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No Real Dance Stations Left In USA With the selling of Energy in Arizona

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FreestylePete

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Is there any true new dance or dance leaning CHR stations in America left.
KTU is no longer a dance station. Party 105.3 FM is more urban now. Energy arizona is about to be flipped. Please in 2008 send me a real dance station.
 
C89, Energy SF, Club Phusion HD.
 
Don't forget WMPH, 87.7 The Pulse out of Long Island(when they sign on), Party in Long Island is still Dance Leaning, Energy Arizona hasnt flipped and Z 88.9 is 18 hours which is still dance leaning.
 
The Pulse out of Long Island is unlistable here in Nassau County. Energy in Arizona is gonna be flipped by its new owners and Party is sound more like a urban CHR station. Z89 is a is a high school station so that doesnt really count.
 
FreestylePete said:
The Pulse out of Long Island is unlistable here in Nassau County. Energy in Arizona is gonna be flipped by its new owners and Party is sound more like a urban CHR station. Z89 is a is a high school station so that doesnt really count.

Z889 is not a high school station its a college owned station. Seattle is a high school station and they have a great listening audience. It doesnt matter if its a high school, college or commercial station. Hell our equipment is better than most commercial stations. Even our imaging was nominated for best in Philly against 2 other commercial stations. So dont give me that we its a high school station crap. Radio is radio. People listen and hear whats on the air.
 
FreestylePete said:
Z89 is a is a high school station so that doesnt really count.

Yeah you're right. They don't really count.

Billboard Magazine even agrees with you:
" Keeping Dance Music Alive in the U.S. "
Reported by CHUCK TAYLOR


"Keeping a beat in the United states is nearly impossible these days, as an entire generation grows up without exposure to dance music on the radio. Even those few commercial outlets that tip the dance card are never a sure thing: In Miami just last month, Cox's WPYM (Party 93.1) was popped like a balloon and flipped to active rock. Sigh. If there is hope to be had, it squarely points to KNHC (C89.5)."

Normally, I might agree with your statement, but C89.5 has always looked FAR beyond the fact that they are licensed to a Seattle High School. It's run professionally and it has always stayed true to it's dance roots and direction no matter what was happening to the format elsewhere. And in the end, they are the one left standing.

...but they don't really count.

http://www.c895worldwide.com/web/default.asp?page=press
http://www.c895worldwide.com/web/default.asp?page=about
 
I hope this helps, here in Chicago we have a station called 9FM on 92.5,92.7 and 99.9 during the day they have a JACK or BOB
type format, but at night from 9PM until 4:30AM(central time)sunday through friday and 8PM until 5AM on saturday they run
Dance Factory. The websites are dancefactoryradio.com or the station website is weplayanything.com. They have a listen live
link. The station is not owned by a CBS or CC type company it is owned by a local Chicago business man who is willing to try
different things on his stations. Give it a listen it similar to the ENERGY station we had in Chicago a few years back.
 
The non coms absolutely do count, they often do even better in ratings than their comerical counter parts. Also, if your gonna mention HD stations, we have Orbital 93.1-HD2 in Indianapolis, Power 96 HD2 in Miami, and I think Phillys Wired 96.5 even has a Dance Station. And stations like Chicagos Nine FM with a Night Time only Dance Program should definately be counted since the Dance accounts for about 42% of their whole programing.
 
And let us not forget our Satellite National Dance stations, which are monitored. Plus the unmonitered House/Trance stations.
 
A well programmed Non-Comm can not only compete with the Corporate Owned and Operated FM's but they can kick their rears (in their coverage area) with a little bit of progressive thinking. While my example is now 20 years past, god I'm getting old, I still bellieve that it can be done today although there are a lot of obstacles.

The key is doing it with local elements (jocks that actually go to the school) and professional imaging. To this day people still believe that my college station was a pro fm just using the campus for our tower. :)

jp
 
The example of B91 in brooklyn might be a good example but who beside Staten Island and Brooklyn where able to tune it in or even new about it.
 
FreestylePete said:
The example of B91 in brooklyn might be a good example but who beside Staten Island and Brooklyn where able to tune it in or even new about it.

So what! That is such a dumb statement. They are a local station taking care of the local community. Isnt that all stations do in some form? Some stations have bigger signals but they all fill a need. B91 is just like the station I used to run WDBK. Another 100 watt station. We had such a big following that if we said we were going to be somewhere, 30 cars would show up. Everyone of our concerts was sold out. The Top 40 station in Philly hired our jocks. WMPH is a 100 watt station that has a strong following too. Their shows are always well attended. Im so sick of people saying that a small non-com is not in the same class as a commercial station. Why cause we cant run commercials? There are just as many bad sounding commercial stations as there are non-coms.
 
No back to NY metro radio history. At the time of B91 heyday we had Hot 103/97 broadcasting the dance and freestyle hits so that was drawing all the listeners. A noncommercial radio station is important if it gets the ratings and listeners but most do not.
 
well programmed Non-commercial stations get listeners and can make a lot of money. KNHC does very well during their radio-a-thon Most non-coms werent in the arbitron books you had to go to a non profit organization(the name escapes me) to get your ratings. With PPM it doesnt matter they show both now. The only problem is you have to hit a certain number to get it. My station is super close to getting into the Philly book. Non coms have tons of listeners just look at the PPM's in Philly two non coms are in the books with a few waiting in the wings.
 
Pete,

That's exactly my point. B91 put a dent in Hot 103's numbers in the overlapping coverage area which included the southern half of Brooklyn, parts of Staten Island and a very small part of Queens on a good day. It was a 10 watt station, not 100, that received what at the time was a checkmark or plus in Arbitron for like 12 books in a row. That, according to the Arbitron documents of the day, meant that we had 1% of the audience in the market. Dude, that was the NYC book. We couldn't tell the ratings, just the plus thing, because we didn't have the funding to pay for it. But we did have money to do a local survey and that showed that we had a weekly CUME of 250,000. That, again, was with less power that your car stereo had. ;)

Anyone that lived in the coverage area of that station knows the story, if you don't you can see people's comments on www.therhythmofthecity.com where people found out about the webstation and wrote about their memories. People rigging antenas to get the station. People, including some major programmers in NYC, coming down to the area just to hear what was going on. Every store that you went into had the station on. So, maybe that was just a once in a lifetime thing but I don't believe it. Stations, regardless of size, have the chance to create a great, professional experience for the listener.

Smaller stations have some great advantages as well. They can allow personality to shine, try that at most commercial stations. There's the living on the edge live element, none of our mixshows were taped and we ran them 6 out of 7 days. Most elements at a Pro station are taped. Quirky contests that bring attention to local business. They in turn expose your station to their customers. We used to do a contest (T.A.G. - Title Artist Game) that was as simple as giving away a dozen bagels every morning and the phones would go nuts as if we were giving away a Toyota.

It's about lifestyle. Let's face it, a college kid is going to be closer to the streets than most corporate execs. They have a better shot at knowing what's hot and what their demographic is going to react to. We were always first but more importantly, we were first with hit music. Hot rarely beat us to a new record that was a hit. Anyone with old DMR magazines can check that out.

This example has always shown me that the best funded stations don't always win. It's the stations that know what their audience wants that stands the best shot at winning. And you need to be putting on a format that people actually want to hear which is much more of a problem that the size of a station.

jp
 
A small noncommercial in any major population area would and should have high numbers if done right. B91 knowing the history of the station myself am not disputed the numbers of listeners but to make it out to be better then Hot was back in the late 80s is no comparision Hot has got them beat. In all the dance music forums for house and freestyle and dance i have only a few times people mention B91 but loads of time mention Hot 103/97/ and the original KTu.
 
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