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OVERNIGHT-PREDAWN WEATHER COVERAGE:WBAP YUCKS IT UP, KRLD IS ON TOP OF THE STORM
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MikeShannon914
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I can't count...you mean ME?!?!?!?
I patted everyone ELSE on the back, because they deserved such. My arm's just fine, thanks for asking. I could have sworn that I took the appropriate, correct, self-DEFecating route there. I'll take another look-see. Valium's currently under the tongue and sinking into my bloodstream as we speak. In fact, I akll';lsaa.lkap xopla__-90p-_______zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....
I patted everyone ELSE on the back, because they deserved such. My arm's just fine, thanks for asking. I could have sworn that I took the appropriate, correct, self-DEFecating route there. I'll take another look-see. Valium's currently under the tongue and sinking into my bloodstream as we speak. In fact, I akll';lsaa.lkap xopla__-90p-_______zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....
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spinderella
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lbates said:Grant Chester is superb. You need to reread what I wrote. I said "very very few exceptions" Count Ellie Hogue, Lance Ligess, and the Departed Scott Crowder as the others. The should have flipped locally when the storms approached not after the passing. The Mt network could still feed to its affiliates and xm. Why Xm has them on beats me. It's never been the same when Bill Mack was hosting it, and it remains a far superior product than now. Lastily sorry guys Eric and Gary were still on at 3:33am cdt. The clock is set with the bureau of standards in Boulder.
Sorry man it sounded like you were saying anybody who works for Metro is worthless. There are lots of good people who work for Metro.
Re: OVERNIGHT-PREDAWN WEATHER COVERAGE:WBAP YUCKS IT UP, KRLD IS ON TOP OF THE S
To lbates, again, it was impossible to turn on the radio at 3:33am and hear Eric and Gary. As with most nationally syndicated shows they have a hard break at the bottom of the hour, that must hit for their affiliates. As is promoted on the show, from 3:33am to 3:35am they are in national weather as they were
Thursday morning. At 3:33am when you claim Eric and Gary were talking, Bob Crowley was doing national weather. Wow, how ironic. The bottom of the hour break ends around 38:30. I am not here to debate when local weather coverage should have begun as everyone will have their own opinion, and whether you like this version of the show or Bill Mack is again, your opinion. I am simply pointing out that your statements of facts are wrong. Thanks
To lbates, again, it was impossible to turn on the radio at 3:33am and hear Eric and Gary. As with most nationally syndicated shows they have a hard break at the bottom of the hour, that must hit for their affiliates. As is promoted on the show, from 3:33am to 3:35am they are in national weather as they were
Thursday morning. At 3:33am when you claim Eric and Gary were talking, Bob Crowley was doing national weather. Wow, how ironic. The bottom of the hour break ends around 38:30. I am not here to debate when local weather coverage should have begun as everyone will have their own opinion, and whether you like this version of the show or Bill Mack is again, your opinion. I am simply pointing out that your statements of facts are wrong. Thanks
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Andyf101
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Re: OVERNIGHT-PREDAWN WEATHER COVERAGE:WBAP YUCKS IT UP, KRLD IS ON TOP OF THE S
Unless you were actually awake and tuned in to WBAP at that time, your explanation doesn'r hold any water. You're going by a normally scheduled break clock. Ibates is going by what he/she actually heard. How you use your explanation for proof, is moot.
Andy
mcbills said:To lbates, again, it was impossible to turn on the radio at 3:33am and hear Eric and Gary. As with most nationally syndicated shows they have a hard break at the bottom of the hour, that must hit for their affiliates. As is promoted on the show, from 3:33am to 3:35am they are in national weather as they were
Thursday morning. At 3:33am when you claim Eric and Gary were talking, Bob Crowley was doing national weather. Wow, how ironic. The bottom of the hour break ends around 38:30. I am not here to debate when local weather coverage should have begun as everyone will have their own opinion, and whether you like this version of the show or Bill Mack is again, your opinion. I am simply pointing out that your statements of facts are wrong. Thanks
Unless you were actually awake and tuned in to WBAP at that time, your explanation doesn'r hold any water. You're going by a normally scheduled break clock. Ibates is going by what he/she actually heard. How you use your explanation for proof, is moot.
Andy
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DoogieDown1
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I'm a weather geek, and my dad has been a Skywarn volunteer in DFW since the 70's. So I'm guilty of being overly concerned with (and overly educated on) this topic.
Some will probably feel that I'm being too critical (or you might dismiss me as a purist): But I'm sorry... doing EAS warnings "by the book" and offering damage coverage after the fact isn't something worth bragging about. From looking at Tyler's post, it appears to me that WBAP has ramped up its severe storm coverage from what it has offered in the past. And that's a welcome development.
But we are certainly not at the point where WBAP can be mentioned in the same breath as Brad Barton and KRLD.
During a tornado, minutes (indeed, seconds) count. And Brad Barton doesn't wait for EAS warnings. He hears them being called in from ham radio spotters to the weather service, and he immediately reports them on the air. That's as good (and fast) as it gets. Plus, Barton understands how to read the radar and anticipate where things are headed.
Damage reports are nice (and I'm as interested in them as anyone). But the tornado is what kills you. Not the damage (unless you're in the habit of grabbing downed power lines by the tail). Listening to Brad Barton gives DFW residents the best chance of surviving a tornado. And that's pretty important to understand.
A sidenote: There was a brief tornado that hit Arlington a few years back (just a bit south of I-30, if I remember correctly). During that event, I was watching Ch. 4's video while producing KVIL's evening show. I was floored when I saw a classic doppler radar inflow hook appear on the TV screen. It was almost perfectly circular. I don't think I've ever witnessed (live) a better visual radar indication of a tornado than what was being broadcast on Ch. 4 at that moment. We were in the middle of a song or a spot break, so I unmuted the TV. And Ch. 4's meteorologist (don't remember which one) didn't even mention it! There was no recognition whatsoever. He just continued bantering along about the generally serious situation underway. Meanwhile, a tornado was indeed touching down in Arlington.
By the next morning, someone at Ch. 4 had apparently discovered that video, and so the morning meteorologist was showing what the radar looked like as the tornado hit. It was the same radar image I had seen the previous evening. Unfortunately, that wasn't of much help when it happened.
I don't mean to knock every TV meteorologist in town, but I do mean to say that there is an extremely dependable guy on the radio. If I'm in the path of a storm, I'm going to trust Brad Barton.
Some will probably feel that I'm being too critical (or you might dismiss me as a purist): But I'm sorry... doing EAS warnings "by the book" and offering damage coverage after the fact isn't something worth bragging about. From looking at Tyler's post, it appears to me that WBAP has ramped up its severe storm coverage from what it has offered in the past. And that's a welcome development.
But we are certainly not at the point where WBAP can be mentioned in the same breath as Brad Barton and KRLD.
During a tornado, minutes (indeed, seconds) count. And Brad Barton doesn't wait for EAS warnings. He hears them being called in from ham radio spotters to the weather service, and he immediately reports them on the air. That's as good (and fast) as it gets. Plus, Barton understands how to read the radar and anticipate where things are headed.
Damage reports are nice (and I'm as interested in them as anyone). But the tornado is what kills you. Not the damage (unless you're in the habit of grabbing downed power lines by the tail). Listening to Brad Barton gives DFW residents the best chance of surviving a tornado. And that's pretty important to understand.
A sidenote: There was a brief tornado that hit Arlington a few years back (just a bit south of I-30, if I remember correctly). During that event, I was watching Ch. 4's video while producing KVIL's evening show. I was floored when I saw a classic doppler radar inflow hook appear on the TV screen. It was almost perfectly circular. I don't think I've ever witnessed (live) a better visual radar indication of a tornado than what was being broadcast on Ch. 4 at that moment. We were in the middle of a song or a spot break, so I unmuted the TV. And Ch. 4's meteorologist (don't remember which one) didn't even mention it! There was no recognition whatsoever. He just continued bantering along about the generally serious situation underway. Meanwhile, a tornado was indeed touching down in Arlington.
By the next morning, someone at Ch. 4 had apparently discovered that video, and so the morning meteorologist was showing what the radar looked like as the tornado hit. It was the same radar image I had seen the previous evening. Unfortunately, that wasn't of much help when it happened.
I don't mean to knock every TV meteorologist in town, but I do mean to say that there is an extremely dependable guy on the radio. If I'm in the path of a storm, I'm going to trust Brad Barton.
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DoogieDown1
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By the way... on a tangent: Both the TV and the Radio reporters in this town are participating in some extremely unwise storm chasing. I kid you not, folks: someone is going to get hurt (if not killed).
This may seem like simple logic, but you don't report on a storm by getting ahead of it. You stay behind it. I believe it was a Ch. 21 reporter the other night who drove to Decatur and was doing a live report on the air as radar was indicating that the supercell's major center of rotation was approaching his location. Meteorologist Garry Seith conducted a Q&A with the reporter while this radar image dominated the TV screen. Maybe Seith had already advised the reporter to seek a safe location from which to call in his report, but I doubt it. Because if you were going to put any effort into keeping your reporter safe, then the first thing you'd do is help him find a location that's not in the direct path of the storm's rotation (I'm just sayin'... !). Luckily there was no touchdown at that point, and the rotation stayed just south of Decatur. But, during Seith's Q&A, there was no way to know the future path of the storm's rotation would miss downtown Decatur.
This may seem like simple logic, but you don't report on a storm by getting ahead of it. You stay behind it. I believe it was a Ch. 21 reporter the other night who drove to Decatur and was doing a live report on the air as radar was indicating that the supercell's major center of rotation was approaching his location. Meteorologist Garry Seith conducted a Q&A with the reporter while this radar image dominated the TV screen. Maybe Seith had already advised the reporter to seek a safe location from which to call in his report, but I doubt it. Because if you were going to put any effort into keeping your reporter safe, then the first thing you'd do is help him find a location that's not in the direct path of the storm's rotation (I'm just sayin'... !). Luckily there was no touchdown at that point, and the rotation stayed just south of Decatur. But, during Seith's Q&A, there was no way to know the future path of the storm's rotation would miss downtown Decatur.
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Andyf101
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I agree, Brad is second to none. KRLD should be grateful for having him.
Regarding EAS... I'm guessing WBAP only uses that system for weather (along with KSCS of course) because the station is the primary. I remember when KRLD was the old EBS primary, and they did use the system back then for weather. I don't recall for sure, but I don't think Brad had quite reached his current rank back then.
I wonder if being the primary, has a bit of a disadvantage with respect to weather reporting. Essentially, the primary more or less has to break into its own weather coverage programming, to relay the EAS.
Andy
Regarding EAS... I'm guessing WBAP only uses that system for weather (along with KSCS of course) because the station is the primary. I remember when KRLD was the old EBS primary, and they did use the system back then for weather. I don't recall for sure, but I don't think Brad had quite reached his current rank back then.
I wonder if being the primary, has a bit of a disadvantage with respect to weather reporting. Essentially, the primary more or less has to break into its own weather coverage programming, to relay the EAS.
Andy
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DoogieDown1
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I wonder if being the primary, has a bit of a disadvantage with respect to weather reporting. Essentially, the primary more or less has to break into its own weather coverage programming, to relay the EAS.
The main disadvantage is if the EAS itself is your first on-air notification of a Tornado Warning. If you are monitoring storm spotters and immediately report a funnel touchdown when you hear it on the scanner, then your obligation to sound the EAS a few minutes later isn't harming anything.
But is WBAP obligated to sound the "official" EAS recording? Or can an anchor verbally announce the NWS has issued the warning?
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MikeShannon914
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Far as I know, WBAP is the official, primary Emergency Alert System carrier for DFW. They get it first, then rebroadcast the report to all the other stations in DFW. That's why you might hear Bob Crowley or Scott Crowder's voice being piped in over other stations (especially the ones on automation.)
And as far as this thing with who's right or wrong about WBAP's coverage, why on earth would Tyler stick his neck out on this if he wasn't telling the truth? Like WBAP's not running a logger tape or something? I'm sure his list of facts can be backed up with audio archives of the chain of events.
And as far as this thing with who's right or wrong about WBAP's coverage, why on earth would Tyler stick his neck out on this if he wasn't telling the truth? Like WBAP's not running a logger tape or something? I'm sure his list of facts can be backed up with audio archives of the chain of events.
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lonestar32
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To Andy101, I don't know about the other guy who posted but I am up all night and listen to the midnight radio network. I was listening at 3:33am and just like clockwork, Bob Crowley was doing national weather. The break was normal and just seconds into Eric and Gary's next segment around 3:40am WBAP went wall to wall. Also Ibates clearly was not listening because surrounding that 3:30 news and weather break they were talking weather and John McCain and not trucking. Just like the other guy I'm not gonna debate opinion, but let me state this again, YOUR FACTS ARE WRONG!!!!
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lbates
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MikeShannon914 said:lbates said:Grant Chester is superb. You need to reread what I wrote. I said "very very few exceptions" Count Ellie Hogue, Lance Ligess, and the Departed Scott Crowder as the others.
You forgot JIM RYAN, perhaps the hardest-working reporter in local radio...who also covers plenty of stories for ABC Radio. Forgetting one or two slights the whole group--and I don't know a bad one in the bunch, no matter who writes their paychecks. Add Rick Hadley, Freda Ross-Findley, Bob Leonard, Amy Chodroff, Susan Darwin, Randy Williams, Christopher Landers, John Pendolino, Bob Crowley, John Scott and Dan Lewis to that list. Bryan Lundberg, Steve Cumming, Jack Hines, Dan Potter, Mike Hambrick and several others have passed through the doors there during my tenure, and all are top notch as well.
Yeah, of course, I'm going to be biased...but after five years of listening to these folks and working with them every single weekday, day in and day out, over weeks, months and years, you get an idea of how well folks do their jobs, and if their efforts are credible and responsible and accurate...and this group accomplishes that and then some. And you don't see any newbies or kids running the show there, or "warm bodies" filling up space--these are all experienced reporters and anchors. Let me tell you a story about the 19 yr old kid who worked at traffic and now anchors overnights at KRLD...fresh out of ABS and maybe 9 months of on-air--doing traffic reports--before hiring on at KRLD. Sure, I'm all for giving people a chance, but I'd rather get my news from someone who's lived it, gets it, and understands what I need to know about it. Even with the best pipes in the world, rip-and-read just doesn't cut it.
Rick Hadley emailed me five years ago right after the "Russ Incident," and wanted an audition tape. I laugh now at how green I was then, and how un-ready I was for a job in the news dept there...but, five years later, and literally 50,000 traffic reports later, I still have doubts that I could hang with the big dogs at WBAP. That's a job you work UP to...you don't sign on hoping to get experience or just to have something pretty on your resume. You have to be ready to be one of the best.
Understand, too, that ABC could have dumped out of any news effort at WBAP 14 years ago when they took Rush away from KLIF and began building a talk-heavy format...but they didn't. Having two strong news stations going at it actually makes the product BETTER. That's what that long-lost concept of "competition" generally does.
Jim Ryan, is superb..not metro however nor is Susan Darwin but she hosts and doesnt do news,but a great lady al lthe same. The others you mentioned are for the most part gone, and the producers don't factor in,because they do not do news. You illustrated my point though, many of the NEWS REPORTERS are no longer there.
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Andyf101
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DoogieDown1 said:But is WBAP obligated to sound the "official" EAS recording? Or can an anchor verbally announce the NWS has issued the warning?
They (WBAP) do. After the header codes & old EBS tone, you hear a live person who states the NWS has issued a _____________________ for _______________________ (the actual warning followed with the counties list).
Andy
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Andyf101
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lonestar32 said:To Andy101, I don't know about the other guy who posted but I am up all night and listen to the midnight radio network. I was listening at 3:33am and just like clockwork, Bob Crowley was doing national weather. The break was normal and just seconds into Eric and Gary's next segment around 3:40am WBAP went wall to wall. Also Ibates clearly was not listening because surrounding that 3:30 news and weather break they were talking weather and John McCain and not trucking. Just like the other guy I'm not gonna debate opinion, but let me state this again, YOUR FACTS ARE WRONG!!!!
In case you didn't notice, Ibates is not the only one who gave a detailed description of what was heard broadcast at that time. Both descriptions appear identical, so I hardly think your own account is 100% correct. The yelling at the end of your post makes you look somewhat immature.
Andy
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Andyf101
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MikeShannon914 said:And as far as this thing with who's right or wrong about WBAP's coverage, why on earth would Tyler stick his neck out on this if he wasn't telling the truth? Like WBAP's not running a logger tape or something? I'm sure his list of facts can be backed up with audio archives of the chain of events.
Mike,
It's not unusual for even someone in the know, to be wrong on occasion. I've had my own similar issues. I once had a cheif engineer blast me for doing something he didn't approve. But rather than be specific, he simply tried to make me look bad, and claimed what I had done was not done right. Funny thing is, I had just activated the piece of equipment right in front of him, before he went into his rant. Then there was another technician who misunderstood a request I had made. I asked him to connect a SPDIF cable from a DAT machine output into a CD recorder input. I even had the necessary cable in hand for that purpose. But he wasn't buying it, and wasted his time buying another cable. The only difference between his cable and mine, was the fact that mine was a single RCA to RCA connector, and the one he bought was a dual connector. Duh!
Andy
Andyf101 said:I asked him to connect a SPDIF cable from a DAT machine output into a CD recorder input. I even had the necessary cable in hand for that purpose. But he wasn't buying it, and wasted his time buying another cable. The only difference between his cable and mine, was the fact that mine was a single RCA to RCA connector, and the one he bought was a dual connector. Duh!
Andy
WTF????????
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Andyf101
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tubetop1 said:Andyf101 said:I asked him to connect a SPDIF cable from a DAT machine output into a CD recorder input. I even had the necessary cable in hand for that purpose. But he wasn't buying it, and wasted his time buying another cable. The only difference between his cable and mine, was the fact that mine was a single RCA to RCA connector, and the one he bought was a dual connector. Duh!
Andy
WTF????????
What I described is very obvious to the folks who have experience with this type of equipment. An SPDIF connection from the DAT machine to the CD recorder, allows you to make a clone CD of a DAT tape recording.
Andy
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lbates
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Nope McBills, the atomic clock is accurate with WWV, etc. It was 3:33a, and yes I realize it was close to their bottom hour break. I reported what took place accurately. I was surprised becasue i fully expected WBAP to be in that mode and inform me of what was happening in my community. I was very disappointed they didn't and KRLD did.
Mike I respect Tyler Cox a helluva lot, but before 4a his information is not totally correct logger tape or not, Don't forget powere was"flickering" over there according to Eric and Gary, so it could have offset the timing of the tape.MAYBE I don't know for sure.. None the less KRLD did a better job DURING THE STORM when it was needed. I agree competiton makes things better and If Tyler is the same Tyler during his first tour of duty there he will right the ship and see that WBAP is on top of it when potential dangerous weather strikes when it hits,not the aftermath.
Lastly Metro has a FEW persons on their payroll who do news,becasue a station is too cheap to pay them. Of that FEW perhaps 1-3 do a very good job in actually doing news,and keeping it fresh. The others are plain "rip and read"
Mike I respect Tyler Cox a helluva lot, but before 4a his information is not totally correct logger tape or not, Don't forget powere was"flickering" over there according to Eric and Gary, so it could have offset the timing of the tape.MAYBE I don't know for sure.. None the less KRLD did a better job DURING THE STORM when it was needed. I agree competiton makes things better and If Tyler is the same Tyler during his first tour of duty there he will right the ship and see that WBAP is on top of it when potential dangerous weather strikes when it hits,not the aftermath.
Lastly Metro has a FEW persons on their payroll who do news,becasue a station is too cheap to pay them. Of that FEW perhaps 1-3 do a very good job in actually doing news,and keeping it fresh. The others are plain "rip and read"
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