Party 105.3 seems to forget we're in America

[islanddxer]

I'm hearing that DJ Flex song every hour. Mexican Mariachi is not dance music. It's not even pop music, not even here in America.
There's a couple of other songs in their rotation that belong on 98.5 also.
I remember when Vic played that stupid song on the morning show and the majority of callers HATED IT.
Yet it's being played anyway.
I guess pretty soon they're gonna be picking up DJ's and studio staff up at North Sea Road in Southampton or Horseblock in Farmingville soon.... :

 

[letmethinkaboutit]

I'm hearing that DJ Flex song every hour. Mexican Mariachi is not dance music. It's not even pop music, not even here in America.
There's a couple of other songs in their rotation that belong on 98.5 also.
I remember when Vic played that stupid song on the morning show and the majority of callers HATED IT.
Yet it's being played anyway.
I guess pretty soon they're gonna be picking up DJ's and studio staff up at North Sea Road in Southampton or Horseblock in Farmingville soon.... :

I have never heard the song, so I can't comment on that. However, your last line about picking up dj's and studio staff is in poor taste. And, the title to your post-this is America, a country made up of all different people. And, whether you like it or not, a country that is progressively becoming more Latino populated and influenced. Did you ever think that Vic is playing the song because there is a reaction to it? Do you realize that the callers that hated it, only aired because he put them on? Ipods, Satellite radio, Internet Radio, a direct competitor in Pulse-make it even harder to stand out. I am sure it is an attempt to do so-albeit not to your liking.

 

[TonySantiago]

I have never heard the song, so I can't comment on that. However, your last line about picking up dj's and studio staff is in poor taste. And, the title to your post-this is America, a country made up of all different people. And, whether you like it or not, a country that is progressively becoming more Latino populated and influenced. Did you ever think that Vic is playing the song because there is a reaction to it? Do you realize that the callers that hated it, only aired because he put them on? Ipods, Satellite radio, Internet Radio, a direct competitor in Pulse-make it even harder to stand out. I am sure it is an attempt to do so-albeit not to your liking.

I gotta second letmethinkaboutit's first comment. I know a couple of jocks there and they are very good people...and agree that the comment was in poor taste.

BUT, I am wondering what is going on over at Party 105 as of late with these Latin adds (a la Fiesta), and hip-hop, with less of the currents. I understand WHY Party 105 is doing this but I do question if that's going to work. I just don't to see 2004 happen all over again when Party 105 was more of a hip-hop/R&B station before they went "Channelcast". And if current dance suffers from it, we'll take note and offer up our thoughts.

 

[IslandRadio]

I agree the statement is uncalled for and in poor taste. As for PARTY, I also agree, the rotation has definitely changed to a more hispanic and hip hop format vs currents. As good as Vic is, could it be that he has too many hats on. The true tell all will be in the trends whether it is a good move or not. WBON actually trended higher that WDRE. Maybe Party is looking for that boost. Who knows with them over there. This is just one more saga in the neverending Morey drama.

 

[islanddxer]

Sorry I offended anyone, but when two of the radio stations you listened to (92.7 WLIR and 98.5 The Bone) are killed to make way for a foreign language format, with a 3rd heading in that direction, you have a right to be a bit angry.

 

[islanddxer]

The comment also is aimed at how TMO treats it's talent, it's like a rotating wheel of PD's,MD's and personailities. Andre was the only one who was there for a long time and to me, he was what made Party stand out. Now I can't keep up with the changes. TMO doesn't pay very well I guess.
They even decided to get these crappy voice-overs, it sounds like Ron Morey doing them, replacing the good ones they had (only for the past couple of years...typical TMO).
I don't care for the midday girl (Natalia) and miss the guy they used to have there, I think he called himself Chunky Monkey.
I really won't be suprised if HURBAN is in Party's future the way things are going. And I aint blaming Vic, I think TMO is doing this just to blame Vic for Party's failure and then flip it to HURBAN.

 

[PSA_Man]

... And I aint blaming Vic, I think TMO is doing this just to blame Vic for Party's failure and then flip it to HURBAN.

You had me till the last line. I totally agree with everyone's response on this topic. EXCEPT the few excuses being made for Mr. Latino. He is totally in control of all that is happening there. Do you think the Morey's wanted Fiesta over the Bone? The Morey's are just collecting as much cash before they make a dash, mark my words 2 yrs it'll all be over, Failure or not. if Party fails it will be due to Mr. Latino's plan, The Morey's have placed him in charge and asked him to run the show. All they want is to fatten the turkey before the thanksgiving meal.

Mr. Latino is going after a demo that is taking over the Island and they have been ignored by all others so he is trying to get the quick cash from them. There is no plan for longevity there, it's lets fatten this baby up and then chow down.

 

[IslandRadio]

To some extent you may be right PSA. There has also been talk about TMO partnering Vic into that equation when they hired him. But that is neither here nor there. In order for your statement to be entirely true PSA, you would need to 1st increase ratings, a .4 trend is not going to do it. And as a result of increased ratings, their stop sets would need to substantially increase. When your stop sets consist of TMO owned businesses, there is no revenue flowing. If there is no revenue flowing, there is no payday. And the entire foundation to get to that point is to have a consistent format and maintain listenership and that listenership will eventually patronize your advertisers. I know that is easier said than done, but its a guaranteed failure if you continue to change format.

Islanddxer - thats pretty funny but may not be far from the truth about Morey doing voice. They are notorious for running talent out. As far as not paying enough, I think we can all agree that this industry for the most part does not pay enough so I dont think that is the problem. The problem is the horror stories you hear coming out of that place from previous talent / staff and from existing talent / staff.

 

[PSA_Man]

To some extent you may be right PSA. There has also been talk about TMO partnering Vic into that equation when they hired him. But that is neither here nor there. In order for your statement to be entirely true PSA, you would need to 1st increase ratings, a .4 trend is not going to do it. And as a result of increased ratings, their stop sets would need to substantially increase. When your stop sets consist of TMO owned businesses, there is no revenue flowing. If there is no revenue flowing, there is no payday. And the entire foundation to get to that point is to have a consistent format and maintain listenership and that listenership will eventually patronize your advertisers. I know that is easier said than done, but its a guaranteed failure if you continue to change format.

Islanddxer - thats pretty funny but may not be far from the truth about Morey doing voice. They are notorious for running talent out. As far as not paying enough, I think we can all agree that this industry for the most part does not pay enough so I dont think that is the problem. The problem is the horror stories you hear coming out of that place from previous talent / staff and from existing talent / staff.

My personal opinion is that they will fail miserably. I was just stating what they'd are plaining in those delusional heads of theirs. Mr. Latino did jump in trying to get something out of it, now he can't bail so he is making ever desperate attempt to at least break even. Latino built a good rep that, well now it's slowing being torn down piece by piece not only in the aspect of knowledge of the business but in all the bridges his burning to make a dollar, I guess it's how would you call it? TMO-i-tist

 

[radioli]

To some extent you may be right PSA. There has also been talk about TMO partnering Vic into that equation when they hired him. But that is neither here nor there. In order for your statement to be entirely true PSA, you would need to 1st increase ratings, a .4 trend is not going to do it. And as a result of increased ratings, their stop sets would need to substantially increase. When your stop sets consist of TMO owned businesses, there is no revenue flowing. If there is no revenue flowing, there is no payday. And the entire foundation to get to that point is to have a consistent format and maintain listenership and that listenership will eventually patronize your advertisers. I know that is easier said than done, but its a guaranteed failure if you continue to change format.

Islanddxer - thats pretty funny but may not be far from the truth about Morey doing voice. They are notorious for running talent out. As far as not paying enough, I think we can all agree that this industry for the most part does not pay enough so I dont think that is the problem. The problem is the horror stories you hear coming out of that place from previous talent / staff and from existing talent / staff.

I don't agree. With all the talk and being a big fan of Latino, i gave a listen to Party. I think it sounds Great. So glad the continuous THUMP THUMP THUMP dancebeat of the Andre days are gone. You seem to forget that Andres claim to fame was as an LIR jock. Had no clue about dance but had to take on the responsibility of programming it. If you miss the old sound of Party, maybe you should venture your lazy ass from behind your computer and walk into a nightclub to see what's being played and how people are reacting to those songs being played. If anyone knows, it's Vic. Stopsets? I don't know what station you're listening to but I hear full stopsets. I nearly drove off the road when i heard another station with commercial free hours the week before memorial day. I do have friends in the industry and at Party so i feel confident in saying that if you think those stations arent producing revenue, you're sadly mistaken. As far as ratings, as an advertiser currently using Party, ratings mean nothing to me. Make my cash register ring and I'm happy. Party listeners follow and support the station and they support my business. Is there another radio station on LI that can sell out a venue with 3,000 people from long island? Oh, did i forget to mention the event was in Atlantic City? I dont think so.

 

[PSA_Man]

To some extent you may be right PSA. There has also been talk about TMO partnering Vic into that equation when they hired him. But that is neither here nor there. In order for your statement to be entirely true PSA, you would need to 1st increase ratings, a .4 trend is not going to do it. And as a result of increased ratings, their stop sets would need to substantially increase. When your stop sets consist of TMO owned businesses, there is no revenue flowing. If there is no revenue flowing, there is no payday. And the entire foundation to get to that point is to have a consistent format and maintain listenership and that listenership will eventually patronize your advertisers. I know that is easier said than done, but its a guaranteed failure if you continue to change format.

Islanddxer - thats pretty funny but may not be far from the truth about Morey doing voice. They are notorious for running talent out. As far as not paying enough, I think we can all agree that this industry for the most part does not pay enough so I dont think that is the problem. The problem is the horror stories you hear coming out of that place from previous talent / staff and from existing talent / staff.

Is there another radio station on LI that can sell out a venue with 3,000 people from long island? Oh, did i forget to mention the event was in Atlantic City? I dont think so.

Yes there is, Pulse 87.7 they seem to be skipping past the clubs and jumping into Madison Square Garden, not the theater the arena.

As for the ratings, it doesn't matter to a mom and pop shop that are just hoping to make a few bucks but try and sell that story to one of the ad agencies, see how quickly they'll laugh you out of their offices. revenue generated by national spots, agencies etc... can in no way compare to the record shop down the street. No matter how much their cash register is ringing the station is not nearly billing as much as another station with much higher ratings.

I'm not knocking Party for Pulse but what I'm saying is your theory on ratings not mattering ridiculous! Memorial Day don't know what station you are talking about but ever think that was done intentionally?

 

[PSA_Man]

To some extent you may be right PSA. There has also been talk about TMO partnering Vic into that equation when they hired him. But that is neither here nor there. In order for your statement to be entirely true PSA, you would need to 1st increase ratings, a .4 trend is not going to do it. And as a result of increased ratings, their stop sets would need to substantially increase. When your stop sets consist of TMO owned businesses, there is no revenue flowing. If there is no revenue flowing, there is no payday. And the entire foundation to get to that point is to have a consistent format and maintain listenership and that listenership will eventually patronize your advertisers. I know that is easier said than done, but its a guaranteed failure if you continue to change format.

Islanddxer - thats pretty funny but may not be far from the truth about Morey doing voice. They are notorious for running talent out. As far as not paying enough, I think we can all agree that this industry for the most part does not pay enough so I dont think that is the problem. The problem is the horror stories you hear coming out of that place from previous talent / staff and from existing talent / staff.

I don't agree. With all the talk and being a big fan of Latino, i gave a listen to Party. I think it sounds Great. So glad the continuous THUMP THUMP THUMP dancebeat of the Andre days are gone. You seem to forget that Andres claim to fame was as an LIR jock. Had no clue about dance but had to take on the responsibility of programming it. If you miss the old sound of Party, maybe you should venture your lazy ass from behind your computer and walk into a nightclub to see what's being played and how people are reacting to those songs being played. If anyone knows, it's Vic.

OH one more thing, C'mon how on God's green earth are you going to compare Mr. Latino to Joel Salkowitz when it comes to programming?
Vic isn't the only one who goes to clubs do you not think that Glenn Friscia, Johnny Budz, Jewelz, Mike Rizzo, Serg, James Anthony and the rest of the successful dj over there have no idea what's hot in clubs???? c'mon now!!!!

 

[radioli]

To some extent you may be right PSA. There has also been talk about TMO partnering Vic into that equation when they hired him. But that is neither here nor there. In order for your statement to be entirely true PSA, you would need to 1st increase ratings, a .4 trend is not going to do it. And as a result of increased ratings, their stop sets would need to substantially increase. When your stop sets consist of TMO owned businesses, there is no revenue flowing. If there is no revenue flowing, there is no payday. And the entire foundation to get to that point is to have a consistent format and maintain listenership and that listenership will eventually patronize your advertisers. I know that is easier said than done, but its a guaranteed failure if you continue to change format.

Islanddxer - thats pretty funny but may not be far from the truth about Morey doing voice. They are notorious for running talent out. As far as not paying enough, I think we can all agree that this industry for the most part does not pay enough so I dont think that is the problem. The problem is the horror stories you hear coming out of that place from previous talent / staff and from existing talent / staff.

I don't agree. With all the talk and being a big fan of Latino, i gave a listen to Party. I think it sounds Great. So glad the continuous THUMP THUMP THUMP dancebeat of the Andre days are gone. You seem to forget that Andres claim to fame was as an LIR jock. Had no clue about dance but had to take on the responsibility of programming it. If you miss the old sound of Party, maybe you should venture your lazy ass from behind your computer and walk into a nightclub to see what's being played and how people are reacting to those songs being played. If anyone knows, it's Vic.

OH one more thing, C'mon how on God's green earth are you going to compare Mr. Latino to Joel Salkowitz when it comes to programming?
Vic isn't the only one who goes to clubs do you not think that Glenn Friscia, Johnny Budz, Jewelz, Mike Rizzo, Serg, James Anthony and the rest of the successful dj over there have no idea what's hot in clubs???? c'mon now!!!!

Not comparing Vic to any of those fine gentleman....all i was saying was that I like the direction Vic is taking Party compared to the direction Andre had them going. As far as Pulse jumping over the clubs and MSG Theater right into the arena, they could run commercials for Yankee Stadium for all I care...will they sell tickets is the question. I want to see results. Agencies will buy an idea (not always I'll give you that), but look at Pepsi with Pulse. and who knows if dollars actually exchanged hands or if it was something they did for free. If Party has problems with low ratings, Pulse will have problems with NO ratings. They can use statistics, but they are still considered a TV frequency. PLUS, i don't know about your car, but my Mercedes radio starts at 87.9.

 

[neo11]

Pulse is rated, but their numbers aren't published for you and I to see. But, word is from the "dentist" board, that they cumed 450,000 listeners in their first book. That would put them around an 0.7-0.8, apparently. Not exactly Z100 or KTU figures, but then again, look at a heavily publicized full-power FM signal in the middle of the dial and with a somewhat more mainstream format, which also began operating at around the same time as Pulse...none other than RXP. They're at an 0.8 as well. Pulse managed to achieve that with almost no advertising, with a weaker signal than the ESB stations, and all the way at the left side of the dial on a frequency that not all radios receive.

I used to love Party, but consider that even with their new translator in Nassau County, which even at 10 watts does cover a fairly large area and one that is heavily populated, their numbers haven't really budged.

 

[radiosgreatest1]

To some extent you may be right PSA. There has also been talk about TMO partnering Vic into that equation when they hired him. But that is neither here nor there. In order for your statement to be entirely true PSA, you would need to 1st increase ratings, a .4 trend is not going to do it. And as a result of increased ratings, their stop sets would need to substantially increase. When your stop sets consist of TMO owned businesses, there is no revenue flowing. If there is no revenue flowing, there is no payday. And the entire foundation to get to that point is to have a consistent format and maintain listenership and that listenership will eventually patronize your advertisers. I know that is easier said than done, but its a guaranteed failure if you continue to change format.

Islanddxer - thats pretty funny but may not be far from the truth about Morey doing voice. They are notorious for running talent out. As far as not paying enough, I think we can all agree that this industry for the most part does not pay enough so I dont think that is the problem. The problem is the horror stories you hear coming out of that place from previous talent / staff and from existing talent / staff.

I don't agree. With all the talk and being a big fan of Latino, i gave a listen to Party. I think it sounds Great. So glad the continuous THUMP THUMP THUMP dancebeat of the Andre days are gone. You seem to forget that Andres claim to fame was as an LIR jock. Had no clue about dance but had to take on the responsibility of programming it. If you miss the old sound of Party, maybe you should venture your lazy ass from behind your computer and walk into a nightclub to see what's being played and how people are reacting to those songs being played. If anyone knows, it's Vic. Stopsets? I don't know what station you're listening to but I hear full stopsets. I nearly drove off the road when i heard another station with commercial free hours the week before memorial day. I do have friends in the industry and at Party so i feel confident in saying that if you think those stations arent producing revenue, you're sadly mistaken. As far as ratings, as an advertiser currently using Party, ratings mean nothing to me. Make my cash register ring and I'm happy. Party listeners follow and support the station and they support my business. Is there another radio station on LI that can sell out a venue with 3,000 people from long island? Oh, did i forget to mention the event was in Atlantic City? I dont think so.

There are plenty of other LI stations that can sell an event out for more then 3,000 people in Atlantic City. Comon your acting like party is the god of all radio stations. Its a useless signal just like the rest of them that TMO own. They might have listeners but there not even close to the big boys on long Island....

 

[TonySantiago]

Okay......I've wanted to see the direction the thread was going here so to that...here goes:

1. Radioli....THUMP THUMP THUMP?? Granted, it may not be everyone's "cup o' tea" but do realize even with all of the tweakings and changing of the format this station has gone through, generally speaking people like the thump thump thump. Yes, I DO remember Andre over at 'LIR as he was adding dance music to the format on 92.7. It got to the point we were trying to PUSH TMO to make 92.7 simulcast over with Party 105 full-time (only "Island Underground" with Chris The Greek had that simul going). THAT would have generated bigger ratings because of the better (not great...but better) reach. But TMO went for the $50 mil instead. And being a businessman, you'd want to get the better reach for your biz...that's really what counts, right? Not about the fans of the music, and I can appreciate that. Which is why I've been trying to look at this for the best win-win situation for everyone. And to that, dance music in general has to develop a stronger "brand" in this country somehow. I'll leave it to you guys to figure it out but I am here, devoted and dedicated to help.

2. I'm not going to get into a "war" about Andre vs. Vic; that doesn't help ANYONE. I haven't talked to Vic in awhile but have talked with Andre. While I do give credit to Vic for his knowledge of dance music, I think the jury is still out on the direction the station is taking. As a core dance fan, I'm not into it (I can get Party 105 from where I live) but if it gets a new audience, then that's what a radio station has to do. But be sure if something very dramatic happens, we'll be out there.

3. Radiosgreatest...you're right. Party may not be close to the 'BLI's, 'BAB's or 'LNG's in the world. It's just a matter of a stronger signal. Just like PULSE (since that station was brought up). If Party had a large "stick" that could cover at least 95% of Long Island, Southern CT..and parts of NYC...those numbers would be at par with the big boys. Same with Pulse if they can hit further into Northern and Central New Jersey, Staten Island, Westchester and more of Fairfield County, CT.

I'm still taking a "wait and see" approach with Party 105. There are good people over there and hey, they're doing a good job despite whatever I hear about how TMO treats people. But I am listening. Carefully.

 

[BJSteigner]

I got two words to describe the stations they own......TMO SUCKS!!!

As for Party 101.5/105.3, Vic Latino needs to change the list for 100% energy type dance music, no crap rap music, no spanish music or else he will be out of there be reason of complaints from the audience.

That's my two cents, two liner, and the truth.

 

[mkdanz]

TMO has previously failed in a former attempt to mix genres. That was the last experiment at 92.7 WLIR. I've already abandoned Party for Sirius. Funny thing is, before Mr. Latino started playing with the format, the dance music on Party blew everyting on Sirius away. Now, not so much...

 

[TonySantiago]

That's why I am on a "wait and see" position regarding the format. If the fans of dance music are going to complain about this, my hope is that they'll do so on their own. It's because of my respect for Vic that I'm not "taking the lead" in telling anyone to make a fuss about this, at least not yet....there is a LITTLE something regarding currents, though not as much as it used to be.

But at the same token, I have to look out for our best interests as dance music fans and, not to put words in his mouth, I do believe Vic respects me for that. If some of what he's experimenting with has to be on the station...then so be it; kinda like how Pulse does play some dance oriented R&B and pop. But not to sacrifice current dance in the process. Should THAT happen, then I would like to talk. No protests or anything. Just a talk.

But not now.....I'm on "wait and see" mode.

 

[TonySantiago]

TMO has previously failed in a former attempt to mix genres. That was the last experiment at 92.7 WLIR. I've already abandoned Party for Sirius. Funny thing is, before Mr. Latino started playing with the format, the dance music on Party blew everyting on Sirius away. Now, not so much...

Not that blowing away Sirius is a hard thing to do! LOL

I have Sirius too and the only two stations I can listen to are "Area 33" and "BBC Radio One" during the DJ's shows (Pete Tong, Judge Jules). BBC...self explanatory . Regarding "Area 33", there may be tracks on there that I may not necessarily like at first but for some reason, it grows on me and I'm hooked! (best example: Sia "The Girl You Lost To Cocaine".)

I CANNOT STAND "The Beat". Nothing against the DJ's that have mix shows there...it's just the regular rotation that has songs over 2 years old as "currents". I'm hoping this merger gets through someday that way "BPM" comes over (heck....I'll pay extra to HAVE "BPM". "The Beat" may be good for those just getting into dance....but for my taste, I'm not looking for anything radical...but not a dance station that has "Red Hot Chili Peppers" in rotation...no matter WHO'S doing the remix.

My 2 pennies.