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POLITICO: Cumulus to drop Limbaugh and Hannity at end of the year

This has been rumoured for months. We'll see. Cumulus will suffer a big ratings hit if they proceed, but would have lower costs. Their intent was seemingly to have Huckabee fill the 12-3 slot, but his ratings have been middling and he's even indicated he may not do radio for much longer without a hefty raise.

Both Limbaugh and Hannity would get new outlets in all the impacted markets, on CC stations if no other company picked them up. Admittedly, a lot of these would be inferior signals to what Cumulus has. In Detroit for example, the shows would likely move from WJR, a 50K Watt Clear Channel blowtorch to AM1130, currently a weak sports station which would likely have a format tweak to talk while still clearing FSR shows in certain dayparts. Or they might shift 106.7FM to talk.

Smiliar decisions would have to be made by CC in all the affected markets, but Limbaugh and Hannity would not lose a single market because of this and Cumulus' ratings will be significantly impacted in the short term.

A lose-lose deal if I ever saw one.
 
No problem, they'll flip formats on WGRB or WFXF with an ad campaign built around the move of Limbaugh and Hannity and would add other Premiere talkers or others shows not cleared in the market or who are looking for a new deal. They might even add a local talk show.

CC has more than enough stations to ensure that Limbaugh is cleared in every market.

How investors will react to the great drop in Cumulus top line revenue that will result from this will determine if Dickey survives as CEO.
 
Fenway1912 said:
Limbaugh rushing out of Cumulus Media to WOR, Sean Hannity in tow

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/entertai...g-cumulus-wor-article-1.1411314#ixzz2aPVV8af1

Chicago will be a big headache for CC - WGN not an option, WIND would never pay.

True. I can't see Salem paying all that cash for either of them, especially when they have their own stable of hosts. WGN is definitely not an option - it would kill that station, and they've actually started to improve as of late.

Chicago will be a challenge. Add to that Washington, DC, Dallas, Detroit and a few others. Will CC be desperate enough to blow up a music-oriented FM in any of those markets to clear those shows? Are either of these shows really important anymore?
 
In markets in which stations have dropped or lost Rush, and the current station continued with the right-wing talk format, Rush has lost listeners. Some listeners follow Rush. Some stay with the station. Proportions vary. In many of these markets, Rush has been the only option for right-wing talk (or close to the only option, allowing for a weak stick Salem outlet or some such). People listening to Rush out of habit or because nobody else on the radio was speaking for them will drop out. People leaning right but sick of Rush's diatribe may come back for the "kinder, gentler" and more civil Huckabee. That's been the pattern so far.

Even more important, Rush has been losing advertisers and ad revenue. Another option, on established, heritage blow-torch stations in many markets, is likely to increase the flow of ad dollars away from Rush (and Bain Channel).

Those with blind loyalty to Rush (and Hannity) may get a surprise before this time next year. Rush will probably stay on but he will be limping along, sort of like the I-man.

PS: The Politico article makes clear, this is about money. Bain Channel-Premiere's wants big bucks to carry these two shows. Nothing new. This has drawn complaints before but stations apparently thought they've had no choice but to pay up. If Cumulus' stations see black in without Rush and Hannity, look for more stations to refuse to fork over cash to Bain.
 
Huckabee and Limbaugh already compete head to head in many markets, Huckabee doesn't lead in a single one.

Premiere will promote the heck out of whatever station picks up the shows in the markets where Cumulus drops them.
 
FredLeonard said:
In markets in which stations have dropped or lost Rush, and the current station continued with the right-wing talk format, Rush has lost listeners. Some listeners follow Rush. Some stay with the station. Proportions vary. In many of these markets, Rush has been the only option for right-wing talk (or close to the only option, allowing for a weak stick Salem outlet or some such). People listening to Rush out of habit or because nobody else on the radio was speaking for them will drop out. People leaning right but sick of Rush's diatribe may come back for the "kinder, gentler" and more civil Huckabee. That's been the pattern so far.

Even more important, Rush has been losing advertisers and ad revenue. Another option, on established, heritage blow-torch stations in many markets, is likely to increase the flow of ad dollars away from Rush (and Bain Channel).

Those with blind loyalty to Rush (and Hannity) may get a surprise before this time next year. Rush will probably stay on but he will be limping along, sort of like the I-man.

PS: The Politico article makes clear, this is about money. Bain Channel-Premiere's wants big bucks to carry these two shows. Nothing new. This has drawn complaints before but stations apparently thought they've had no choice but to pay up. If Cumulus' stations see black in without Rush and Hannity, look for more stations to refuse to fork over cash to Bain.

It will be interesting. In some markets, Limbaugh is on the biggest stick and any other choice is on a less than great signal. Will it be like in Boston where the signal wasn't sufficient to attract volumes of listeners?
 
As Glenn Beck is also Premiere and has his own radio network (The Blaze Radio Network), why doesn't Beck pick up Rush and Hannity for the Blaze. Also, have the Blaze take over Sirius' Patriot station and have CC put the Blaze on its stations and/or any other non-Cumulus stations (like Merlin's WWIQ in Philadelphia).

This super lineup would look like this:

5-9 - The Blaze Morning Program (Doc Thompson currently. Could combine Doc with Wilkow who would have to move to accommodate Rush. My choice is to have Pat & Stu for the morning program, because they would be perfect).
9-12 - Beck
12-3 Rush
3-6 Hannity
6-9 A choice of either Wilkow, Jay Severin or (my personal choice) Buck Sexton
9-12 Again, either Wilkow, Severin or Sexton depending on who is selected for 6-9.
12-5 Coast to Coast (also a Premiere program).

That would be an amazing lineup. The Blaze can continue on all platforms including iHeart as well.

This is the perfect solution. In fact, I wonder if Beck saw the coming changes and built this radio network for such a possibility. As for those without a daily position on the Patriot, move them to the weekends along with the Best of shows for Beck, Rush & Hannity.
 
sjs1959 said:
Yeah, I know Rush is syndicated by Premiere, but this is going to take a big hunk out of him. The end is not as far off as people think.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media...-rush-limbaugh-sean-hannity-169371.html?hp=f2
It is bad enough the media refuses to be honest about this. Those in the business pushing this line are either board ops, naive or ignorant.

This will not hurt Rush or Hannity one bit. They lose 40 stations, they will pick up 40 stations. Period.

The Stop Rush movement will claim credit, the media will pretend this is a content issue and not a business decision and then they will ignore the 40 new stations.

The loser here is Cumulus, maybe Premiere takes a slight hit initially but Rush and Hannity will not even notice this.
 
So if Rush and Sean move to WOR in NYC, what happens to Joan Hamburg, Dave Ramsey and Rita Crosby?
 
Both of these shows have peaked. They peaked a long time ago. But their hosts and fans are still living in the past.

Yes they are the big dogs, and yes they continually beat the Cumulus hosts. But when the dollars are counted at the end of the year, it's basically a wash. The money you pay for the higher ratings isn't worth it. For Cumulus, it's AM content anyway. That's simply not a growth area. They'll replace news talk with sports, and call it a day. Less controversy, younger demos, and lower cost.
 
Okay, Beck is now speaking (at the 10:35 am spot) on this subject now. So let it be known that my earlier post was before Beck spoke on this and he pretty much indicated that the Blaze is a "fallout shelter" and would welcome Rush & Hannity.

This will be interesting. And I agree that Cumulus will be the loser after the dust settles.
 
TheBigA said:
Both of these shows have peaked. They peaked a long time ago. But their hosts and fans are still living in the past.
BUT their plateau is still far above other's peaks.

Yes they are the big dogs, and yes they continually beat the Cumulus hosts. But when the dollars are counted at the end of the year, it's basically a wash. The money you pay for the higher ratings isn't worth it. For Cumulus, it's AM content anyway. That's simply not a growth area. They'll replace news talk with sports, and call it a day. Less controversy, younger demos, and lower cost.
We will find out if you are correct when Cumulus announces how they do with all their Local Morning Shows/Geraldo/Huckabee/???/Levin/Savage/Red Eye Radio stations.
 
RadioTalker101 said:
TheBigA said:
Both of these shows have peaked. They peaked a long time ago. But their hosts and fans are still living in the past.
BUT their plateau is still far above other's peaks.

It doesn't matter. It's all AM, and it's all dying. In the end, ratings don't matter. Revenues do. And the revenue from AM news/talk is dropping because of aging demos and controversy. In a few years, it will occupy half the bandwidth is does now. News/Talk is the next Smooth Jazz, for the same reason.
 
Despite some in the media to spin this as 'the end of talk radio', as already pointed out by Fred and others (as well as Red State.com), this is only about money as Cumulus is not changing formats, but would continue in the talk radio business with its own lineup.

(Maybe a too obvious point, but just wanted to put it out there anyway. Lots of angles on this topics. That's why this site is so great).
 
RadioTalker101 said:
sjs1959 said:
Yeah, I know Rush is syndicated by Premiere, but this is going to take a big hunk out of him. The end is not as far off as people think.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media...-rush-limbaugh-sean-hannity-169371.html?hp=f2
It is bad enough the media refuses to be honest about this. Those in the business pushing this line are either board ops, naive or ignorant.

This will not hurt Rush or Hannity one bit. They lose 40 stations, they will pick up 40 stations. Period.

The Stop Rush movement will claim credit, the media will pretend this is a content issue and not a business decision and then they will ignore the 40 new stations.

The loser here is Cumulus, maybe Premiere takes a slight hit initially but Rush and Hannity will not even notice this.

I'm not sure about Washington. CC would either have to sacrifice DC 101, WASH FM, Big 100.3, or Hot 99.5 if they can't find another station to carry the show.
 
TheBigA said:
RadioTalker101 said:
TheBigA said:
Both of these shows have peaked. They peaked a long time ago. But their hosts and fans are still living in the past.
BUT their plateau is still far above other's peaks.

It doesn't matter. It's all AM, and it's all dying. In the end, ratings don't matter. Revenues do. And the revenue from AM news/talk is dropping because of aging demos and controversy. In a few years, it will occupy half the bandwidth is does now. News/Talk is the next Smooth Jazz, for the same reason.

THIS. The demos for this are all 55+ and no agency will touch it. Within the next 18 months, both of them will be on small-market AMs and satellite and that will be the end. All the denial in the industry won't change that.
 
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