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Pioneer Says No Thanks To HD Radio

Pioneer Says No Thanks To HD Radio

Pioneer North America, Inc. (“PNA”) does not take a position as to whether the proposed merger should be approved. However, iBiquity Digital Corporation (“iBiquity”) has proposed certain conditions on the merger, should it be approved.
I explained PNA’s opposition to these conditions. The iBiquity conditions would limit the breadth of radio product offerings to consumers, limit which radio component suppliers’ products be designed into radios, have the effect of decreasing AM/FM tuning performance, unnecessarily increase costs to consumers uninterested in HD Radio and interfere with the useful and healthy free market mechanisms extant in radio electronics purchases.
Free terrestrial analog and terrestrial digital radio services should be allowed to compete with paid satellite digital radio services on an even playing field. Consumers should be allowed to choose radios which meet their needs, without undue government influence. It is our belief that HD Radio should compete in the marketplace with other ra-dio services: if free local digital terrestrial radio services are compelling to consumers, HD Radio technology will succeed in the marketplace. In this case, the free market is the best measure of the public interest.

http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdf&id_document=6520011523]
 
Re: Pioneer Says No Thanks To HD Radio

Pioneer is 127.5% correct. Nice that at least one electronics manufacturer has balls. This idea from iBquity is just another ploy to force a flawed system on the consumer market. Let the public decide. If HD is the be all end all, people will find it, right?

Maybe not! ;D
 
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It's nice to see that iBiquity and the HD Alliance have endeared themselves to consumer electronics manufacturers much in the same way they're loved by broadcasters.

"People will find HD," that's for sure. In the bargain bin, clearance-return counter, etc.
 
Re: Pioneer Says No Thanks To HD Radio

wgliradio said:
Pioneer is 127.5% correct. Nice that at least one electronics manufacturer has balls. This idea from iBquity is just another ploy to force a flawed system on the consumer market. Let the public decide. If HD is the be all end all, people will find it, right?

Adding insult to injury - the Pioneer Supertuner 3D uses the same chipset as the Sangean HDT-1X. In other words - if they were willing to pay the fee to iBquity - they could sell HD radios easily. But they are using the chipset for the adaptive IF capability, which makes their FM car radios extremely selective and sensitive. In other words - to enhance ANALOG reception.

Hats off to Pioneer for making car radios that equal or better the performance of the legendary Marantz 10B. When you are out there 150 miles from the nearest FM station, Pioneer really makes a difference.
 
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Great observation, rbruce... And I just verified it to be true... ‘An unencumbered “HD chipset” used to provide exemplary ANALOG performance. Hats-off to Pioneer! 'Seems the I-folks are getting their confiscatory royalty payments... But the HD isn't "on" DARN :'(
 
Re: Pioneer Says No Thanks To HD Radio

Savage said:
It's nice to see that iBiquity and the HD Alliance have endeared themselves to consumer electronics manufacturers much in the same way they're loved by broadcasters.

"People will find HD," that's for sure. In the bargain bin, clearance-return counter, etc.

One guy from another forum in which I'm in the process of getting thrown off of found an Accurian in a Goodwill Thrift Shop for 6 bucks ;D

This is the forum some our old friends now find themselves in adoring company:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1029677
 
Re: Pioneer Says No Thanks To HD Radio

(After reading above noted link)
I can't believe this guy says the Accurian is the best sounding AM radio he has. :eek:
That speaks volumes.
Let's someone donate a radio to this guy. Where'n the the heck is he?
I'd love to see a list of what he does have to listen to AM on.
 
Re: Pioneer Says No Thanks To HD Radio

KB1OKL said:
Savage said:
It's nice to see that iBiquity and the HD Alliance have endeared themselves to consumer electronics manufacturers much in the same way they're loved by broadcasters.

"People will find HD," that's for sure. In the bargain bin, clearance-return counter, etc.

One guy from another forum in which I'm in the process of getting thrown off of found an Accurian in a Goodwill Thrift Shop for 6 bucks ;D

This is the forum some our old friends now find themselves in adoring company:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1029677



http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13976397#post13976397


You forgot to include to include this link. You know, the one where you got tossed for not playing nice.
 
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KB1OKL said:
Savage said:
It's nice to see that iBiquity and the HD Alliance have endeared themselves to consumer electronics manufacturers much in the same way they're loved by broadcasters.

"People will find HD," that's for sure. In the bargain bin, clearance-return counter, etc.

One guy from another forum in which I'm in the process of getting thrown off of found an Accurian in a Goodwill Thrift Shop for 6 bucks ;D

This is the forum some our old friends now find themselves in adoring company:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1029677

You guys are really pathetic, haunting blogs and any possible mention of hd/iboc.

-even use the same handles, what are you hoping to accomplish, become known as the "HD Avengers".

What do you do, scan google all day?

Its here, approved, being installed, sets are being made. You're just gonna have to live with it.

The only thing I'am sorry about is when people come here expecting factual discussion and get idiotic lies instead.

But it is a form of entertainment.

Lino
 
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Well excuse me Lino – I have never considered myself “pathetic”, nor have I “haunted blogs”... I’m merely commenting on technology that is DEFECTIVE and has been clearly-rejected by the marketplace. There is no cogent argument in the opposite. The crew just outside the Beltway are toast... Their is no feasible IPO, because there is no substance they can offer. Their “HD technology” is a sham [promoted by deception]. As a youngman, I first learned in college that the marketplace is smarter than us... That will reign supreme in this debate.

HD on FM offers little... HD on AM merely contributes to the objectionable interference that mires the band... This is very bad science!
 
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The FM has "minor faults" but is a viable product. I don't see that stereo decode or the 1-2db of squizzly-hiss issues are
gonna hurt anything in ciites. But there's no real crying need for the HD-2s and 3s except in congested areas, where
formats go missing, such as Country in NYC, etc.

The AM doesn't "contribute" to the noise on the AM broadcast band, it ushers in a new paradigm in
offensive noisemaking. Its unprecedented splat could only be achieved in the past with faulty circuits creating
bad parasitic oscillation. Such conditions were immediately addressed by good engineers,
and I'm pretty sure you could receive hefty fines for letting your modulation products fall significantly on others' frequency.
I don't think the Soviet Union ever bothered to jam on 530-1600.
They knew to stick to shortwave, where the cost justified the distance effectiveness.

If this AM system can be called science, it is the science of spiteful antagonistic spectrum pollution.

If WLS weren't running daytime splat, for instance, I'd have my preferred oldies station back. (WGTO AM 910).
I can find no justification for destroying a signal 20 khz removed.

I applaud Pioneer for knowing when to put a clothespin on their nose.
 
Re: Pioneer Says No Thanks To HD Radio

R.F. Burns said:
KB1OKL said:
Savage said:
It's nice to see that iBiquity and the HD Alliance have endeared themselves to consumer electronics manufacturers much in the same way they're loved by broadcasters.

"People will find HD," that's for sure. In the bargain bin, clearance-return counter, etc.

One guy from another forum in which I'm in the process of getting thrown off of found an Accurian in a Goodwill Thrift Shop for 6 bucks ;D

This is the forum some our old friends now find themselves in adoring company:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1029677



http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13976397#post13976397


You forgot to include to include this link. You know, the one where you got tossed for not playing nice.

Incidentally RF I did not post either one of these, you again have me mixed up with someone else. I posted some posts in them but that's it. I did get suspended from there but nothing to do with those two posts. Mine got deleted, in fact it was a link to this thread.
 
Re: Pioneer Says No Thanks To HD Radio

Tom Wells said:
I applaud Pioneer for knowing when to put a clothespin on their nose.

One of the great lines of the whole thread. You've heard of smell-o-vision, now we have stink-o-radio.
 
Re: Pioneer Says No Thanks To HD Radio

Here's a thought...why doesn't Pioneer out is money where its' pen is. Why doen't Pioneer take the industry lead, and make their receivers and car radios the "pioneer" in quality AM by using the Motorola Symphony chip? After reading the papers on it, my lost hope for quality AM/AM Stereo has been renewed. I had long forgotten about it. Instead of hash and crunch when I listen to my beloved Phillies on 1210, I'll hear smooth audio with very reasonable fidelity. AND AS AN ADDED BONUS...they, and a thousand more stations already have the C-Quam paid for and ready to go in the rack...just plug it in.

I enjoy listening to the Eagles games on FM, not because of the bandwidth, but because of the excitement and theatrics of the stereo crowd..in the car, it's like sitting in the stadium.

Let AM do what it does well...analog. Let it be it's best, wideband analog stereo.
 
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