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Pulse 87.7 FM/Channel 6: Should Z-100,WKTU,Hot 97 and Kiss FM worry?

neo11 said:
The mistake people seem to make about 87.7 is that their audio is not really "TV audio" even though they are the audio portion of the Channel 6 VHF frequency. They have full FM modulation. However, the signal is obviously significantly weaker than Z100. Despite that, while I can't see them competing with any of the big boys, they might get enough of a following to shave a small portion of the audience from stations like Z100, Hot 97, KTU, etc. If they can generate a buzz on the streets, and get a loyal audience, even if it's small, then they will have succeeded in what they are trying to do and what their advertisers would likely be looking for.
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If it's a fully modulated and processed "FM" audio chain they're using, how bad does it sound when a TV is tuned to channel 6? It must be horrific. I've never heard TV audio that was as loud and pumped as FM stations - TV audio is always quiet and natural sounding.

...and furthermore, what happens to the station when the television analog sunset happens in 2009? How do they expect people to listen when they flash-cut to digital TV? ;D
 
Zach said:
neo11 said:
The mistake people seem to make about 87.7 is that their audio is not really "TV audio" even though they are the audio portion of the Channel 6 VHF frequency. They have full FM modulation. However, the signal is obviously significantly weaker than Z100. Despite that, while I can't see them competing with any of the big boys, they might get enough of a following to shave a small portion of the audience from stations like Z100, Hot 97, KTU, etc. If they can generate a buzz on the streets, and get a loyal audience, even if it's small, then they will have succeeded in what they are trying to do and what their advertisers would likely be looking for.
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If it's a fully modulated and processed "FM" audio chain they're using, how bad does it sound when a TV is tuned to channel 6? It must be horrific. I've never heard TV audio that was as loud and pumped as FM stations - TV audio is always quiet and natural sounding.

...and furthermore, what happens to the station when the television analog sunset happens in 2009? How do they expect people to listen when they flash-cut to digital TV? ;D
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I think it's already been discussed that the FCC will let LPTV's broadcast their analog signal past the 2009 switchover. Not permanently but possibly for a year or a few years more. Here it is: http://www.dtv.gov/consumercorner.html#faq22

As far as tuning a TV to channel 6, I've gotten nothing but static on both audio and video when tuning any of my TV's to that channel, and I only live a few miles away from the Citicorp building. In contrast, the FM audio comes through loud and clear on any radio I have.
 
Zach said:
If it's a fully modulated and processed "FM" audio chain they're using, how bad does it sound when a TV is tuned to channel 6? It must be horrific. I've never heard TV audio that was as loud and pumped as FM stations - TV audio is always quiet and natural sounding.

...and furthermore, what happens to the station when the television analog sunset happens in 2009? How do they expect people to listen when they flash-cut to digital TV? ;D
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The LP TV on channel 7 in Philly did that...sounded horrible.
 
Darn... Although, If I was offered a JOb in nyc for anything I'd take it ;)

Why do you think it might be alternative rock?
It has been confirmed it will be CHR/Urban/dance
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How can this station operate as a FM station? FM stations can modualate +/- 75 kHz . TV audio carrier only +/- 25 kHz. Also, stereo pilot for FM Radio is 19kHz. For TV audio it is 15.7 kHZ. Also, can any TV station broadcast only an audio carrier with no video carrier.
I can pick up the audio of TV Ch. 6 in my car at 87.7 , south of Boston , station in Providence. The audio is lower in volume than FM stations and the audio is mono only.
 
mgpt6 said:
How can this station operate as a FM station? FM stations can modualate +/- 75 kHz . TV audio carrier only +/- 25 kHz. Also, stereo pilot for FM Radio is 19kHz. For TV audio it is 15.7 kHZ. Also, can any TV station broadcast only an audio carrier with no video carrier.
I can pick up the audio of TV Ch. 6 in my car at 87.7 , south of Boston , station in Providence. The audio is lower in volume than FM stations and the audio is mono only.
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I don't know about the other things you mentioned, but the station is broadcasting a video carrier (currently test bars). Apparently there is a station just like this in Anchorage, AK, also operating as a "radio" station, so perhaps some loophole is being exploited or special permission from the FCC was granted.
 
I hate to hijack the thread, but while we're on the subject of TV audio heard on the FM band, does this phenomenon only apply to the audio for Channel 6? Is there a list of corresponding frequencies for each channel?
 
Will:

Channel 6 audio is on a frequency just touching the FM band in the 87 range. Most FM radios can receive it. You could not pull this stunt (re-purposing a TV station's audio as an "FM" station receivable on an FM radio) with any other TV channel.

So what are they running on the video? They are obviously throwing this part away, so why don't they at least put up NWS radar or something that would not require its own audio. From what I understand, the video coverage is extremely weak, but the audio gets out much better.
 
HHH said:
So what are they running on the video? They are obviously throwing this part away, so why don't they at least put up NWS radar or something that would not require its own audio. From what I understand, the video coverage is extremely weak, but the audio gets out much better.
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The last time I tuned them in on a TV set was out in Long Island City. Channel 6 video was color bars with call sign. Sound came in properly though, this was earlier this past summer. I don't know if they're still broadcasting the test pattern, though.
 
Will said:
I hate to hijack the thread, but while we're on the subject of TV audio heard on the FM band, does this phenomenon only apply to the audio for Channel 6? Is there a list of corresponding frequencies for each channel?
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Channel 6 is the only TV channel whose sound can be heard on a standard FM radio. The channel lies between 82-88MHz, bordering the FM band.

http://www.w9wi.com/articles/system.htm#systema.htm is a list of the sound frequencies for the other TV channels. For example, channel 13 sound would come in at 215.75 on the FM dial in the very unlikely case you had an FM radio that would tune that high!

(actually, many police scanners will go that high, and higher)

Do remember that full-power analog TV is going away in 14 months. When that happens, you will no longer be able to get the sound of any TV channel on a radio. (except for some low-power TV stations)
 
The Pulse on 87.7! LOL!! WOW!! Good for them if they bring back The Star and Buc Wild show in the morning!! "Put the nail in the coffin" as Star would say, on Hot 97 and Power 105.1... Miss Jones on Hot 97 is SOOOOO Wack!!! Their Jokes make me want to vomit how corny they are! Ed Lover on Power 105.1, good dude but he don't stand a chance! LMAO! Smart man Star!.... Star's Morning show is going to make all those sponsors pull out on the big giants!! Good for those radio stations who's Program Directors are into politics and don't give the real talent the time of day! They are the reason why I put together a pirate radio station back in 1994 and 1995. At that time Hot 97 was the only Hip Hop station in NYC and they were the target because of their payola problems. Hot 97's Program Director and Music Director would only hook up those they know and those who would pay them off. Now we have both Hot 97 and Power 105.1 who are in CONTROL and they are both doing the same things. Good for them both!! I hope to see them both crash!! For those of you who don't know about DJ CINTRONICS, Look me up at www.myspace.com/cintronics or www.djcintronics.com There you can see the I Team UPN9 news report they did when I had my Pirate Radio Station.. ;D
 
mgpt6 said:
How can this station operate as a FM station? FM stations can modualate +/- 75 kHz . TV audio carrier only +/- 25 kHz. Also, stereo pilot for FM Radio is 19kHz. For TV audio it is 15.7 kHZ. Also, can any TV station broadcast only an audio carrier with no video carrier.
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I'm sure you mean Percent (%), right?

Technically, the pilot issue is no problem really.
 
raydofan said:
mgpt6 said:
How can this station operate as a FM station? FM stations can modualate +/- 75 kHz . TV audio carrier only +/- 25 kHz. Also, stereo pilot for FM Radio is 19kHz. For TV audio it is 15.7 kHZ. Also, can any TV station broadcast only an audio carrier with no video carrier.
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I'm sure you mean Percent (%), right?

Technically, the pilot issue is no problem really.
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I don't see anything technically wrong with the quoted statement. There is indeed an injection percentage for the stereo pilot (I don't remember what it is!) but the pilot frequencies he quoted are accurate. (OK, the TV frequency is actually 15.734234 but I think he makes his point)
 
w9wi said:
raydofan said:
mgpt6 said:
How can this station operate as a FM station? FM stations can modualate +/- 75 kHz . TV audio carrier only +/- 25 kHz. Also, stereo pilot for FM Radio is 19kHz. For TV audio it is 15.7 kHZ. Also, can any TV station broadcast only an audio carrier with no video carrier.
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I'm sure you mean Percent (%), right?

Technically, the pilot issue is no problem really.
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I don't see anything technically wrong with the quoted statement. There is indeed an injection percentage for the stereo pilot (I don't remember what it is!) but the pilot frequencies he quoted are accurate. (OK, the TV frequency is actually 15.734234 but I think he makes his point)
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I believe that pilot injection is 8% for FM.

mgpt6 said:
How can this station operate as a FM station? FM stations can modualate +/- 75 kHz . TV audio carrier only +/- 25 kHz.
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Are you talking about the bandwidth available if you place them side by side-you couldn't place the same stereo information on a TV aural (even with a 19kHz pilot)? Or are you describing carrier deviation under 'normal' modulation conditions?
 
raydofan said:
mgpt6 said:
How can this station operate as a FM station? FM stations can modualate +/- 75 kHz . TV audio carrier only +/- 25 kHz.
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Are you talking about the bandwidth available if you place them side by side-you couldn't place the same stereo information on a TV aural (even with a 19kHz pilot)? Or are you describing carrier deviation under 'normal' modulation conditions?
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He's referring to the carrier deviation. Setting aside subcarriers, 100% modulation is +/-75kHz for FM radio, +/-25kHz for TV sound.
 
Whats the latest new with the station? Any more progamming decisions made or people hired?
 
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