy their ears.

Someone a few months ago here or in Radio World proposed using the TV channel 5 and 6 bandwidth for an "open to all comers" section of the radio band. A designated zone where "pirates" and other LPFM interests can have at it, within designated power limits, perhaps without even being licensed. I like that idea. I think that's a strategy that would actually do a lot more to promote the stability of the radio industry than migrating a bunch of bottom-tier AM stations there. It would also allow for some breathing room between signals on the rest of the dial.
 
Agreed. This is one good reason I don't miss Seattle. The interference is getting worse and worse in Seattle. 89.1 is CSN after CSN after CSN. 91.1's KPLU translator went on for miles and miles, and now on 105.5, right NEXT to Vancouver, it is severely limited. And don't get me started on a CP for a 105.7 in Snohomish County. That would kill CBU in NW WA. Then you have CPs on 98.5 in the Olympia area, and 103.3 Oak Harbor, are they nuts?

-crainbebo
 
One thing I could like to clarify, I am mad at LPFM and the worthless programming you find on one of these "community" stations, not the FCC. The FCC obviously does not know of every single detail about what our radio landscape looks like here in western Washington. Mistakes happen.

LPFM has to be one of the worst ideas that I have personally heard of. I am not trying to speak for the general public, but I do not see anything remotely entertaining about listening to someone "play" radio (rather, make their own little jukebox). In the end, it ends up ruining things for other people (i.e, the people in Lynnwood who actually enjoy listening to CKKQ who will not longer be able to do so). I too would like to have some form of internet radio in my car; I don't want it so I can listen to Pandora, but rather I can use the web to connect to the live streams from radio stations that I love.

On the most personal level, LPFM has already/will pretty much destroyed my ability to tune into any of the fringe radio stations that I used to receive in the past. I will have to rely on live streaming.
 
I think if we still had KRAB, LPFM wouldn't even be an issue. At least in Seattle.

Wouldn't it be just better to have one full power station where all the misc. niches can go than messing up the FM band with little 5-10 watt transmitters everywhere?
 
I think if we still had KRAB, LPFM wouldn't even be an issue. At least in Seattle.

Wouldn't it be just better to have one full power station where all the misc. niches can go than messing up the FM band with little 5-10 watt transmitters everywhere?

Well on the positive side, I really do not expect these LPFM's to exist for too long. How long can these people afford to run these suto stations if nobody actually cares?
 
Agreed. This is one good reason I don't miss Seattle. The interference is getting worse and worse in Seattle. 89.1 is CSN after CSN after CSN. 91.1's KPLU translator went on for miles and miles, and now on 105.5, right NEXT to Vancouver, it is severely limited. And don't get me started on a CP for a 105.7 in Snohomish County. That would kill CBU in NW WA. Then you have CPs on 98.5 in the Olympia area, and 103.3 Oak Harbor, are they nuts?

-crainbebo
CBU.. yep.. that's one station I love listening to in NW Washington that will be a figment of the past if they get that new 105.7 up and running. I almost feel like the people who run these stations are just trying to ensure that nobody else can listen to the co-channel. I am positive that they could find another frequency to use in that region. What about that broadcaster we discussed a few months ago in Centrailia on 102.3 that unnecessarily wiped out KZOK?

Maybe I am completely off base, but it seems like some of these stations exist only to troll people...

EDIT: For those of you who did not know already, I found the worst offender of bandwidth waste to date. 104.9 Sequim with an ERP 3,000. It shall supply worthless programming to the community AND destroy the ability of people in Victoria to hear CFUN.
 
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Sequim is too close to British Columbia for even a 3KW station.
102.3 is a KACS translator, a WORTHLESS translator, in fact, it is licensed to the same city of license as KACS. (Chehalis) WHY?! They also used 99.7 before KOMO took over with a fill in translator. That shouldn't be on either. 97.7 does fine through Centralia - hell if it can reach the Eugene area on occasion, they don't need it.
Stations like KSER and maybe KPTZ are good in my opinion. But KROH is a waste of channel. That old K216EN on 91.1 (KPLU) from Mt. Vernon had an incredible range. Long past Mt Vernon I could still hear it. Even heard it near Hoodsport one time! Regular in Bothell and Mill Creek as well.

I think the only solution to solve LPFM and kick these stations off is to put KSER's transmitter on a good sized hill (Soper Hill in Lake Stevens is probably not enough, maybe Lake Rosinger area?), and at least 50kw. That would reach Vancouver Island way down toward Olympia. KBOO and KNWR may have to change patterns a little bit however. But their programming is just like the music that some of these 100w LPFMs will have.

-crainbebo
 
I think the only solution to solve LPFM and kick these stations off is to put KSER's transmitter on a good sized hill (Soper Hill in Lake Stevens is probably not enough, maybe Lake Rosinger area?), and at least 50kw. That would reach Vancouver Island way down toward Olympia. KBOO and KNWR may have to change patterns a little bit however. But their programming is just like the music that some of these 100w LPFMs will have.

-crainbebo

I don't see that happening. Too many 1st-2nd adjacent channel station issues on top of the co-channels.
 
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