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Radio Disney good scores high with Moms and Kids, but WWJZ??

Radio Disney scored high with kids and moms in 2009.
That story can be found at:

http://www.rbr.com/radio/radio_ratings/18320.html

Aren't most of the Radio Disney affiliates on AM? Is it possible that Disney might be helping AM and giving AM
an actual young audience?

On the other hand, I noticed in the RI ratings for Philly and Wilmington. 640 WWJZ doesn't show, so I guess Radio Disney is doing well in other markets outside Philly and Wilmington.
 
MikefromDelaware said:
I noticed in the RI ratings for Philly and Wilmington. 640 WWJZ doesn't show, so I guess Radio Disney is doing well in other markets outside Philly and Wilmington.

Can you cite some markets where you know that RD scored well? The only large market outside of Philadelphia, where I know RD to be on a good AM signal is Los Angeles (the 1110 signal there is 50 kW-D/20 kW-N). Even your 640, licensed to Mt Holly NJ, though 50 kW-D, is only 1 kW (actually, I think 930W) at night. The combination of a format that appeals to a rather specialized niche (soccer moms ferrying small kids to school and extra-curricular activities who want something listenable that won't upset the kids too much) and generally lousy AM signals doesn't seem calculated to garner great numbers.
 
I don't know of any markets where Radio Disney is doing great which is why I said I guess radio disney is doing well in other markets. I was just as surprised as you when I saw that article. I'm just relating to the article I found. I did go to Radio Disney and from what I found, most of their stations are on AM with only a few on FM (probably because AM stations cost less and may be up for sale more often). So If Radio Disney is somehow making money being on AM then that is something. I also noticed that RD is also available online, for down loading on Ipods, and also on XM radio. So it may also be that the bulk of their listeners are online or via XM. But why keep underperforming AM's? So I'd assume, meaning that I'm taking a wild guess that they are getting enough action via AM to make it worth their while to have a network of almost all AM stations.

WWJZ 640 has a pretty solid signal into Wilmington during the day, so I guess kids could tune in, but there isn't any advertising locally to promote 640 (there was when WWJZ first became an RD station, but that's been a number of years ago). I was hoping someone here would know more about Radio Disney, because it seems strange to me also that a youth oriented radio network is primarily located on the AM dial.
 
That station and it's affiliates was always interesting to me. HOW DO THEY MAKE MONEY? The average age is 8-14 and especially in this economy? Who's listening at 10 PM -4 AM in the morning local time? Especially on AM.
The only ananlogy I can use is that most of these Disney stations are in a storage roof studio with a several same company owned AM/FM stations which covers it's rent and package sales deals that keep the local side of things operating. Otherwise , I don't know if Dave Eduardo has an answer for this.
 
I was told they were pulling a 3.2 when they were Standards way back, using only one tower...omni... which gave them a good signal day and night in Philly, with under 1kw at that low frequency....
 
Were they using one of the WIFI towers in Florence on Burlington Columbus Road for their 640 signal, or the Disney Site when Standards, dont remember..I thought Mr. Mike Venditti gave them permisson to use one of WIFI's towers..just not sure...
 
Starbucks said:
That station and it's affiliates was always interesting to me. HOW DO THEY MAKE MONEY? The average age is 8-14 and especially in this economy? Who's listening at 10 PM -4 AM in the morning local time? Especially on AM.
The only ananlogy I can use is that most of these Disney stations are in a storage roof studio with a several same company owned AM/FM stations which covers it's rent and package sales deals that keep the local side of things operating. Otherwise , I don't know if Dave Eduardo has an answer for this.
They might be a loss leader for the Disney brand. It's cheap to just syndicate programming. A kids format produced locally won't survive, but economies of scale and a name like Disney help it succeed.
 
How do they calculate ratings like that for a syndicated format? I never see "national" ratings for Rush Limbaugh or other syndicated personalities. Just local ratings and national cume estimates.

As for signals, WQEW New York is a pretty decent signal and it doesn't show in the 6+ ratings either.
 
MikefromDelaware said:
On the other hand, I noticed in the RI ratings for Philly and Wilmington. 640 WWJZ doesn't show, so I guess Radio Disney is doing well in other markets outside Philly and Wilmington.

If it's operating at a loss, Radio Disney (which barely shows up in Orlando, let alone in any other market) is a glorified tax write-off for Disney.

It's playing very well known CHR songs (made popular by the Disney juggernaut) on a monster AM signal in a market of 4M+ people and it's getting a big 0.0 6+ in the PPM world.
 
I think radio disney has popped into the ratings in a market or two before (Indy? Oklahoma City?) but it was minor (0.5 at best).

640's signal isn't amazing.. but also... does 640 do any promotions or marketing of themselves? I don't see billboards, TV ads, print ads, or anything else letting people know Radio Disney exists on 640. To Philadelphians... the AM dial consists of 610, 1060, and 1210... and not much else.
 
SilverTonicFree said:
I think radio disney has popped into the ratings in a market or two before (Indy? Oklahoma City?) but it was minor (0.5 at best).

640's signal isn't amazing.. but also... does 640 do any promotions or marketing of themselves? I don't see billboards, TV ads, print ads, or anything else letting people know Radio Disney exists on 640. To Philadelphians... the AM dial consists of 610, 1060, and 1210... and not much else.

There used to be 640 bus-backs and an occasional TV spot on channel 6 -- that was quite a while ago.
 
The RBR pieced linked in the opening post on this thread lists the platforms on which RD is available: RadioDisney.com, Sirius and XM satellite radio, I-Tunes Radio Tuner, XM/DIRECTV, mobile phones and on its all new Radio Disney I-Phone App – as well as on 49 terrestrial stations (down from 52 a few months ago), all but three of them AM’s.

It gives some daypart and demographic breakouts from Disney’s customized national Arbitron study, but it says nothing about the proportion of listening on line. And they wouldn’t dare, because the few agency-produced national and regional spots they’re able to sell either nationally or locally (I’ve heard a lot of WalMart and Home Depot, among others) don’t run on the web stream, thanks to AFTRA rules. RD scarcely shows up in the standard Arbitron books anywhere, and showing how much of their audience is listening online might make their inventory virtually unsellable.

Another thing you may have missed: RD’s Monday-Sunday 6am-12M ratings, which are given at the end of the piece for all the groups mentioned earlier, are roughly half the weekday morning and afternoon drive figures. This is a big difference, and that lends itself to an interesting interpretation.

First, most kids are in school during the day, so we know there isn’t much midday listening in the target 8-13 demo-, and the older ones usually have homework during evening hours, except in summer. So the daypart breakouts aren’t surprising. But considering that kids that age are most likely to use a computer for recreational purposes during afternoon drive (“after school time” to them), it seems likely that a very high proportion of listening in that peak period is online.

And second, forget about evening listening, when most RD AM’s operate with drastically reduced power (it’s a 17-dB reduction, from 50kw to 950 watts, for WWJZ). What about the effect of critical hours, which cover much of morning and afternoon drive in mid-winter?

Even the daytime coverage isn’t great. I can get it at home, but I can’t get usuable reception in my car except on limited-access highways and back country roads, where there are no utility poles, industrial buildings or LED traffic lights!

But fifth-rate (and worse) frequency assignments and power levels in most markets aren’t RD’s only problem. They’re making things much worse for themselves by further compromising their already inadequate signals with the Hiss-O-Matic system, better known as “HD” AM. And it’s not only their own “HD” that’s hurting them. Second-adjacent WFAN”s unmodulated 660-kHz carrier covers WWJZ’s transmitter site with a 60 dBu groundwave, so its lower “HD” is only 15 dB below that!

Of course, hiss isn’t the worst thing about the system. The dull, muffled analog audio is. It’s been described as sounding like a pair of tin cans connected by a string, but tin cans actually offer slightly better articulation. To me, it sounds more like what you’d hear if someone was talking through the empty cardboard tube from a roll of toilet paper, with a handkerchief over the end of the tube to further muffle whatever consonant sounds survived the journey! It’s no wonder that kind of sound is driving whatever audience RD has to other platforms, especially the internet.
 
DISNEY has lots of listeners.. My daughters would insist that we turn on the Disney stations whenever we were on the road and they would listen to it endlessly on the internet at home, when they werre younger and so would their friends.

Problem is, children don't fill out Arbitron diaries.
 
radioskeptic said:
They’re making things much worse for themselves by further compromising their already inadequate signals with the Hiss-O-Matic system, better known as “HD” AM. And it’s not only their own “HD” that’s hurting them. Second-adjacent WFAN”s unmodulated 660-kHz carrier covers WWJZ’s transmitter site with a 60 dBu groundwave, so its lower “HD” is only 15 dB below that!

Of course, hiss isn’t the worst thing about the system. The dull, muffled analog audio is. It’s been described as sounding like a pair of tin cans connected by a string, but tin cans actually offer slightly better articulation. To me, it sounds more like what you’d hear if someone was talking through the empty cardboard tube from a roll of toilet paper, with a handkerchief over the end of the tube to further muffle whatever consonant sounds survived the journey!

LMFAO!
 
radioskeptic said:
But fifth-rate (and worse) frequency assignments and power levels in most markets aren’t RD’s only problem. They’re making things much worse for themselves by further compromising their already inadequate signals with the Hiss-O-Matic system, better known as “HD” AM. And it’s not only their own “HD” that’s hurting them. Second-adjacent WFAN”s unmodulated 660-kHz carrier covers WWJZ’s transmitter site with a 60 dBu groundwave, so its lower “HD” is only 15 dB below that!

Of course, hiss isn’t the worst thing about the system. The dull, muffled analog audio is. It’s been described as sounding like a pair of tin cans connected by a string, but tin cans actually offer slightly better articulation. To me, it sounds more like what you’d hear if someone was talking through the empty cardboard tube from a roll of toilet paper, with a handkerchief over the end of the tube to further muffle whatever consonant sounds survived the journey! It’s no wonder that kind of sound is driving whatever audience RD has to other platforms, especially the internet.

I prefer Whoosh-O-Matic to describe HD's effect on the AM band.
 
josh said:
DISNEY has lots of listeners.. My daughters would insist that we turn on the Disney stations whenever we were on the road and they would listen to it endlessly on the internet at home, when they werre younger and so would their friends.

Problem is, children don't fill out Arbitron diaries.

There are no longer any Arbitron diaries in New York or Philadelphia. AND they changed the "beauty pagent" numbers from ages 12+ to ages 6+. Yet WWJZ and WQEW still don't show in the ratings.
 
Even so, how many 6-12 year olds get to carry around with them a PPM? So unless mom or dad is with them, in the car, when listening to Radio Disney, who'd know?
 
Radio Disney's Dallas affiliate KMKI 620 pops up around the bottom of the DFW ratings regularly. And the Disney Channel and Disney XD mentions Radio Disney when promoting their artists.

It's far from a perfect syndicated format and I'd wish they'd drop the IBOC crap too when most kids are listening on cheap radios. Still Radio Disney is one of the better nichecasters out there.
 
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