Pre X-Band New Jersey DX West Of That State?

[Steve Green NEPA]

Well, we're living west of Allentown
And at night the skywave skip trickles down
South from Maryland comes Baltimore
Schenectady
Comes in from the North

But there's nothing from the Jersey Shore
Nor along the U.S. 1 corridor
There's no Trenton ; there's no Pompton Lakes
'New York, New York',
But no Garden State

Okay. You get the idea.

Nowadays, 1660 and 1680 are obvious 'given's. But *before* those X-band stations came on, what were some New Jersey AM catches, if any, for you DXers in, say, Ohio? Florida? Texas?

On a guess, I'd say one of the graveyarders surfaced, such as 1450, 1340, 1400. But let's see.

 

[gr8oldies]

Never anything from NJ in Ohio until Elizabeth signed on on 1660.

 

[w9wi]

Nowadays, 1660 and 1680 are obvious 'given's. But *before* those X-band stations came on, what were some New Jersey AM catches, if any, for you DXers in, say, Ohio? Florida? Texas?

On a guess, I'd say one of the graveyarders surfaced, such as 1450, 1340, 1400. But let's see.

Man, graveyarders are nearly impossible at that distance.

I've never heard NJ outside the X-band here in Nashville. 1160 did bomb in to Mom's place in Milwaukee one morning a couple of years back.

(it'd be a lot easier if one counted AM stations by transmitter site rather than city-of-license!)

 

[radioman148]

Nowadays, 1660 and 1680 are obvious 'given's. But *before* those X-band stations came on, what were some New Jersey AM catches, if any, for you DXers in, say, Ohio? Florida? Texas?

On a guess, I'd say one of the graveyarders surfaced, such as 1450, 1340, 1400. But let's see.

Man, graveyarders are nearly impossible at that distance.

I've never heard NJ outside the X-band here in Nashville. 1160 did bomb in to Mom's place in Milwaukee one morning a couple of years back.

(it'd be a lot easier if one counted AM stations by transmitter site rather than city-of-license!)

No chance for that now with 1160 in Chicago beaming 50KW north at night.

 

[Steve Green NEPA]

LOL about WVNJ 1160 in Milwaukee. I know the fellow who was CE there for a while. The owners R E A L L Y wanted the stature of 50,000 watts slamming as close as they could through midtown Manhattan, and my buddy had their signal going every which way, trying to avoid co-channel 1160 stations and adjacents. The present signal, last I heard, made the Westchester (NY) ratings back when Westchester had a *book*, and blasts into Montauk Point, over a hundred miles due East. He could only get the peak power to 20,000 watts without Lakewood NJ screaming, though. Perhaps the Milwaukee Mom's place caught one of my pal's directional experiments.

'Whoops! No! That's west!'

Lakewood, incidentally, which was the first 1160 in the state, serving that glorious north Jersey shoreline, originally had to pull their signal in away from Somerville/Bridgewater, which had its own 1170 station on back at least as far as the 70's. Evidently, Lakewood/Toms River didn't/couldn't move more wattage north, anywhere near NYC, because of 1170 (I remember the 1170 calls as something like WLRW but am probably wrong). So WVNJ 1160 had room to move in.

As I mentioned, we're just a bit west of Allentown, but more stations come in here to NE PA from Maryland than from New Jersey even though New Jersey's actual real estate is 45 miles away. If NJ conditions are substandard here on AM, they have to be worse west of here.

Am surprised that the DXers to the west of here hadn't gotten WKMB 1070 (250 watts but omni), or the true regional 620 from Newark. And WMID 1340 Atlantic City had lots of reception reports, albeit up and down the coast.

WJZ Disney 640, anyone? Back in their Standards days; in fact, the day I moved here to NEPA, I took that on a stock 1974 Nova radio from Suffolk County Long Island straight past NYC (with a bit of WFAN hash) and into my present home in NE PA.

 

[w9wi]

No chance for that now with 1160 in Chicago beaming 50KW north at night.

Yeah, that is one monster signal. It's not half-bad down here in Nashville at night either. (OK, I'm 30 miles northwest of downtown, so the local station on 1160 doesn't make it out here after sunset) Sure wish they were still simulcasting WXRT!

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Am surprised that the DXers to the west of here hadn't gotten WKMB 1070 (250 watts but omni), or the true regional 620 from Newark.

Newark 620 (now licensed to Jersey City) is a pretty tight pattern due east-southeast. I'm not sure everyone they're protecting but WTMJ Milwaukee would be at the top of the list. Syracuse, WIP Philly, 610 Manchester NH, and the 630s in Wilkes-Barre and Washington are probably part of the mix.

I would imagine any NJ daytimer that did a "DX Test" (operated day pattern at night with Morse IDs during the midnight-6am "experimental period") would be pretty widely heard.

 

[radioman148]

No chance for that now with 1160 in Chicago beaming 50KW north at night.

Yeah, that is one monster signal. It's not half-bad down here in Nashville at night either. (OK, I'm 30 miles northwest of downtown, so the local station on 1160 doesn't make it out here after sunset) Sure wish they were still simulcasting WXRT!

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Am surprised that the DXers to the west of here hadn't gotten WKMB 1070 (250 watts but omni), or the true regional 620 from Newark.

Newark 620 (now licensed to Jersey City) is a pretty tight pattern due east-southeast. I'm not sure everyone they're protecting but WTMJ Milwaukee would be at the top of the list. Syracuse, WIP Philly, 610 Manchester NH, and the 630s in Wilkes-Barre and Washington are probably part of the mix.

I would imagine any NJ daytimer that did a "DX Test" (operated day pattern at night with Morse IDs during the midnight-6am "experimental period") would be pretty widely heard.

I'm surprised you're currently getting Chicago's 1160 near Nashville as Chicago sends most of their signal north.

 

[BobOnTheJob]

Nowadays, 1660 and 1680 are obvious 'given's. But *before* those X-band stations came on, what were some New Jersey AM catches, if any, for you DXers in, say, Ohio? Florida? Texas?

On a guess, I'd say one of the graveyarders surfaced, such as 1450, 1340, 1400. But let's see.

Man, graveyarders are nearly impossible at that distance.

I've never heard NJ outside the X-band here in Nashville. 1160 did bomb in to Mom's place in Milwaukee one morning a couple of years back.

(it'd be a lot easier if one counted AM stations by transmitter site rather than city-of-license!)

No chance for that now with 1160 in Chicago beaming 50KW north at night.

Oh for the good 'ole days when 1160/Chicago signed off at sunset in Salt Lake City & the only thing on 1160 (KSL) was into Ohio every night.

 

[radioman148]

Nowadays, 1660 and 1680 are obvious 'given's. But *before* those X-band stations came on, what were some New Jersey AM catches, if any, for you DXers in, say, Ohio? Florida? Texas?

On a guess, I'd say one of the graveyarders surfaced, such as 1450, 1340, 1400. But let's see.

Man, graveyarders are nearly impossible at that distance.

I've never heard NJ outside the X-band here in Nashville. 1160 did bomb in to Mom's place in Milwaukee one morning a couple of years back.

(it'd be a lot easier if one counted AM stations by transmitter site rather than city-of-license!)

No chance for that now with 1160 in Chicago beaming 50KW north at night.

Oh for the good 'ole days when 1160/Chicago signed off at sunset in Salt Lake City & the only thing on 1160 (KSL) was into Ohio every night.

Yup and the real good old days when Salt Lake City & Chicago were the only ones on 1160.