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Parts of Ohio that can't get stations from top markets?

As I've mentioned in many prior posts on this topic, they could switch CKWW and CKLW's programming, and provide the oldies format to a wider area, and probably attract a larger audience, sincie many areas don't even have that format anymore. AM580's signal serves Windsor/Essex Co. but starts to gets fuzzy 40 miles away. And if the commercial broadcaster (whatever the CHUM group in being called this week) doesn't want to do it, CRTC can decide for them, as a more efficient use of the radio spectrum.

Or put the CBC Radio 1 service that has been on 1550, and is being "downgraded," in my opinion, to a lower wattage FM service (they're in mono anyway) that won't even reach Ann Arbor anymore. That's where to use of 50kw that apparently nobody witha license thinks is worth anything - for more public service programming to extend into the US, as an alternative to WGTE, WCPN, and WUOM for listeners outside of the Detroit metro. And to five you one frequency to hear it from Windsor to Kitchener, and into the far north, instead of a disparate group of FM freqs that you have to search for on a car radio every 20 minutes.

I sure would have liked to have followed CBC on AM800 back down to Dayton on the day the US started the war in Iraq. Their coverage rivals ABC and the US commercial networks (or it did in 2003), and provided an important perspective that wasn't the same one that was influenced by American political interests on US commercial networks.
 
What CKLW is doing now is what the CRTC has wanted them to do since the 1970s...be a Windsor only station. They forced that issue even then with CanCon. The beauraucrats continued to demand CKLW be more Canadian...they hated The Big 8's U.S. success. As it was CKLW-FM had to carry long newscasts all Windsor oriented.
Even with Byron McGregor's version of 20-20 news, they covered Canada as well as the US. The CBC for the most part got out of the international service business years ago..that they would make CKLW "Radio Free USA" from across the border is very unlikely. They no longer care about audiences in Toledo,
Cleveland or Sandusky. The government demanded the night pattern be reworked to exclude most of the U.S.
 
Look, I'm probably as big a fan as the CBC has on this side of the border...but borderblaster is right.

It is not even remotely in the CBC's interest to try to use its AM signals to provide "service to the U.S.". Those of us over here have plenty of options in 2011 outside the car radio...including streaming audio on both computer and smartphone of every single local CBC affliate, and heck, even Radio Canada International if you have a SW set.

I can plug my Droid into my car stereo, and you'd think I was driving around Windsor.

Do I feel for the folks in Detroit now struggling with 97.5 FM, with 1550 about to go away? Do I feel for the people in Toledo who will lose 1550 entirely? Sure, I do. CBC on your car radio is one of the few perks of living in that area.

But life moves on, and I can still listen to the CBC.

borderblaster is right in that the CRTC very much wants CKLW to be a Canadian-oriented station, despite that 50 kW signal.
 
Goldilocks94941 said:
It's not "limited freedom of speech" in Canada, as much as requiring broadcasters transmit a more responsible tone.
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And we all know that government bureaucrats are better able to decide what is "a more responsible tone" than we the people.
 
Sometime's I can get 96.5 KISS FM right in south Toledo and 107.3 from Cleveland sometime's power's out 107.3 from swanton. :eek: Summer 2010 I was in my garage 106.5 from Cleveland was taking out 106.5 from Toledo. :eek: Driving back from cleveland 104.1 has came all the way in to Toledo. 102.1 even cut's throw 102.3 WPOS once in a blue moon and so doe's 100.7WMMS cut's throw W264AK 100.7 The Vibe.
 
steve82655 said:
Sometime's I can get 96.5 KISS FM right in south Toledo and 107.3 from Cleveland sometime's power's out 107.3 from swanton. :eek: Summer 2010 I was in my garage 106.5 from Cleveland was taking out 106.5 from Toledo. :eek: Driving back from cleveland 104.1 has came all the way in to Toledo. 102.1 even cut's throw 102.3 WPOS once in a blue moon and so doe's 100.7WMMS cut's throw W264AK 100.7 The Vibe.
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Sometime's I can get 96.5 KISS FM right in south Toledo and 107.3 from Cleveland sometime's power's out 107.3 from swanton. :eek: Summer 2010 I was in my garage 106.5 from Cleveland was taking out 106.5 from Toledo. :eek: Driving back from cleveland 104.1 has came all the way in to Toledo. 102.1 even cut's throw 102.3 WPOS once in a blue moon and so doe's 100.7WMMS cut's throw W264AK 100.7 The Vibe.
 
With many of Columbus stations sharing frequencies with Detroit I think you might get WNCI out of Columbus every once in a while.
 
As a former Toledoan myself, Lake Erie plays a big role in summer months in extending signal coverage for Fm and TV. So Columbus Fms rarely get an atmospheric boost, but Lorain, Cleveland, Medina, Akron, and even Erie stations will come in strong on the western end of the Lake some days.

Squeezing in stations 120 miles away from big Class B signals the next market over is not something the atmosphere seems to respect. The old Genie Antenna Rotor (before cable) antenna that we all had mounted on small towers 20 feet about the rooftop in the 1970s, was a great device for watching Hoolihan and Big Chuck do their skits in between segments of corny movies late on Friday nights on WJW-TV8 from my house in Toledo's Point Place! With that antenna, you could pick up Cleveland's VHF signals year round, but it would come in strong some nights in the summer, thanks to those mysterious forces in the ether above the water.

There was a reason for the old signal protection rules that folks seem to have overlooked. I wish the FCC was managed by people willing to set the pace for the industry, rather than respond to the self-protectionist wishes of the NAB. Like expanding the FM band, which would make a much bigger difference than the sillly AM band extension has done. And not just auctioning off freqs to the big corporations, but encouraging lots of different interests to be broadcasters, by making room for them.
 
the marv said:
With many of Columbus stations sharing frequencies with Detroit I think you might get WNCI out of Columbus every once in a while.
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YES I do and i love haring 97.9 WNCI once in awhile I can get WNCI in Toledo! Now WNCI"s transmitter is on top of one of the building's in downtown columbus? 610 WTVN come's in daily.
 
steve82655 said:
the marv said:
With many of Columbus stations sharing frequencies with Detroit I think you might get WNCI out of Columbus every once in a while.
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YES I do and i love haring 97.9 WNCI once in awhile I can get WNCI in Toledo! Now WNCI"s transmitter is on top of one of the building's in downtown columbus? 610 WTVN come's in daily.
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Sometime 97.9WNCI over power's FM98 WJLB just dee pen's on the day.
 
WTVN always came in during the day in Toledo. As a Matter of fact it and WRFD 880 from Columbus can be heard during the day in Detroit. Wrfd goes off at sunset for New York's WCBS and WTVN redirects their transmitter after 11 pm.
 
the marv said:
WTVN always came in during the day in Toledo. As a Matter of fact it and WRFD 880 from Columbus can be heard during the day in Detroit. Wrfd goes off at sunset for New York's WCBS and WTVN redirects their transmitter after 11 pm.
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When I went to UT in the late 1990s, WTVN often came in better than WLW. I'd listen to Reds games on 610 from time to time, and the signal's improvement when the pattern change took place was very noticeable, like a balloon filling with air.
 
Well, since Toledo is North of Columbus, it's right within WTVN's nighttime signal lobe. Think of it as being directed up US23 toward Ann Arbor, and that pretty much summarizes their directional array at night. 5 kilowats at the low end of the AM dial, puts a decent signal into a wide area, but one that doesn't happen to include a lot ot territory to the west, east, or south of Franklin County. But Marion, Findlay, Toledo, and even on campus at the University of Michigan, you can hear the political drek that WTVN offers all night long. And for Ohio AM signals, that's nearly as good as it gets.
 
Goldilocks94941 said:
Well, since Toledo is North of Columbus, it's right within WTVN's nighttime signal lobe. Think of it as being directed up US23 toward Ann Arbor, and that pretty much summarizes their directional array at night. 5 kilowats at the low end of the AM dial, puts a decent signal into a wide area, but one that doesn't happen to include a lot ot territory to the west, east, or south of Franklin County. But Marion, Findlay, Toledo, and even on campus at the University of Michigan, you can hear the political drek that WTVN offers all night long. And for Ohio AM signals, that's nearly as good as it gets.
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Exactly. I've marveled to myself that you can go in and out of the pattern on Gender Road (in southeastern Franklin County), yet it is a blaster straight north. I remember on the occasions I drove from Columbus to Toledo at night, 610 was (and is) a powerhouse until you get to Perrysburg, where you hear the first hint of cancellation. Both in my dorm room at UT and an apartment nearby where I lived senior year (1999-2000), there wasn't a ton of fading to contend with at night. Some, but not much.
And back then, the programming was much better late nights. If it wasn't the Reds on summer evenings, it was Steve Cannon before Coast to Coast. It helped alleviate homesickness sometimes.
 
Yesterday I was siting in my van and I was getting WAZK 93.1,95.5 The Fish and 96.5 kiss fm! Cleveland station's we're over powering Detroit's station's. Yesterday at 11AM ! I can almost receive 96.5 kiss fm daily!
 
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