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New York Ratings August 2024 - WCBS 880 Goes Out With A Whimper

WLTW "Lite FM" is #1 18-34 (by six shares!) while Z100 is #1 25-54.
I don't know what to say about that except that it seems screwed up and makes me question the methodology and accuracy of everything from Nielsen. It makes no sense.
I predict that David Eduardo will tell you that 18-34 are mostly not using radio any more, and those few that have PPMs are outliers that skew the numbers.
 
Could Audacy have saved WCBS and tanked WINS. Or was WINS always in a better position.
I think that the myriad of postings in this thread (and the hundreds of others on this topic) kind of answer those questions for you. WINS, even before the newsroom consolidation, move to FM, etc. was the stronger station, and I'm sure if you looked back at 2017 pre-Entercom, you'd probably see that too.
 
WLTW "Lite FM" is #1 18-34 (by six shares!) while Z100 is #1 25-54.
I don't know what to say about that except that it seems screwed up and makes me question the methodology and accuracy of everything from Nielsen. It makes no sense.
I'll never understand the success of WLTW, especially how it receives consistently younger demos. It's been number 1 accept for 2-3 books for years. It's like it's rigged.
 
I predict that David Eduardo will tell you that 18-34 are mostly not using radio any more, and those few that have PPMs are outliers that skew the numbers.
Exactly. CHR and Urban / R&B music is being more and more listened to on streams because it can't be used over the air due to lyrics. So the listeners go elsewhere... where there are fewer or no commercials.
 
Exactly. Audacy gave a fabulous FM signal to WINS and left WCBS to wither on the dying AM band. Then they started running the same local field reports on both stations after conning the union into giving them the opportunity to do that.
The owners worked with the union to show that WCBS was not profitable on the news portion of its operation while the sports deal was the only money-maker. The union wanted to preserve as many jobs as it could, and it did that for a while.
Then Audacy killed live news reports all evening and overnights on WCBS and they continued to run infomercials on the weekend.

So yes, they one hundred percent did everything to kill it with the usual corporate cost cutting plans in mind.
When radio revenues, inflation adjusted, are off by over 60% since Y2K, you expect them not to reduce costs when they have two stations in the same dramatically aging format*

* While "insiders" may think that the two stations have different news formats, to ad buyers they were just "the news stations". And agencies (most NYC market ad buys are through agencies) try not to duplicate formats, preferring to spread the buys across multiple ones to improve "reach" (which is a specific technical term in ad buying).
That probably would not have happened if there were real competition between Audacy and another operator running the two news stations that both ranked among the nation's top-10 billers.
Name another market anywhere in the world where two all-news stations exist successfully. The time was up for several reasons on having more than one news stations: high operating cost, reduced radio revenue pool, aging audience, more sources for traffic, weather and other service elements, the general decline of AM and the reduced usage of ad sponsored audio services.

Name that market, please.
It was a desperation move from a financially and ethically bankrupt corporation and another example of how consolidation has hurt media and the public in America.
It's no such thing. Audacy made the mistake of overpaying for mature stations with zero upside, and nobody calculated the loss of revenue radio has suffered overall due to new media, a quasi-recession and the pandemic.

There is nothing "ethically corrupt" for a company trying to emerge from bankruptcy in a weak ad economy to find ways to make unprofitable stations more productive. You keep talking about "billing" but the fact is that WCBS, aside from sports, was not profitable.

Consolidation saved radio from something even worse as just before the FCC allowed it, over half of all US radio stations were not profitable. That was 30 years ago. Just think how much worse the business would be if consolidation had not happened.
 
I'll never understand the success of WLTW, especially how it receives consistently younger demos. It's been number 1 accept for 2-3 books for years. It's like it's rigged.
The bulk of 18-34's are using very little over the air radio as much of the music for CHR, Urban, Churban and the like can't legally be broadcast. So what you find is that stations that are based on a curated blend of non-current music tend to do better, even in their fringe demographics.

What you can't see in the "free" Nielsen numbers is the fact that much fewer listening is being done by the younger demos. So, let's say, a 4 share today has about the same number of young listeners today as a 1 share signified 15 to 20 years ago: a higher percentage of vastly fewer listeners.

And WLTW for decades has targeted 25-54 women. It does a fine job of reaching a large percentage of them.
 
Wait a minute! I was told by someone here that they DIDN'T run infomercials on the weekend. Which is it?
I said few, not DIDN'T.

It was an hour, maybe two, each day. The bigger problem on weekends was dropping live news for the WCBS Magazine all afternoon and into the evenings.
 
The owners worked with the union to show that WCBS was not profitable on the news portion of its operation while the sports deal was the only money-maker. The union wanted to preserve as many jobs as it could, and it did that for a while.

When radio revenues, inflation adjusted, are off by over 60% since Y2K, you expect them not to reduce costs when they have two stations in the same dramatically aging format*

* While "insiders" may think that the two stations have different news formats, to ad buyers they were just "the news stations". And agencies (most NYC market ad buys are through agencies) try not to duplicate formats, preferring to spread the buys across multiple ones to improve "reach" (which is a specific technical term in ad buying).

Name another market anywhere in the world where two all-news stations exist successfully. The time was up for several reasons on having more than one news stations: high operating cost, reduced radio revenue pool, aging audience, more sources for traffic, weather and other service elements, the general decline of AM and the reduced usage of ad sponsored audio services.

Name that market, please.

It's no such thing. Audacy made the mistake of overpaying for mature stations with zero upside, and nobody calculated the loss of revenue radio has suffered overall due to new media, a quasi-recession and the pandemic.

There is nothing "ethically corrupt" for a company trying to emerge from bankruptcy in a weak ad economy to find ways to make unprofitable stations more productive. You keep talking about "billing" but the fact is that WCBS, aside from sports, was not profitable.

Consolidation saved radio from something even worse as just before the FCC allowed it, over half of all US radio stations were not profitable. That was 30 years ago. Just think how much worse the business would be if consolidation had not happened.
Had there been no consolidation would the smaller weaker stations just died off and allowed the pot to get bigger for the more successful ones to survive. Is the band too overpopulated with crap and it brings everything under.

How many AM stations realistically should not exist correctly.
 
Had there been no consolidation would the smaller weaker stations just died off and allowed the pot to get bigger for the more successful ones to survive. Is the band too overpopulated with crap and it brings everything under.

How many AM stations realistically should not exist correctly.
It might have just increased the speed that stations went off the air, since listening would still have fallen off due to technology marching on.
 
It might have just increased the speed that stations went off the air, since listening would still have fallen off due to technology marching on.
The band is overpopulated with stations all fighting for the same dollars. The weaker ones must be bringing the bigger ones down with them. Either by degrading signals or just turning people off of AM entirely.
 
Consolidation saved radio from something even worse as just before the FCC allowed it, over half of all US radio stations were not profitable. That was 30 years ago. Just think how much worse the business would be if consolidation had not happened.
That's a key point that frequently gets missed. Had consolidation not been allowed back in the mid 90's, radio as an industry would be much thinner and with more failed stations than today. When you think about it, consolidation extended radio's life by at least forty years.
 
That's a key point that frequently gets missed. Had consolidation not been allowed back in the mid 90's, radio as an industry would be much thinner and with more failed stations than today. When you think about it, consolidation extended radio's life by at least forty years.
Should stations be allowed to fail and disappear or be propped up on life support forever.
 
The band is overpopulated with stations all fighting for the same dollars. The weaker ones must be bringing the bigger ones down with them. Either by degrading signals or just turning people off of AM entirely.
No one besides DXers, nostalgists or people who can't/don't want to learn how to stream, wants to listen to AM when they have a better speaker and audio stream on their phone that has zero interference. It doesn't matter if the station has a 50kW signal or not.
 
Irrelevant question: It's all up to the marketplace whether they fail or not. Someone has to own them. Right now, nobody wants to buy radio stations.

Owners can just turn in their licenses to the FCC if they can't operate the stations.
Maybe the FCC should get more involved with stations that go bankrupt and can’t survive and force them to relinquish their license.
 
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