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No Point To HD Signal If Radio Is Lousy!
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EasyPeazy
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SUPERCASTER said:
Personally, I'm not opposed to anything the nice reporter from the Hartford paper said. I'd also like to see cheaper HD Radio offerings with better speakers than the Accurian has. I think we all would - and we will in time.
In fact, the author says nothing bad about HD Radio itself, he's just critical of the build quality, price and sound of the Accurian radio.
In fact, he seems pretty jazzed about HD Radio, except for the high cost of the radios:
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EasyPeazy
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Oh yeah, the quote you cited above is from a typical, angry anti-HD type in the other thread, not the Hartford paper.
For someone who casually throws around accusations of deception, I would think you'd hold yourself to a higher standard.
For someone who casually throws around accusations of deception, I would think you'd hold yourself to a higher standard.
EasyPeazy said:
Prove where I said the quote on this thread was from the "Hartford paper". You are confused, and mistaken.
Both links were plainly there, right on that linked to board thread. Links to both were posted by me. No deception on my part, and once again, no justified accusations from you. Take your own advice about "higher standards" before transferring your deficiencies to others.
"VeteranPD" made some good points, and he does not seem to be a maliciously "angry anti-HD type" as you infer.
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EasyPeazy
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SUPERCASTER said:
The entire point of the other thread was what you apparently thought was an anti-HD article in the Hartford Courant.
The title you took for the thread was the title of the article in the paper.
You quoted the paper as the first post in the other thread and posted a link.
Then in this thread, which has the same title as the other thread, you post a quote from an anti-HD post in the other thread - not from the paper.
That's deceptive.
Another happy camper as 770 AM in Dallas has turn on the HD noise... yet it's right under the nose of those that cheer it's greatness...
http://www.radio-info.com/smf/index.php/topic,66481.0.html#top
http://www.radio-info.com/smf/index.php/topic,66481.0.html#top
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EasyPeazy
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radiopilot said:
I think the original poster was complaining about the programming - not HD.
BTW. KAAM sounds great in HD!
EasyPeazy said:
Guess you rant on before going to the actual station website and see that they are now broadcasting in HD.. hence the awful noise the original poster complains about especially since he's been listening to this station for years, perhaps decades...
I guess you also listen to the music on air in Dallas as well... you must have some fast feet or that BMW as alot of miles... which is it?
Radiopilot
radiopilot said:
I drive to Dallas a couple of times a month. During the daytime KAAM is receivable on most car radios in my area, about 130-140 miles away. I've heard them in decent C-Quam stereo in Longview, Texas. When they switched to HD, there was a noticeable degradation of their analog signal. It seems noisier at my distance. Of course, the stereo went away too. As I drive into Dallas, I can best describe the analog sound as "muffled." Before HD, they were surprisingly good sounding for a music station on AM. There is now a fairly loud hiss (still audible at 135 miles) that effectively blocks out their sidebands. (760 & 780)
KAAM has a sponsor that sells hearing aids. Perhaps it will help them sell more.
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EasyPeazy
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radiopilot said:
Oh, I listen to a lot of HD Radio in Dallas.
I'm not an avid KAAM listener, I'm about 20 years out of the demo, but I have listened to it in HD. Would you like some samples?
EasyPeazy said:
Not particularly. I'm sure it sounds fine on an HD radio. The HD I've heard sounded quite good on the appropriate radio. The problem is those pesky 800 million analog radios that must be put in a land-fill somewhere.
I'm going to Dallas tomorrow. I plan to buy a Sangean tuner when I'm there. There are no HD radios in any store that I know of in East Texas. I'll be interested to see if it works (with an outside antenna) at this distance. Maybe I can get Shreveport. It is only 60 miles or so.
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paul vincent zecchino
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Quite a problem, isn't it? What to do about the 'Analog Radio Problem'?
800 million? Conservative. It's long and well noted there exist 5 - 10 sets per household.
Don't HD cheerleaders know that a TV set is an appliance, but radio is personal? Why not?
Customers won't appreciate TeamBLOC rendering their analog sets worthless.
What auto maker would sell cars by telling you to junk your vintage car?
Why does TeamBLOC believe rules apply solely to others, and never them?
How will BunHD solve the "Analog Problem"?
Dr. Paul Vincent Zecchiino
Manasota Key, Florida
21 March, 2007
800 million? Conservative. It's long and well noted there exist 5 - 10 sets per household.
Don't HD cheerleaders know that a TV set is an appliance, but radio is personal? Why not?
Customers won't appreciate TeamBLOC rendering their analog sets worthless.
What auto maker would sell cars by telling you to junk your vintage car?
Why does TeamBLOC believe rules apply solely to others, and never them?
How will BunHD solve the "Analog Problem"?
Dr. Paul Vincent Zecchiino
Manasota Key, Florida
21 March, 2007
paul vincent zecchino said:
I guesss you can store them in the closet along with the millions of VCR's (try finding super VHS or Beta tape today) and all those old turntables (Try finding new vinyl records or a stylus at any play other than a specialty store) and from the 1900's until 1948 we only had 78 RPM machines and within 10 years there were no more 78 records being made for the mass market or how about those milions of tube type electronics for which tubes are no longer available or cassettes, another technology who's time has gone or how about those old 8 track cartridge machines. Yea this has NEVER happened before.
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Mike Walker
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Come on RF, surely you know that tubes, vinyl, and even 78s live on in the world of high end audio. I've had no trouble finding tubes for my numerous tube radios. I use a tube microphone preamp in my studio, and it sounds great (a single 12ax7). Most tube-types are still being made in China, Russia, and Czechoslovakia, and they're better than the NOS you'll find at hamfests and swapmeets.
Kodak still makes standard 8mm film, but there haven't been any new cameras since 1965. I have a 1940s Brownie camera that uses 120 roll film. That's readily available. I just bought a new turntable last year, and had no trouble stocking up on spare parts to keep it running...an extra belt, extra phono cartridge, and a couple of styli. My lps will continue to be played, thank you very much.
We have a history in this country (and abroad) of not throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Old and new technologies can, and SHOULD co-exist! It's a digital world, sure. And HD (or some other digital format) will no doubt "rule". But that doesn't mean analog will go away. It won't for decades. No spectrum will be gained, as with digital tv. There's just no GOOD reason to do it!
Kodak still makes standard 8mm film, but there haven't been any new cameras since 1965. I have a 1940s Brownie camera that uses 120 roll film. That's readily available. I just bought a new turntable last year, and had no trouble stocking up on spare parts to keep it running...an extra belt, extra phono cartridge, and a couple of styli. My lps will continue to be played, thank you very much.
We have a history in this country (and abroad) of not throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Old and new technologies can, and SHOULD co-exist! It's a digital world, sure. And HD (or some other digital format) will no doubt "rule". But that doesn't mean analog will go away. It won't for decades. No spectrum will be gained, as with digital tv. There's just no GOOD reason to do it!
Re: No Point To HD Signal If Radio Is Lousy!(Or what is up "DOC")
Who the heck is "TeamBLOC"? I would suspect it's a made up term about people who you think conspire togethter to promote HD Radio? I can't speak for them, but I CAN speak for me. As far as I know there is NO "TeamBLOCK". In fact, Chuck and I are on the same side in another cause. Since I use an "Alias", he doesn't know me, but I know him. HE's a good guy. Working a noble cause. And although he has given me a hard time at times, he has always been respectful and made sense. You on the otherhand, errr... Don't fit that sdescription.
Maybe a better question would be... What government would tell you you can not use LEAD in your gas anymore? When your 58 Ford Custom REQUIRES a 90+ octane leaded fuel. Things evolve. And with them comes the end of your "FRINGE" listening. The examples of complaints from your QTH are WAY beyond normal listeners.
I guess I must be the mysterious TeamBLOCK. Again more rabid hate speak Mumbo Jumbo. Are you reading the prescription jibberish you claim to be permitted to write?
There is no selective enforcement of the FCC rules. AFAIK NO station is operating outside of the authorized parameters for Digital Radio prescribed by the FCC. If they are, they should be sanctioned appropriately by the FCC. If the line above means something else, then please feel free to clarify.
OK, I'll bite. I'm a 50 year old White guy. What (or who) the hell is BunHD?
I don't know. However let me try and address the question I think you TRIED to ask.
In short, where you live... You don't HAVE an "analog problem".
EVERYTHING protected in your area is 4th channel adjacent at worst. If you want to listen to WLW from Florida and you have a local 690 that is HD at night GUESS WHAT?
You lose.
I know it's ugly, but let's get real. Your local station sounding good is just more important than your ability to get Cincinatti.
Now the true challenge is to see if you can respond to this without making up words or throwing bombs.
What'dya say "DOC"
Clouseau
Or what ever...
paul vincent zecchino said:
Who the heck is "TeamBLOC"? I would suspect it's a made up term about people who you think conspire togethter to promote HD Radio? I can't speak for them, but I CAN speak for me. As far as I know there is NO "TeamBLOCK". In fact, Chuck and I are on the same side in another cause. Since I use an "Alias", he doesn't know me, but I know him. HE's a good guy. Working a noble cause. And although he has given me a hard time at times, he has always been respectful and made sense. You on the otherhand, errr... Don't fit that sdescription.
Maybe a better question would be... What government would tell you you can not use LEAD in your gas anymore? When your 58 Ford Custom REQUIRES a 90+ octane leaded fuel. Things evolve. And with them comes the end of your "FRINGE" listening. The examples of complaints from your QTH are WAY beyond normal listeners.
I guess I must be the mysterious TeamBLOCK. Again more rabid hate speak Mumbo Jumbo. Are you reading the prescription jibberish you claim to be permitted to write?
There is no selective enforcement of the FCC rules. AFAIK NO station is operating outside of the authorized parameters for Digital Radio prescribed by the FCC. If they are, they should be sanctioned appropriately by the FCC. If the line above means something else, then please feel free to clarify.
OK, I'll bite. I'm a 50 year old White guy. What (or who) the hell is BunHD?
I don't know. However let me try and address the question I think you TRIED to ask.
In short, where you live... You don't HAVE an "analog problem".
EVERYTHING protected in your area is 4th channel adjacent at worst. If you want to listen to WLW from Florida and you have a local 690 that is HD at night GUESS WHAT?
You lose.
I know it's ugly, but let's get real. Your local station sounding good is just more important than your ability to get Cincinatti.
Now the true challenge is to see if you can respond to this without making up words or throwing bombs.
What'dya say "DOC"
Clouseau
Or what ever...
Mike Walker said:
Didn't I mention specialty stores? I have a sumiko Blue point moving coil cartridge in my DP 60L tunr table. go to Circuit City or any other store where the typical person buys their music and tell me how many 45's or LP's you see for sale. That is what I was talking about. DVD's have taken over. Go to Blockbuster. Sure they have some VHS tapes for rent and no Beta tape, but 95% or more of their business is DVD.
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paul vincent zecchino
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"Hate speech"?
Dear lovers of good radio, see how TeamBLOC is stuck in the 90s? They get my point, their - and isn't this an old stooge-radio song? - overblown protests to the contrary.
No tubes? No vinyl? Google '6L6G', send another TeamBLOC tale to the HDumpster. No styli? Just purchased one locally. If not a stylus - as ever truthful HDBund claims they no longer exist - then what do you suppose it is? Thorn? Toothpick? Cucumber?
Why can't they tell the truth? Now BundBLOC claims readily available items don't exist? Well, they also claim 'there is no known interference from HD'. "Known" where? On Mars?
Think HD cheerleaders are shrill now? Wait until their KronyKaster paymasters dump them. Why would BigKorpse do that? Isn't that how they reward loyalty?
Do you see how they sink themselves? They object when some BigBoyKasters 'crooks', then they lie, deny, shift stories, manipulate - and sound exactly like a bunch of crooks.
What's this about 'fourth adjacents' in my area? HD jamming blasts in here like a hurricane.
What can't TeamBLOC tell the truth? We know where HD is going - to court.
In court, one's best friend, always, is the truth. And they expect listeners to believe them?
Dr. Paul Vincent Zecchino
Manasota Key, Florida
21 March, 2007
Dear lovers of good radio, see how TeamBLOC is stuck in the 90s? They get my point, their - and isn't this an old stooge-radio song? - overblown protests to the contrary.
No tubes? No vinyl? Google '6L6G', send another TeamBLOC tale to the HDumpster. No styli? Just purchased one locally. If not a stylus - as ever truthful HDBund claims they no longer exist - then what do you suppose it is? Thorn? Toothpick? Cucumber?
Why can't they tell the truth? Now BundBLOC claims readily available items don't exist? Well, they also claim 'there is no known interference from HD'. "Known" where? On Mars?
Think HD cheerleaders are shrill now? Wait until their KronyKaster paymasters dump them. Why would BigKorpse do that? Isn't that how they reward loyalty?
Do you see how they sink themselves? They object when some BigBoyKasters 'crooks', then they lie, deny, shift stories, manipulate - and sound exactly like a bunch of crooks.
What's this about 'fourth adjacents' in my area? HD jamming blasts in here like a hurricane.
What can't TeamBLOC tell the truth? We know where HD is going - to court.
In court, one's best friend, always, is the truth. And they expect listeners to believe them?
Dr. Paul Vincent Zecchino
Manasota Key, Florida
21 March, 2007
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EasyPeazy
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paul vincent zecchino said:
The only court battle HD will face is the one Kahn is working on and it will be brief. He's already lost round one and he'll lose round two too.
Like I've said before, trial lawyers chase ambulances for a reason. Pain, misery and suffering equals big payoffs. As far as I know, nobody's died or been maimed by HD Radio.
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paul vincent zecchino
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Love those pat answers! On behalf of many, keep 'em coming!
Gratefully,
Dr. Paul Vincent Zecchino
Manasota Key, Florida
21 March, 2007
Gratefully,
Dr. Paul Vincent Zecchino
Manasota Key, Florida
21 March, 2007
EasyPeazy said:
The link I posted on this thread and the quote were directly to "veteranPD"'s board post, not to the Hartford Courant's.
Carefully try the link again, and see for yourself.
No deception on my part. The quote and related link I posted at the beginning of this thread go directly to veteranPD's post, not the Courant's as you falsely claim.
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