PBS/NET stations had and still has to program on Saturday evenings by themselves. Some stations before PBS had more kids shows to rerun signed on in the evenings or not at all for stations operated by colleges. According to a old TV Guide in the 1970's showed KEET-13 in Reeding, CA was off the air during the summer. Some stations reran the whole week of Sesame Street and Mister Rogers during the weekends. During the summer when school programs had concluded, Sesane Street reran 5 times in the same day. These days with more programs in the library, fewer repeats in the same day.
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PBS/NET Saturday's and summer schedules in the 1960s to 1980s question
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> PBS/NET stations had and still has to program on Saturday
> evenings by themselves. Some stations before PBS had more
> kids shows to rerun signed on in the evenings or not at all
> for stations operated by colleges. According to a old TV
> Guide in the 1970's showed KEET-13 in Reeding, CA was off
> the air during the summer. Some stations reran the whole
> week of Sesame Street and Mister Rogers during the weekends.
> During the summer when school programs had concluded, Sesane
> Street reran 5 times in the same day. These days with more
> programs in the library, fewer repeats in the same day.
>
When I lived in Michigan, both WKAR-TV East Lansing (Michigan State University) and WTVS-Detroit never went off in the summer. I do believe when WKAR was then WMSB and sharing Channel 10 with NBC station WILX-TV Lansing (from 3/1959-9/1972,when WKAR returned on 23 and WILX went solo on 10) they never went off in the summer either. And they carried other shows when school was out for the summer. And I think WTVS did indeed do the whole week of Sesame Street and Mr. Rogers as did WKAR.
> evenings by themselves. Some stations before PBS had more
> kids shows to rerun signed on in the evenings or not at all
> for stations operated by colleges. According to a old TV
> Guide in the 1970's showed KEET-13 in Reeding, CA was off
> the air during the summer. Some stations reran the whole
> week of Sesame Street and Mister Rogers during the weekends.
> During the summer when school programs had concluded, Sesane
> Street reran 5 times in the same day. These days with more
> programs in the library, fewer repeats in the same day.
>
When I lived in Michigan, both WKAR-TV East Lansing (Michigan State University) and WTVS-Detroit never went off in the summer. I do believe when WKAR was then WMSB and sharing Channel 10 with NBC station WILX-TV Lansing (from 3/1959-9/1972,when WKAR returned on 23 and WILX went solo on 10) they never went off in the summer either. And they carried other shows when school was out for the summer. And I think WTVS did indeed do the whole week of Sesame Street and Mr. Rogers as did WKAR.
Re: PBS share-time with other stations
> When I lived in Michigan, both WKAR-TV East Lansing
> (Michigan State University) and WTVS-Detroit never went off
> in the summer. I do believe when WKAR was then WMSB and
> sharing Channel 10 with NBC station WILX-TV Lansing (from
> 3/1959-9/1972,when WKAR returned on 23 and WILX went solo on
> 10) they never went off in the summer either. And they
> carried other shows when school was out for the summer. And
> I think WTVS did indeed do the whole week of Sesame Street
> and Mr. Rogers as did WKAR.
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This brings up another question. Before WNPE/16 in Watertown (now WPBS) signed on in 1971, there was NET/PBS programming on WWNY/7 for one or two years. Was WNPE considered to exist as a share-time station on channel 7, or was this just PBS programming that was on the WWNY schedule?
> When I lived in Michigan, both WKAR-TV East Lansing
> (Michigan State University) and WTVS-Detroit never went off
> in the summer. I do believe when WKAR was then WMSB and
> sharing Channel 10 with NBC station WILX-TV Lansing (from
> 3/1959-9/1972,when WKAR returned on 23 and WILX went solo on
> 10) they never went off in the summer either. And they
> carried other shows when school was out for the summer. And
> I think WTVS did indeed do the whole week of Sesame Street
> and Mr. Rogers as did WKAR.
----------
This brings up another question. Before WNPE/16 in Watertown (now WPBS) signed on in 1971, there was NET/PBS programming on WWNY/7 for one or two years. Was WNPE considered to exist as a share-time station on channel 7, or was this just PBS programming that was on the WWNY schedule?
J
Joseph_Gallant
Guest
Re: PBS share-time with other stations
Mjlarochelle asked:
> This brings up another question. Before WNPE/16 in
> Watertown (now WPBS) signed on in 1971, there was NET/PBS
> programming on WWNY/7 for one or two years. Was WNPE
> considered to exist as a share-time station on channel 7, or
> was this just PBS programming that was on the WWNY schedule?
I think what may have happened was that WWNY may have picked-up "Sesame Street" (and maybe some other NET/PBS children's programming) for a time until WNPE went on the air.
When "Sesame Street" premiered in 1969, there were actually several cities that as of yet had no noncommercial stations. In at least some of these cities, the show was broadcast on a commercial station. Watertown/Carthage, New York was probably one of them.
Mjlarochelle asked:
> This brings up another question. Before WNPE/16 in
> Watertown (now WPBS) signed on in 1971, there was NET/PBS
> programming on WWNY/7 for one or two years. Was WNPE
> considered to exist as a share-time station on channel 7, or
> was this just PBS programming that was on the WWNY schedule?
I think what may have happened was that WWNY may have picked-up "Sesame Street" (and maybe some other NET/PBS children's programming) for a time until WNPE went on the air.
When "Sesame Street" premiered in 1969, there were actually several cities that as of yet had no noncommercial stations. In at least some of these cities, the show was broadcast on a commercial station. Watertown/Carthage, New York was probably one of them.
Re: PBS share-time with other stations
> When "Sesame Street" premiered in 1969, there were actually
> several cities that as of yet had no noncommercial stations.
> In at least some of these cities, the show was broadcast on
> a commercial station.
And even in markets where PBS/NET was available, there was a commercial station carrying Sesame Street anyway -- I read that New Yorks' WPIX had Sesame Street on the schedule for at least its first season.
> When "Sesame Street" premiered in 1969, there were actually
> several cities that as of yet had no noncommercial stations.
> In at least some of these cities, the show was broadcast on
> a commercial station.
And even in markets where PBS/NET was available, there was a commercial station carrying Sesame Street anyway -- I read that New Yorks' WPIX had Sesame Street on the schedule for at least its first season.
Re: PBS share-time with other stations
A few interesting notes: "Sesame Street" premiered on NET/PBS on Nov 10, 1969 on about 190 noncommercial educational and commercial TV stations nationwide.
The first non-commercial educational TV station in the United States is WOI-TV, out of what is now Iowa State University in Ames (first aired in Feb 1950). The 100th station was in operation in 1964.
The demise of NET goes something like this...NET was founded by the Ford Foundation in 1952. The network first aired controversial documentaries about social issues and the like in 1963. President Lyndon B. Johnson signed the Public Broadcasting Act of 1967 on Nov 7 1967, creating the Corporation of Public Broadcasting. For the first 2 years of its existence, the CPB supported NET. A clash between NET and the CPB over network content led to the creation of PBS (Nov 3 1969). NET continued to supply PBS with programming, such as "Sesame Street" and "Mr. Roger's Neighborhood" (latter first aired in 1963 as "Misterogers" on CBC and in the United States in 1965 on a regional educational network called EEN...became national on NET on Feb 19 1968, series ended in Aug 2001). When then-WNDT (first aired on Sept 9 1962) merged with NET on Feb 26, 1970, WNET was born and NET was formally dissolved.<P ID="signature">______________
phil</P>
A few interesting notes: "Sesame Street" premiered on NET/PBS on Nov 10, 1969 on about 190 noncommercial educational and commercial TV stations nationwide.
The first non-commercial educational TV station in the United States is WOI-TV, out of what is now Iowa State University in Ames (first aired in Feb 1950). The 100th station was in operation in 1964.
The demise of NET goes something like this...NET was founded by the Ford Foundation in 1952. The network first aired controversial documentaries about social issues and the like in 1963. President Lyndon B. Johnson signed the Public Broadcasting Act of 1967 on Nov 7 1967, creating the Corporation of Public Broadcasting. For the first 2 years of its existence, the CPB supported NET. A clash between NET and the CPB over network content led to the creation of PBS (Nov 3 1969). NET continued to supply PBS with programming, such as "Sesame Street" and "Mr. Roger's Neighborhood" (latter first aired in 1963 as "Misterogers" on CBC and in the United States in 1965 on a regional educational network called EEN...became national on NET on Feb 19 1968, series ended in Aug 2001). When then-WNDT (first aired on Sept 9 1962) merged with NET on Feb 26, 1970, WNET was born and NET was formally dissolved.<P ID="signature">______________
phil</P>
Re: PBS share-time with other stations
> The first non-commercial educational TV station in the
> United States is WOI-TV, out of what is now Iowa State
> University in Ames (first aired in Feb 1950).
Though it was actually a commercial station owned by ISU, affiliated with ABC (since the 1960s, at least), though it showed some instructional programming for mornings (at least, until Iowa Public TV started up). Sometime in the early-1990s, ISU sold WOI-TV to a private company (Citadel is its current owner), though, with ISU's permission, still uses the WOI-TV calls (ISU still owns WOI radio, which is affiliated with NPR).
The first US non-commercial educational TV station on a channel specifically allocated for educational use was KUHT ch.8 in Houston, which signed on in 1953.
> A clash between
> NET and the CPB over network content led to the creation of
> PBS (Nov 3 1969). NET continued to supply PBS with
> programming, such as "Sesame Street" and "Mr. Roger's
> Neighborhood". When then-WNDT
> (first aired on Sept 9 1962) merged with NET on Feb 26,
> 1970, WNET was born and NET was formally dissolved.
Actually, WNDT became WNET much earlier, but don't know the exact date. As for NET, they continued into 1970, until October that year, when PBS actually started on-air. After PBS began broadcasting, NET remained around to some capacity for another couple of years or so, but only as a programming service.
I don't think there was any dispute between the CPB and NET, since experimental public broadcasting programs (seen as part of a program called "Public Broadcasting Laboratory") on NET proved successful, and PBS was created to expand on that idea.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by rugrats1 on 06/06/05 02:57 AM.</FONT></P>
> The first non-commercial educational TV station in the
> United States is WOI-TV, out of what is now Iowa State
> University in Ames (first aired in Feb 1950).
Though it was actually a commercial station owned by ISU, affiliated with ABC (since the 1960s, at least), though it showed some instructional programming for mornings (at least, until Iowa Public TV started up). Sometime in the early-1990s, ISU sold WOI-TV to a private company (Citadel is its current owner), though, with ISU's permission, still uses the WOI-TV calls (ISU still owns WOI radio, which is affiliated with NPR).
The first US non-commercial educational TV station on a channel specifically allocated for educational use was KUHT ch.8 in Houston, which signed on in 1953.
> A clash between
> NET and the CPB over network content led to the creation of
> PBS (Nov 3 1969). NET continued to supply PBS with
> programming, such as "Sesame Street" and "Mr. Roger's
> Neighborhood". When then-WNDT
> (first aired on Sept 9 1962) merged with NET on Feb 26,
> 1970, WNET was born and NET was formally dissolved.
Actually, WNDT became WNET much earlier, but don't know the exact date. As for NET, they continued into 1970, until October that year, when PBS actually started on-air. After PBS began broadcasting, NET remained around to some capacity for another couple of years or so, but only as a programming service.
I don't think there was any dispute between the CPB and NET, since experimental public broadcasting programs (seen as part of a program called "Public Broadcasting Laboratory") on NET proved successful, and PBS was created to expand on that idea.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by rugrats1 on 06/06/05 02:57 AM.</FONT></P>
K
KMRichards
Guest
Re: PBS share-time with other stations
> > A clash between
> > NET and the CPB over network content led to the creation
> of
> > PBS (Nov 3 1969). NET continued to supply PBS with
> > programming, such as "Sesame Street" and "Mr. Roger's
> > Neighborhood". When then-WNDT
> > (first aired on Sept 9 1962) merged with NET on Feb 26,
> > 1970, WNET was born and NET was formally dissolved.
>
> Actually, WNDT became WNET much earlier, but don't know the
> exact date. As for NET, they continued into 1970, until
> October that year, when PBS actually started on-air. After
> PBS began broadcasting, NET remained around to some capacity
> for another couple of years or so, but only as a programming
> service.
I highly recommend the book "Public Television: America's First Station" by William Hawes. Although it is about KUHT, it has insight about the NET/PBS history in some detail; Hawes was with KUHT at the beginning and stayed there through the early years of PBS.
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> > A clash between
> > NET and the CPB over network content led to the creation
> of
> > PBS (Nov 3 1969). NET continued to supply PBS with
> > programming, such as "Sesame Street" and "Mr. Roger's
> > Neighborhood". When then-WNDT
> > (first aired on Sept 9 1962) merged with NET on Feb 26,
> > 1970, WNET was born and NET was formally dissolved.
>
> Actually, WNDT became WNET much earlier, but don't know the
> exact date. As for NET, they continued into 1970, until
> October that year, when PBS actually started on-air. After
> PBS began broadcasting, NET remained around to some capacity
> for another couple of years or so, but only as a programming
> service.
I highly recommend the book "Public Television: America's First Station" by William Hawes. Although it is about KUHT, it has insight about the NET/PBS history in some detail; Hawes was with KUHT at the beginning and stayed there through the early years of PBS.
<P ID="signature">______________
</P>
Re: PBS share-time with other stations
> > A clash between
> > NET and the CPB over network content led to the creation
> of
> > PBS (Nov 3 1969). NET continued to supply PBS with
> > programming, such as "Sesame Street" and "Mr. Roger's
> > Neighborhood". When then-WNDT
> > (first aired on Sept 9 1962) merged with NET on Feb 26,
> > 1970, WNET was born and NET was formally dissolved.
>
> Actually, WNDT became WNET much earlier, but don't know the
> exact date. As for NET, they continued into 1970, until
> October that year, when PBS actually started on-air. After
> PBS began broadcasting, NET remained around to some capacity
> for another couple of years or so, but only as a programming
> service.
The info about WNDT/WNET was found on a website dedicated to the history of PBS. The first PBS ident was spoken in 1970 by then-"Days of Our Lives" star Macdonald Carey (lasted for a year). Like I said before, PBS was created by the CPB on Nov 3 1969. According to Wikipedia, the Ford Foundation, which first funded NET since its creation in 1952, threatened (in 1966) to withdraw that funding because of several controversial, social-conscious documentaries that aired. The federal government responded by creating the CPB in 1967 through President Lyndon B. Johnson's Public Broadcasting Act. Although the CPB funded NET at that time, the organization was set on creating its own public broadcasting network...independent of NET. That's where PBS came into the picture. Since early Nov 1969, the CPB and the Ford Foundation forced NET to merge with Newark, New Jersey's public broadcasting station, WNDT-TV, or lose its funding. The merger of NET and WNDT-TV took place in Oct 1970. NET signed off the air for good and PBS began broadcasting. Many popular NET shows, like "Sesame Street", "Mr. Roger's Neighborhood", "Wall Street", and "NET Journal", moved over to PBS.
As you say, NET remained a few more years as a supplier of programming to the then-new PBS.
History of WNET...founded on Jan 2 1948 as a commercial station, WATV. In 1961, the station was sold to the Educational Broadcasting Corporation, which converted Ch. 13 to a non-commercial educational station. WNDT signed on the air on Sept 16 1962. For a short while, there was also a WNTA, According to WNET's website (which commemorates 40 years of broadcasting 3 years ago), the call letters "WNET" were first used in Oct 1970 after NET and WNDT merged together.
Note: WNET's 40 anniversary, which was celebrated 3 years ago, only goes back to the station days as WNDT (didn't count the first 14 of Ch. 13's existence, since, at that time, was a commercial TV station).
> I don't think there was any dispute between the CPB and NET,
> since experimental public broadcasting programs (seen as
> part of a program called "Public Broadcasting Laboratory")
> on NET proved successful, and PBS was created to expand on
> that idea.
>
There was some documentaries that proved to be controversial, which aired on NET in the late 1960s. That led President Lyndon Johnson, in 1967, to create CPB. The first few years, the CPB was in support of NET because of the network's successful shows but later sought to create what is now PBS in 1969.<P ID="signature">______________
phil</P><P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by ohstuskaterpunk on 06/07/05 06:18 PM.</FONT></P>
> > A clash between
> > NET and the CPB over network content led to the creation
> of
> > PBS (Nov 3 1969). NET continued to supply PBS with
> > programming, such as "Sesame Street" and "Mr. Roger's
> > Neighborhood". When then-WNDT
> > (first aired on Sept 9 1962) merged with NET on Feb 26,
> > 1970, WNET was born and NET was formally dissolved.
>
> Actually, WNDT became WNET much earlier, but don't know the
> exact date. As for NET, they continued into 1970, until
> October that year, when PBS actually started on-air. After
> PBS began broadcasting, NET remained around to some capacity
> for another couple of years or so, but only as a programming
> service.
The info about WNDT/WNET was found on a website dedicated to the history of PBS. The first PBS ident was spoken in 1970 by then-"Days of Our Lives" star Macdonald Carey (lasted for a year). Like I said before, PBS was created by the CPB on Nov 3 1969. According to Wikipedia, the Ford Foundation, which first funded NET since its creation in 1952, threatened (in 1966) to withdraw that funding because of several controversial, social-conscious documentaries that aired. The federal government responded by creating the CPB in 1967 through President Lyndon B. Johnson's Public Broadcasting Act. Although the CPB funded NET at that time, the organization was set on creating its own public broadcasting network...independent of NET. That's where PBS came into the picture. Since early Nov 1969, the CPB and the Ford Foundation forced NET to merge with Newark, New Jersey's public broadcasting station, WNDT-TV, or lose its funding. The merger of NET and WNDT-TV took place in Oct 1970. NET signed off the air for good and PBS began broadcasting. Many popular NET shows, like "Sesame Street", "Mr. Roger's Neighborhood", "Wall Street", and "NET Journal", moved over to PBS.
As you say, NET remained a few more years as a supplier of programming to the then-new PBS.
History of WNET...founded on Jan 2 1948 as a commercial station, WATV. In 1961, the station was sold to the Educational Broadcasting Corporation, which converted Ch. 13 to a non-commercial educational station. WNDT signed on the air on Sept 16 1962. For a short while, there was also a WNTA, According to WNET's website (which commemorates 40 years of broadcasting 3 years ago), the call letters "WNET" were first used in Oct 1970 after NET and WNDT merged together.
Note: WNET's 40 anniversary, which was celebrated 3 years ago, only goes back to the station days as WNDT (didn't count the first 14 of Ch. 13's existence, since, at that time, was a commercial TV station).
> I don't think there was any dispute between the CPB and NET,
> since experimental public broadcasting programs (seen as
> part of a program called "Public Broadcasting Laboratory")
> on NET proved successful, and PBS was created to expand on
> that idea.
>
There was some documentaries that proved to be controversial, which aired on NET in the late 1960s. That led President Lyndon Johnson, in 1967, to create CPB. The first few years, the CPB was in support of NET because of the network's successful shows but later sought to create what is now PBS in 1969.<P ID="signature">______________
phil</P><P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by ohstuskaterpunk on 06/07/05 06:18 PM.</FONT></P>
K
KeithE
Guest
Re: PBS share-time with other stations
> Mjlarochelle asked:
>
> > This brings up another question. Before WNPE/16 in
> > Watertown (now WPBS) signed on in 1971, there was NET/PBS
> > programming on WWNY/7 for one or two years. Was WNPE
> > considered to exist as a share-time station on channel 7, or
> > was this just PBS programming that was on the WWNY schedule?
>
> I think what may have happened was that WWNY may have
> picked-up "Sesame Street" (and maybe some other NET/PBS
> children's programming) for a time until WNPE went on the
> air.
>
> When "Sesame Street" premiered in 1969, there were actually
> several cities that as of yet had no noncommercial stations.
> In at least some of these cities, the show was broadcast on
> a commercial station. Watertown/Carthage, New York was
> probably one of them.
In Indianapolis, Sesame Street was carried on ABC affiliate WLWI/13 for its first year, until WFYI/20 came on the air in late 1970. The reason for that was that WTIU/30 in Bloomington didn't make it to Indy well, if at all, and it was the only PBS station in central Indiana at the time. WTIU went on the air in March 1969.
> Mjlarochelle asked:
>
> > This brings up another question. Before WNPE/16 in
> > Watertown (now WPBS) signed on in 1971, there was NET/PBS
> > programming on WWNY/7 for one or two years. Was WNPE
> > considered to exist as a share-time station on channel 7, or
> > was this just PBS programming that was on the WWNY schedule?
>
> I think what may have happened was that WWNY may have
> picked-up "Sesame Street" (and maybe some other NET/PBS
> children's programming) for a time until WNPE went on the
> air.
>
> When "Sesame Street" premiered in 1969, there were actually
> several cities that as of yet had no noncommercial stations.
> In at least some of these cities, the show was broadcast on
> a commercial station. Watertown/Carthage, New York was
> probably one of them.
In Indianapolis, Sesame Street was carried on ABC affiliate WLWI/13 for its first year, until WFYI/20 came on the air in late 1970. The reason for that was that WTIU/30 in Bloomington didn't make it to Indy well, if at all, and it was the only PBS station in central Indiana at the time. WTIU went on the air in March 1969.
K
KeithE
Guest
Re: PBS share-time with other stations
> The first non-commercial educational TV station in the
> United States is WOI-TV, out of what is now Iowa State
> University in Ames (first aired in Feb 1950). The 100th
> station was in operation in 1964.
WOI-TV has always been a commercial station, even when it was owned by ISU. Since it was the only station in the Des Moines market for its first 4 years, it carried all 4 networks. It may have also carried ISU classroom programming on occasion, but it was licensed as a commercial station.
It was the first TV station in the country owned by a college or university, but non-commercial educational TV stations weren't authorized in 1950.
Link: WOI-TV History
<a target="_blank" href=http://www.woi-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=2353084&nav=1LFhSY5l>http://www.woi-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=2353084&nav=1LFhSY5l</a>
> The first non-commercial educational TV station in the
> United States is WOI-TV, out of what is now Iowa State
> University in Ames (first aired in Feb 1950). The 100th
> station was in operation in 1964.
WOI-TV has always been a commercial station, even when it was owned by ISU. Since it was the only station in the Des Moines market for its first 4 years, it carried all 4 networks. It may have also carried ISU classroom programming on occasion, but it was licensed as a commercial station.
It was the first TV station in the country owned by a college or university, but non-commercial educational TV stations weren't authorized in 1950.
Link: WOI-TV History
<a target="_blank" href=http://www.woi-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=2353084&nav=1LFhSY5l>http://www.woi-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=2353084&nav=1LFhSY5l</a>
Re: PBS share-time with other stations
I think WLUK in Green Bay may have carried the first few months of Sesame Street until WPNE was up and running. WLUK also carried three hours of in-school TV in the mornings funded by Northeastern Wisconsin In-School Television until public TV was ready. (WLUK was ABC at the time)
I think WLUK in Green Bay may have carried the first few months of Sesame Street until WPNE was up and running. WLUK also carried three hours of in-school TV in the mornings funded by Northeastern Wisconsin In-School Television until public TV was ready. (WLUK was ABC at the time)
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