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OT--UPN & WB Merger...who's left out WUAB or WBNX?

But the name still stinks!!!

> Since this double posted I will just add.. Maybe the 24
> Action News Channel
>
What exactly does the CW stand for? Country and Western? You'd think that two creative organizations like CBS and Warner Bros could come up with something better than the CW!
 
Re: What about this... :)

I remeber fondly the days of WAKR and WEWS both carrying ABC.

Maybe WBNX can be Akron's CW and WUAB can be Cleveland's CW.
I would love to see 55 do an Akron newscast....

It's about as likely as the Browns winning Super Bowl 41...
 
Re: I'm with OA...

> Sorry folks, but I'm with OA all the way on this one. The
> suits in NYC and LA have no idea who Ernest Angley is and
> probably do not care that 55 is the better station of the
> two.

I doubt that the suits in NYC and LA "have no idea who Ernest Angley is". He's been a nationally televised preacher for nearly 30 years. Robin Williams used to do a schtick about him 15 years ago.

The suits know who Angley is.

And it doesn't play in his favor.
 
Re: I'm with OA...

> I doubt that the suits in NYC and LA "have no idea who
> Ernest Angley is". He's been a nationally televised
> preacher for nearly 30 years. Robin Williams used to do a
> schtick about him 15 years ago.
>
> The suits know who Angley is.
>
> And it doesn't play in his favor.

WBNX: the local version of ABC Family. Only Ernest hasn't used his station to publicly state that (insert political figure's illness or devasting weather event of your choice) is because of their disregard to (insert whatever off-the-wall thing you can think of).

:)
 
Re: I'm with OA...

> WBNX: the local version of ABC Family. Only Ernest hasn't
> used his station to publicly state that (insert political
> figure's illness or devasting weather event of your choice)
> is because of their disregard to (insert whatever
> off-the-wall thing you can think of).
>
> :)

Are you kidding? If Ernie did that, his toupee salesman would disown him!
 
Re: But the name still stinks!!!

> > Since this double posted I will just add.. Maybe the 24
> > Action News Channel
> >
> What exactly does the CW stand for? Country and Western?
> You'd think that two creative organizations like CBS and
> Warner Bros could come up with something better than the CW!
>


Even spelling out the Network's Name..CBS-Warner..Would sound better than CW!
 
Re: What $$$ Gots To Do With It

To clarify a few things:

When I referenced June, it was because by then, 55 would have poached Fraiser and Friends off of 43's schedule.

My whole point in all of this is WBNX is trying to be an actual TV station, not a billboard for another station.

OA (kudos, by the way, for doing your homework on this) researched all of Raycom's UPN affiliates, and except for here and Honolulu, they are all LP stations.

So it's not like they have this huge clump of stations that CW just has to have for viability.

Raycom wouldn't sweat having 43 as an indie--just more time to promote their real meal ticket--19.

55, however, would pretty much lose their whole identity if they had to go indie, thus that is why I think they will bend over backwards to keep CW.

I think in the end, 55 will be CW, they would just want it more and do what it takes to get it.
 
Re: I'm with OA...

> > Sorry folks, but I'm with OA all the way on this one. The
>
> > suits in NYC and LA have no idea who Ernest Angley is and
> > probably do not care that 55 is the better station of the
> > two.
>
> I doubt that the suits in NYC and LA "have no idea who
> Ernest Angley is". He's been a nationally televised
> preacher for nearly 30 years. Robin Williams used to do a
> schtick about him 15 years ago.

CanWest Global System (CIII/3- Toronto, among other stations) had carried 90 and 9 in the past. Don't know if that's the case today, but he and his toupee have an INTERNATIONAL presence.

> The suits know who Angley is.
>
> And it doesn't play in his favor.

Look, WUAB gave up the WB because they couldn't handle both the WB and UPN, and the Indians and Cavs games. It landed on WBNX as they were the only open station in the market - WQHS/61 was still owned by HSN, WVPX/23 was by then a Paxson property, and WAOH-LP/29-WAX-LP/35 are LP stations that don't have a huge presence on cable. WBNX was the best possible option, with or without 90 and 9, and they've taken advantage.

But 90 and 9 is a serious liablity for a CW affil. The only way WBNX gets CW is if WUAB and Raycom botch it- very badly. And there's no way it CAN'T happen here.

- Nathan Obral
 
Full Power vs. Low Power, Raycom and WUAB

> OA (kudos, by the way, for doing your homework on this)
> researched all of Raycom's UPN affiliates, and except for
> here and Honolulu, they are all LP stations.
>
> So it's not like they have this huge clump of stations that
> CW just has to have for viability.

But as I noted in that rundown, I'm not so sure it really matters that the UPN stations in the Raycom lineup are nearly all LPTVers.

One big consideration: Below the top 50 markets, there a LOT of LPTV affiliates for UPN and WB. I don't have a week to go through the list, but I suspect maybe half of UPN/WB's smaller market affiliates are LPTVers or rimshot full-power stations. Or for that matter, cable-only channels and/or digital subchannels.

It's just a consequence of the TV landscape in markets that size, which often have only three full power commercial stations. Even some FOX affiliates are LPTVers, like the pair in Youngstown. When the "new networks" came calling, there weren't any full-power stations left, and unlike FOX, UPN/WB hasn't been able to leverage affiliation changes with long-standing ABC/CBS/NBC stations.

It only really becomes a problem for Raycom in two markets - Syracuse and Cape Girardeau MO. And the latter is a tiny market. In both places, Raycom's LPTV UPN affiliate has a Sinclair WB affiliate against it, and Sinclair is likely to fight pretty hard to keep the "CW Network" affiliation there.

The other part here - Raycom has full-power CBS affiliates in a number of markets (including here), which may be important to the CBS-connected folks at "CW". Again, an existing business relationship...and the CBS end of things seems to count more than the WB/Time Warner end of things.

The smart money has Raycom moving to lock up "The CW" for all its UPN/WB stations, with Cleveland as a lynchpin market (full power, strong affiliate, top 20 market).

But as the Beacon's R.D. Heldenfels notes today, it's not smooth sailing at "UPN 43", given the new network's Saturday daytime schedule possibly bumping WUAB's infomercials, and Cavaliers games possibly bumping CW Network programming. WOIO/WUAB's Bill Applegate also brings up the question of network compensation, and wonders if CW will even do it.

Except for one thing - network compensation is basically going to go away on all levels, from ABC/CBS/NBC on down. My gut tells me that the mention is a negotiating ploy by Applegate to get the best possible terms out of "The CW".

-OA<P ID="signature">______________
Ohio Media Watch - <a target="_blank" href=http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com>http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com</a></P>
 
Re: I'm with OA...

> I doubt that the suits in NYC and LA "have no idea who
> Ernest Angley is". He's been a nationally televised
> preacher for nearly 30 years. Robin Williams used to do a
> schtick about him 15 years ago.
>
> The suits know who Angley is.
>
> And it doesn't play in his favor.
>



I think you took my wording too literally :) My point here is simple. Angley has no clout. His company does not own any other other stations as far as I know. Does WBNX have much clout within the WB's affilation group??? I doubt it. The suits are not familiar with "Winston Broadcasting" and I doubt they know Mr. Angley personally let alone anybody within his company. OTOH, they do know Raycom, and Raycom does have network clout and has advertising connections. Again, WBNX does not. The ad execs will play with Raycom, there is familarity there, there is none with Angley. Perhaps this a reason WBNX has struggled with their sales. They do not have sales experience like Raycom has.

I give WBNX lots of credit, I think they have done a great job with the station but in the end, Winston Broadcasting/Ernest Angley does not hold a candle to Raycom, no matter how bad Raycom has been when it to comes to its Cleveland duopoly.
 
Re: What about this... :)

> I remeber fondly the days of WAKR and WEWS both carrying
> ABC.
>
> Maybe WBNX can be Akron's CW and WUAB can be Cleveland's CW.
>
> I would love to see 55 do an Akron newscast....
>
> It's about as likely as the Browns winning Super Bowl 41...
>

And as likely as, say, Gannett reacquiring WVPX outright, and making 23 an Akron NBC affil.

- Nathan Obral
 
Re: But the name still stinks!!!

> > > Since this double posted I will just add.. Maybe the 24
> > > Action News Channel
> > >
> > What exactly does the CW stand for? Country and
> Western?
> > You'd think that two creative organizations like CBS and
>
> > Warner Bros could come up with something better than the
> CW!
> >
>
>
> Even spelling out the Network's Name..CBS-Warner..Would
> sound better than CW!

I'll go out on a limb. Within five years, the name will revert to the WB.

- Nathan Obral
 
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