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OVERNIGHT-PREDAWN WEATHER COVERAGE:WBAP YUCKS IT UP, KRLD IS ON TOP OF THE STORM

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lbates

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At 3;25a the tornado sirens go off in Tarrant county,and I get woken up. I tune to WBAP and there I hear Gary yucking it up with Eric about their lights flickering ,and the storm "looks strong", then back to some truck talk, non weather related. I tune over to KRLD,andBrad Barton is on the iar, detailing with reporters in the field describing their are tranformers popping off due to fallen trees in my arte of Tarrant. The NEWS team from KRLD is reporting from Hurst, LBJ and Stemmons, Richardson, Johnson county with torn roofs ,uproated trees. Meanwhile back at WBAP, once the particular storm moved over my home,was airing a spot for "rotella T" and back to telling jokes.....simply amazing. Citadel you are doing a fine job in keeping the community informed!
 
pbf1 said:
One's a talk station, and the other is a NEWS station.
So which one is which?

The Midnight Trucking Show is nationally syndicated, so breaking away within their own show to talk about li'l ol' DFW's not of interest to most of the nation. Now WBAP could have gone to their own local coverage instead and foregone the MTS, of course, but I assume they didn't. By 5AM, the entire 'BAP news team was out in the field, covering the damage from all angles, and have been all morning. Regular morning news features were all suspended.

Recall, too, that KRLD has ignored inclement weather many times in the past while they were running Texas Rangers games. So, really, it's just a tradeoff...WBAP gets the jump sometimes, KRLD the others. For me, I'd go to the web, TV, or (best of all) listen to the Skywarn channels on a scanner to get the most up-to-date and dependable info.

Also consider that KRLD has full use of sister KTVT's resources...and WBAP no longer has a TV "sister" (except for occasional sharing with WFAA,) so that gives KRLD an advantage.

Perhaps in the old days (pre-1994,) WBAP would have gone wall-to-wall with news even earlier than ever KRLD, but yes, they are really more of a talk station nowadays than anything else...so that sense of obligation is not like the WBAP of old.
 
KRLD almost never uses anything from 11 during severe storms and everybody knows it.
KRLD has had their own weather center since the early 90's and everybody knows that, too.
And which Rangers games did they ignore bad weather? I remember them breaking in all the time.
And good luck hearing any weather coverage on WBAP during Limbaugh...or Hannity...or the Stars.
WBAP is great entertainment but hasn't been big in weather since they dropped Channel 5. Everybody knows that, too including Tyler Cox.
 
I have a feeling Brad Barton actually keeps a residence and gets his mail in the KRLD break room, as he's always on there.

With the case of the Mighty 820, the quality of weather coverage pre 5am has become substandard, as they like to tentpole MTN, When Bill Mack was running the show overnights, we didnt have alot of these issues.
 
Hmmmm.....what? I'm going to kind of agree with Mike Shannon and as I'm not the Einstein on this board, can someone clue me into what I heard when 'Bap went to wall to wall simulcast coverage with channel 8 about 3:30 and then I heard Hal hop on somewhere between 4:00 and 4:30?
And I admit I'm a P1 for Rush and Sean and I hear all the time the EAS breaking into those shows and then the local news guy always follows that up with a live Q&A with someone from the Weather Channel or WFAA....and then they join Rush/Sean in progress.....so I miss some of my shows.
And ask the Stars how happy they are when they break in during Stars games with EAS and weather coverage. I have heard it's not a good feeling coming from the folks who own the ice
Again, it's not the same as having a Barton in the building.....but it's not quite the "ignoring" of weather that many are saying
 
There is opinion (“WBAP yucks it up”). And there is fact:

Facts:

• Between 2:16am and 4:25am, WBAP originated 14 EAS weather warnings. Every warning was followed with extended information.
• Steve McCauley, meteorologist with WFAA and our TV partner, was on the air exclusively devoted to providing WBAP listeners with weather content all night.
• At 3:30am, right after the tornado warning was issued in Tarrant County, WBAP began airing a non-stop and commercial-free combination of reports from our staff and live coverage simulcast with WFAA-TV.
• At 4:15am, Hal Jay and the WBAP Morning News team began their program 45-minutes early. Complete coverage with reporters in the field, and that coverage continued throughout the morning.

I’m not posting here to argue whether WBAP’s coverage was better or worse than KRLD’s. I know Brad Barton and the KRLD team, and they do a quality job.

So does WBAP.

And those are the facts.
 
Sorry for mis-stating WBAP's commitment...I shouldn't have made any assumptions since I didn't tune in until I left the house at 5:30. :-X

"Open Mike" (new to the board, it appears,) the one incident with KRLD that immediately comes to mind was the big storm of July, 2004, when WBAP was wall-to-wall with damage reports (I even helped out with those) and KRLD was hopelessly caught in the middle of a Rangers game with no mention of anything (guess the weather didn't affect The Ballpark.) You can read about it on this board, assuming 2004 is still archived. I daresay that wasn't the first time or last time that happened, but I can't qualify that with other examples offhand. Yes, I'll tune to KRLD sometimes, and hold nothing against it (the news product, that is) but, as I said, sometimes one station gets the jump on the other, and sometimes one drops the (base)ball.
 
Interesting. the watch (ON TIME) showed 3:33am cdt. Eric and Gary still ON.! making light of the situation. until 3:45am when I switched to KRLD who had two reporters OUT in the weather. I recall 2 occassions last May when KRLD had wall to wall coverage,when some talk show was on WBAP btw. No I dont work for KRLD,so lets establish that now. Sure WBAP emits the EAS notification for the area including other stations,but its personal weather coverage was lacking in comparison to KRLD for those crucial moments as the storms were entering and passing through...not after the fact.
 
I've never cared for the way WBAP operates their EAS system to begin with. Lets say participating EAS stations also monitor NOAA radio for EAS alerts. Since BAP and KSCS use a differeeent header code than NOAA for the same alert, it's a train wreck for the participating EAS stations.

Andy
 
I will defend WBAP here. Their way of running the EAS is pretty much by the book established by TYLER during his first our of duty there. He also had a great news staff THEN. A "few" are still very good,but its METRO for 10-12 hours evening until dawn. I out of habit would turn to WBAP for news and information but in the last year(with a few .very few exceptions) it was disappointing. I hope citadel wakes up gives Tyler what he needs and returns that station to way it was before Shomper took over.
 
But if they are running EAS by the book, why are they not using the same EAS header codes for weather alerts, originally issued by NOAA? It makes no sense to me to hear a participating station broadcast NOAA's alert, then maybe half of WBAP's rebroadcast on the same participating station for the same weather alert. It has always been like this, for as long as I can remember.

Andy
 
To lbates, impossible for Gary and Eric to be talking at 3:33am central time ;D, they are in spot and weather break at that time. Just correcting the wrong statements.
 
lbates said:
I will defend WBAP here. Their way of running the EAS is pretty much by the book established by TYLER during his first our of duty there. He also had a great news staff THEN. A "few" are still very good,but its METRO for 10-12 hours evening until dawn. I out of habit would turn to WBAP for news and information but in the last year(with a few .very few exceptions) it was disappointing. I hope citadel wakes up gives Tyler what he needs and returns that station to way it was before Shomper took over.

So are you slamming Grantchester who anchors overnights for WBAP? IIRC he works for Metro. Grant is terrific handling severe weather IMO.
 
Grant Chester is superb. You need to reread what I wrote. I said "very very few exceptions" Count Ellie Hogue, Lance Ligess, and the Departed Scott Crowder as the others. The should have flipped locally when the storms approached not after the passing. The Mt network could still feed to its affiliates and xm. Why Xm has them on beats me. It's never been the same when Bill Mack was hosting it, and it remains a far superior product than now. Lastily sorry guys Eric and Gary were still on at 3:33am cdt. The clock is set with the bureau of standards in Boulder.
 
Re: OVERNIGHT-PREDAWN WEATHER COVERAGE:WBAP YUCKS IT UP, KRLD IS ON TOP OF THE S

TylerCox said:
• At 3:30am, right after the tornado warning was issued in Tarrant County, WBAP began airing a non-stop and commercial-free combination of reports from our staff and live coverage simulcast with WFAA-TV.

Sorry, but that's just a flat misspeak, untruth, or whatever you want to call it. When the storms woke me up around that time and I realized my DirecTV was out, I turned on WBAP, heard the tornado warning for Tarrant County, and then said, "what the hell?" out loud when they went straight back to the trucking show. I then flipped over to KRLD for their "non-stop and commercial-free combination of reports" while wondering if Harold Taft was spinning in his grave.
 
lbates said:
Grant Chester is superb. You need to reread what I wrote. I said "very very few exceptions" Count Ellie Hogue, Lance Ligess, and the Departed Scott Crowder as the others.

You forgot JIM RYAN, perhaps the hardest-working reporter in local radio...who also covers plenty of stories for ABC Radio. Forgetting one or two slights the whole group--and I don't know a bad one in the bunch, no matter who writes their paychecks. Add Rick Hadley, Freda Ross-Findley, Bob Leonard, Amy Chodroff, Susan Darwin, Randy Williams, Christopher Landers, John Pendolino, Bob Crowley, John Scott and Dan Lewis to that list. Bryan Lundberg, Steve Cumming, Jack Hines, Dan Potter, Mike Hambrick and several others have passed through the doors there during my tenure, and all are top notch as well.

Yeah, of course, I'm going to be biased...but after five years of listening to these folks and working with them every single weekday, day in and day out, over weeks, months and years, you get an idea of how well folks do their jobs, and if their efforts are credible and responsible and accurate...and this group accomplishes that and then some. And you don't see any newbies or kids running the show there, or "warm bodies" filling up space--these are all experienced reporters and anchors. Let me tell you a story about the 19 yr old kid who worked at traffic and now anchors overnights at KRLD...fresh out of ABS and maybe 9 months of on-air--doing traffic reports--before hiring on at KRLD. Sure, I'm all for giving people a chance, but I'd rather get my news from someone who's lived it, gets it, and understands what I need to know about it. Even with the best pipes in the world, rip-and-read just doesn't cut it.

Rick Hadley emailed me five years ago right after the "Russ Incident," and wanted an audition tape. I laugh now at how green I was then, and how un-ready I was for a job in the news dept there...but, five years later, and literally 50,000 traffic reports later, I still have doubts that I could hang with the big dogs at WBAP. That's a job you work UP to...you don't sign on hoping to get experience or just to have something pretty on your resume. You have to be ready to be one of the best.

Understand, too, that ABC could have dumped out of any news effort at WBAP 14 years ago when they took Rush away from KLIF and began building a talk-heavy format...but they didn't. Having two strong news stations going at it actually makes the product BETTER. That's what that long-lost concept of "competition" generally does.
 
MikeShannon914 said:
Having two strong news stations going at it actually makes the product BETTER. That's what that long-lost concept of "competition" generally does.

Agreed, 100%. Unfortunately a few wannabe consultants will try to tell us otherwise.

Andy
 
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