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Opinions on John Lynch's Double XX versus his XTRA Sports

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doublecashkgb

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I'd like to get some takes on what John Lynch with doing at Double XX in comparison
to his old station. In 1989 XTRA Sports began it's evolution into a full time sports
radio station, along the way it became the West Coast's gold standard for Sports
Radio.

Jim Rome, Jeannie Zelasko and others launched their sports radio careers there, famed
ABC MNF Director Chet Forte relauched his career as a "Loose Cannon". Love him or
hate him Lee Hacksaw Hamilton dominated the sports talk ratings in Southern California
for over a decade. XTRA rolled out perhaps the first and best "game day" coverage
of Chargers Football, and brought to focus future L.A. talent such as Steve Mason &, Steve Hartman.

Moreover, XTRA was an entertaining sports station. Funny and creative imaging, classic talent
feuds, and unpredictability made XTRA Sports widely imitated and very succcesful. Jacor/CC
continued for the most part in this tradition. By the late 90's XTRA was one of the highest
billing stations in San Diego. Through a series of mis-steps, CC first attempted to clone XTRA
at 1150-AM, it didn't work. Next they basically picked up the station and left for L.A., which
didn't work either. Now, 570-AM is simply another sports station, a shadow of it's distant relative:
the old XTRA Sports 690.

John Lynch had done a pretty good job with XPRS, but it seems obvious by now it will never become the ratings or industry juggernaut that XTRA-690 was. In my opinion the station is rather bland, very toned down, and very one-dimmensional. The Padres got the better end of that deal, at a time when radio ratings for Baseball are medicore at best in most markets, XX is basically talking Padres baseball from Feburary to
October for the majority of the time. Recently I tuned in after the SHawn Merriman story broke, XX was busy talking about what the Padres may or may not do next year with the bull pen. Their Charger coverage is spotty at best. Very non-aggressive, very unlike the old 690.


My analysis

Scott & BR. Two former players, neither are natural broadcasters. Very little entertainment value, they obviously have the connections and speak often to Padres & Charger players, ex-players, and local sports icons. They are flat out talking to a very narrow demographic of fan, and ignoring the casual fan. They
constantly talk about their listener parties, and take calls from their sports bar buddies and friends, which
has little appeal to the typical listener. Unlike Mason & Ireland for instance (former XTRA morning hosts and current hosts at ESPN L.A.) they don't do bits, don't interview comedians, and seem to avoid women on the show. They didn't properly use their former sports anchor, and she has left the station. I believe as Scott & BR go, so does XX. They obviously have John Lynch's blessing, and are not paying any attention to the program director or any competent talent coach.

Too Much Show (Philly Billy & Darren Smith) Maybe the closest connection to the old XTRA Sports is here. Philly Billy like Chet Forte before him knows how to work an audience and a crowd. He often has issues with the morning hosts, yet ironically Darren Smith is nothing like Philly's old partner (Steve Hartman), he seems like basically a very nice guy, with a lot of knowledge who defers to Billy way too much. The beauty of the old "Loose Cannon" format was the diverse opinions and arguments between the hosts, now it's "nice radio".
Philly Billy is a major talent, Darren needs to step it up.

The Coach Probably the most genuine sports host in radio period. Coach has of late become more outspoken, and is the perfect evening host. He's the guy who everybody likes, the big guy isn't slick or showy, but he knows San Diego sports, pro-college-prep, and he has a ton of heart.

What is the station missing?. A sense of urgency, or the feeling that at any given moment you will be suprised. XX is glumly produced, with little creativity. However the imaging person has little to work with other than Jim Rome or Philly Billy. There is little stationality, things seemed to be slapped together, it sounds like the price for the Padres rights were too high, both in monetary terms, and in programming terms.
Clearly afternoon drive needs work. Too Much show should remain noon to 4pm, but a change needs to happen for afternoons. Ted Leitner is of another generation, in his Padres role it works. As a host he's incapable of creating the kind of energy and excitement a sports station needs in afternoon drive.

I'd like to see what others think.
 
doublecashkgb said:
I'd like to get some takes on what John Lynch with doing at Double XX in comparison
to his old station. In 1989 XTRA Sports began it's evolution into a full time sports
radio station, along the way it became the West Coast's gold standard for Sports
Radio.

1986 was the year that Jacor bought Noble, and, I believe, changed management.


John Lynch had done a pretty good job with XPRS, but it seems obvious by now it will never become the ratings or industry juggernaut that XTRA-690 was. In my opinion the station is rather bland, very toned down, and very one-dimmensional.

XEPRS was the 4th highest biller in the market in 2005 and may be the second or third in 2006. Not bad for a rimshot signal that does not even cover the whole market.

Overall, it is doing better than XETRA ever did.

I think they realized that sports stations that perform well in younger, salable demos (Like The Ticket in Dallas) have to get away form play by play and into more "guy talk". Still, XEPRS has an awful lot of 65+ listening, and they have work to do to make it more 25-54, with a core of 35-44.
 
Their billing figures don't tell the whole story. Their contract with the Padres
and Lynch's sales savvy virtually assures the station of sales success with
the Padres package.

However it's also a very expensive proposition. You can't go into an arrangement
like that and simply break even. The 65 plus audience is much of the baseball audience
unfortunately.

If the Padres in the future make a deal with another station, XX's total focus on
the Padres would come back to haunt them.
 
doublecashkgb said:
Their billing figures don't tell the whole story. Their contract with the Padres
and Lynch's sales savvy virtually assures the station of sales success with
the Padres package.

However it's also a very expensive proposition. You can't go into an arrangement
like that and simply break even. The 65 plus audience is much of the baseball audience
unfortunately.

If the Padres in the future make a deal with another station, XX's total focus on
the Padres would come back to haunt them.

How many other AM-FM combos that together cover the entire market are there? No FM music station wants baseball, as it is an audience killer, and only tow AMs, KOGO and XETRA, really cover the whole market. XETRA is part of a group that never sold a station, and KOGO is not going to hurt its talk format.

So it is what it is, and is currently a top biller in the market... maybe less than $1 million form being #1.
 
You simply need to argue. Look around the country, in St Louis the Cardinals
bought their own station, nobody ever thought KMOX would lose the Cards.
Baseball rights are very fluid, just because the Padres signed with Lynch
this time doesn't mean they will again.

The latest trend is for teams to buy their own radio properties, this has
happened in Washington D.C. as well as St Louis. The old days of awarding
the PBP rights to the biggest stick are over.

Do you think that KOGO won't be bidding next time? You simply don't know what you're talking about!


Lynch thought he had the Chargers wrapped up for PBP rights a few years ago. CC came in and put the games on KIOZ. The same thing could happen with baseball.
 
doublecashkgb said:
You simply need to argue. Look around the country, in St Louis the Cardinals
bought their own station, nobody ever thought KMOX would lose the Cards.

Every report in the trades said that KMOX took a pass on renewing the deal, based on a cost that was way beyond the combined billing and promotional value of having the games.

In fact, in a number of markets, stations have held on rights or looked for a pushback and taken a pass when the team refused to negotiate. Look at who had the MLB and NFL games 10 years ago vs. today. CBS, particularly, has pushed back on rights or simply not bid.

Baseball rights are very fluid, just because the Padres signed with Lynch
this time doesn't mean they will again.

OK, one of the reasons Lynch nuked La Pantera (besides the horrible ratings) and went sports was to satisfy the team's desire for full market coverage. Who else has this kind of coverage?

The latest trend is for teams to buy their own radio properties, this has
happened in Washington D.C. as well as St Louis. The old days of awarding
the PBP rights to the biggest stick are over.

The fact is that fewer stations are even bidding, as there is no profit... the money comes in the front door and out the back. For decadees, stations that could not make money on MLB were brokering the time: guaranteed cash flow, and no rights. The teams sold and marketed the games in a package that includes other media and in-stadium advertising.

Do you think that KOGO won't be bidding next time? You simply don't know what you're talking about!

I really doubt it. How many dominant Clear Channel news talk stations have an MLB team: just 3 (Denver, Cincinnati and Cleveland) and these are heritage affiliations. I really doubt KOGO would take the Padres as it reduces inventory and there is really no profit in it.

Lynch thought he had the Chargers wrapped up for PBP rights a few years ago. CC came in and put the games on KIOZ. The same thing could happen with baseball.

Football games are once a week and short. There are about 180 games in a ball season and remember most contracts require pre-season which often is in a different time zone and ruins daytime programming weekdays. Football has very young, salable demos. Baseball on the radio is mostly 55+, and there are fewer and fewer advertisers who want to buy a sponsorship.

A single football game on a Sunday often makes "cume sampling" sense on an FM. A bunch of 3 to 4 hour long ball games does not.
 
Jacor did not come to the San Diego market until the late '90s. I think you mean 1996. XTRA morphed into a sports station from all-news, some time in late 1991.

OldGringo said:
doublecashkgb said:
I'd like to get some takes on what John Lynch with doing at Double XX in comparison
to his old station. In 1989 XTRA Sports began it's evolution into a full time sports
radio station, along the way it became the West Coast's gold standard for Sports
Radio.

1986 was the year that Jacor bought Noble, and, I believe, changed management.


John Lynch had done a pretty good job with XPRS, but it seems obvious by now it will never become the ratings or industry juggernaut that XTRA-690 was. In my opinion the station is rather bland, very toned down, and very one-dimmensional.

XEPRS was the 4th highest biller in the market in 2005 and may be the second or third in 2006. Not bad for a rimshot signal that does not even cover the whole market.

Overall, it is doing better than XETRA ever did.

I think they realized that sports stations that perform well in younger, salable demos (Like The Ticket in Dallas) have to get away form play by play and into more "guy talk". Still, XEPRS has an awful lot of 65+ listening, and they have work to do to make it more 25-54, with a core of 35-44.
 
Garrett said:
Jacor did not come to the San Diego market until the late '90s. I think you mean 1996. XTRA morphed into a sports station from all-news, some time in late 1991.

Yeah, my typo. Per Duncan's American Radio 2001, in 1996 Noble sold to Jacor. $22 million for the AM and $24.6 for the FM.

Compare that to the 1998 sale of KKLQ and KJQY by Jacor to Heftel for $65 million.

Or the 1996 sale of Lotus' KFSD for $23 million. In the same busy year, Brown sold KPOP and KGB to Natinwide for $44 million. Or KOGO from Par to Jacor for $4 million. KBZT from Anaheim to Jefferson Pilot for $30 million, and KCEO and KUPR to Nationwide for $32 million. KSDO from Gannet to Jacor for $15 million and KKBH for $20 from the same parites. KCBQ from Par to Jacor for $1.2 million, KIOZ from Par to Jacor for $25 million and KKLQ from Par to JAcor for $41 million. All these were in the first year of consolidation.

Only 6 were sold the next year, including the disposal of KCBQ and KCEO by Jacor.
 
----->Jacor did not come to the San Diego market until the late '90s. I think you mean 1996. XTRA morphed into a sports station from all-news, some time in late 1991.


No, no, no, no.

XETRA dropped all news in the 60s, when KFWB, KSDO and KNX all went all news.

XETRA was elevator music, top 40, etc in the meantime.
 
Do you think that KOGO won't be bidding next time? You simply don't know what you're talking about!

I really doubt it. How many dominant Clear Channel news talk stations have an MLB team: just 3 (Denver, Cincinnati and Cleveland) and these are heritage affiliations. I really doubt KOGO would take the Padres as it reduces inventory and there is really no profit in it.

FYI.... Don't forget about Houston. KTRH has had the Astros in their latest run since 1998 and have had them off and on for over the past 25 years. Also, Clear Channel had the Devil Rays on their Tampa N/T leader WFLA for their first five years. Then when they renegotiated CC relegated them to their number 3 AM, 1250 WHNZ, which is mainly brokered and financial talk. CC also has had the Braves on an AM/FM simulcast for the past two seasons.
 
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