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People with CarPlay are mostly just listening to AM/FM radio

anotherguyTN said:
Most of what I listen to in the car is music or podcasts that I downloaded to a flash drive. I don't have Apple Car Play, Android Auto or satellite radio, and I usually only have the radio on FM when my wife or daughter are riding with me. How does that count?
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The survey that started the post is a time spent listening survey, by percentage. So, ballpark, what percent of your listening time is music or podcasts from the flash drive and what percent is radio (usually FM)?
 
gr8oldies said:
Hmm. Survey says "People with CarPlay are listening to AM/FM Radio"
Everyone on a radio discussion board: "No they aren't"
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No, survey says people with CarPlay only listen to AM/FM radio 46% of the time.

Controversy comes when the writer for 9 to 5 Mac frames it as "People with CarPlay are mostly just listening to AM/FM radio", when the survey shows that 54% of the time, they're listening to everything but that.
 
michael hagerty said:
The survey that started the post is a time spent listening survey, by percentage. So, ballpark, what percent of your listening time is music or podcasts from the flash drive and what percent is radio (usually FM)?
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Probably 80% flash drive, 20% FM, and no AM. But what was on the flash drive usually came from a download online.
 
michael hagerty said:
Controversy comes when the writer for 9 to 5 Mac frames it as "People with CarPlay are mostly just listening to AM/FM radio", when the survey shows that 54% of the time, they're listening to everything but that.
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But he is specific in the things they listen to. AM/FM is one thing, Spotify is another, Apple Music is another. Sirius, etc.

The 46% figure is the largest of the things they listen to. No other single thing is anywhere near the 46% figure.

If you eliminate Sirius from the "other" since it's not a streaming service, then AM/FM is the majority.
 
TheBigA said:
But he is specific in the things they listen to. AM/FM is one thing, Spotify is another, Apple Music is another. Sirius, etc.

The 46% figure is the largest of the things they listen to. No other single thing is anywhere near the 46% figure.

If you eliminate Sirius from the "other" since it's not a streaming service, then AM/FM is the majority.
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How can 46% be a majority. It’s still less than half of all listens.
 
Don CT said:
How can 46% be a majority. It’s still less than half of all listens.
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Think of it in terms of an election. If you have 4 candidates and after the final tally Candidate 1 gets 46% of the vote, while Candidate 2 gets 22% of the vote, Candidate 3 gets 13% and Candidate 4 gets 11%, that means Candidate 1 wins the election with the largest majority of votes, even though he didn't even get half the votes overall.
 
TheBigA said:
But he is specific in the things they listen to. AM/FM is one thing, Spotify is another, Apple Music is another. Sirius, etc.

The 46% figure is the largest of the things they listen to. No other single thing is anywhere near the 46% figure.

If you eliminate Sirius from the "other" since it's not a streaming service, then AM/FM is the majority.
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I might buy off on lumping SiriusXM under "radio" (and if you use a computer or smartphone to listen to it, SiriusXM is, in fact, streaming---it's only satellite if you have the sat antenna), but the question wasn't asked that way. It was "AM/FM".

That means time spent listening to SiriusXM needed to be counted separately.
 
Mikey Radio said:
Think of it in terms of an election. If you have 4 candidates and after the final tally Candidate 1 gets 46% of the vote, while Candidate 2 gets 22% of the vote, Candidate 3 gets 13% and Candidate 4 gets 11%, that means Candidate 1 wins the election with the largest majority of votes, even though he didn't even get half the votes overall.
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Yeah. That's called a "plurality", not a "majority".
 
TheBigA said:
They could also listen to AM/FM that way
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I mean you could....but...

You're in a car. You have Apple CarPlay. The infotainment system also has a button for "Radio". Unless it's a station you can't receive a clean OTA signal from, why wouldn't you just press "Radio"?
 
michael hagerty said:
You're in a car. You have Apple CarPlay. The infotainment system also has a button for "Radio". Unless it's a station you can't receive a clean OTA signal from, why wouldn't you just press "Radio"?
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I'm just going by what I read in the article. The article wasn't specific about HOW the people received radio, was it?

If they're using CarPlay, as the article says, then they're streaming.
 
TheBigA said:
I'm just going by what I read in the article. The article wasn't specific about HOW the people received radio, was it?

If they're using CarPlay, as the article says, then they're streaming.
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The article (and the survey, part of Edison's "Share of Ear Survey"), talks about the habits of people who don't have Apple CarPlay versus those who do:

People who have neither CarPlay or Android Auto:

  • 67% of time spent listening to AM/FM radio
  • 9% of time spent listening to streaming services like Apple Music
  • 12% of time spent listening to SiriusXM
  • 4% of time spent listening to podcasts
  • 8% of time spent listening to “other”
People with Apple CarPlay or Android Auto

  • 46% of time spent listening to AM/FM radio
  • 18% of time spent listening to streaming services like Apple Music
  • 19% of time spent listening to SiriusXM
  • 7% of time spent listening to podcasts
  • 10% of time spent listening to “other”
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Having Apple CarPlay (or Android Auto) doesn't commit you to streaming. It's simply an interface that gives you easier access to options beyond AM/FM radio.

As the data on people who have neither CarPlay nor Android Auto shows, those people also listen to streaming services like Apple Music (a separate thing from, but available through, Apple CarPlay), SiriusXM, podcasts and other audio.

But people with Apple CarPlay and Android Auto spend more time listening to those non-AM/FM sources---possibly because Apple CarPlay and Android Auto make it easier and more convenient to do so.
 
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michael hagerty said:
But people with Apple CarPlay and Android Auto spend more time listening to those non-AM/FM sources
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I'm not questioning the 46/54 split. Just pointing out that only 10% was categorized as "other," not 54%,

You're lumping non AM/FM into other, which is not what the poll does.
 
TheBigA said:
I'm not questioning the 46/54 split. Just pointing out that only 10% was categorized as "other," not 54%,

You're lumping non AM/FM into other, which is not what the poll does.
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Here's what Edison says in the actual report:

The top bar shows that among listeners who don’t have Apple CarPlay or Android Auto, they spend the majority of their in-car audio time, 67%, listening to AM/FM radio, including over-the-air and streams. They spend 9% of their audio time streaming, 12% with SiriusXM, 4% with Podcasts, and 8% of their audio time with some other audio source, such as CDs.

The bottom bar shows that those who do have Apple CarPlay or Android Auto in their primary vehicles spend twice as much time streaming: 18% of their daily in-car audio time is spent streaming, compared with 9% of daily in-car audio time spent streaming by those without the systems. They also spend more of their daily in-car audio time with podcasts than listeners who don’t have the systems: 7% compared with 4%.Listeners who do have Apple CarPlay or Android Auto spend 46% of their time with AM/FM — 27% less than those who don’t have CarPlay or Auto.
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I made no assumptions about what constitutes "other", but Edison tells us in the first paragraph---some other audio source (not AM/FM, not streaming from a music service, not Sirius XM, not podcasts, which are broken out separately)---"such as CDs". I suppose audiobooks, airchecks (for those of us who are just enough of the right kind of geek) and for folks with really old cars, cassettes, would fall into that "other" category.

The top paragraph also gives us a bit of information I missed on the first read---that AM/FM number includes over-the-air and streams. So the streaming options figure does not include radio streams.
 
TheBigA said:
I read it and it says AM/FM is 46 and streaming is 18. Right? That's the point of comparison because the CarPlay makes streaming easier. Read Pierre Bouvard's take on that same poll.
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Literally the last line of my post two posts up:


...people with Apple CarPlay and Android Auto spend more time listening to those non-AM/FM sources---possibly because Apple CarPlay and Android Auto make it easier and more convenient to do so.


We agree on the numbers. We agree on the reason. I'm trying to figure out what it is I'm saying that gets you saying this:

You're lumping non AM/FM into other, which is not what the poll does.
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