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Ratings are out, Ft Walton/Pensacola (Big surprise on #1) updated!

... so the moral of these posts is: you have to learn our ebb and flow or you won't have a clue what we are really saying. Learn to read between the BS to be educated and entertained at the same time. Be careful of all these cranky old men posting, type the wrong thing and we might bite. Figure us out and you might get invited to a Beer Summit at Capt. Anderson's one Sunday.

And never, absolutely never, question or post anything derogatory about WAAZ or The SeaBreeze. Those are the two sacred cows left in Central time zone Florida.
 
Slight correction Poledo....Capt Anderson's is not open on Sunday except certain Holiday weekends.....we drink Hendrick's Gin at those summits with a splash of tonic....not beer. Beer is consumed at other functions....not at the summits.
 
I say we opening up 57-85 MHz to a new class of stations .....Strobey FM. Note the formats and engineerin' can be approved by this board on a moments notice.

Note this allotment would only apply to stations in the FT Walton Panama City Pensacola DMA.
 
musiconradio.com said:
I say we opening up 57-85 MHz to a new class of stations .....Strobey FM. Note the formats and engineerin' can be approved by this board on a moments notice.

Note this allotment would only apply to stations in the FT Walton Panama City Pensacola DMA.

And all those stations will all broadcast from the new 5000 ft., self supporting, tower being built at the end of the long runway on Eglin AFB.
 
cceng said:
Slight correction Poledo....Capt Anderson's is not open on Sunday except certain Holiday weekends.....we drink Hendrick's Gin at those summits with a splash of tonic....not beer. Beer is consumed at other functions....not at the summits.

I'd love to visit that place!! Playing TropRock on the way.

Destin has been.. quiet here lately, (you can drive!) I don't know where all of the tourists are, but if it wasn't for the military, this place would be a ghost town.

Anyhow, there's the ratings, I should put Mobile, but that's a whooole other state. Take a wild guess who made #1 there, some BIG station between ZEW and Coast 93.3

-Rob
 
musiconradio.com said:
I say we opening up 57-85 MHz to a new class of stations .....Strobey FM. Note the formats and engineerin' can be approved by this board on a moments notice.

Note this allotment would only apply to stations in the FT Walton Panama City Pensacola DMA.

We could do that (for real) I don't think beyond 2014 there will be any more analog TV stations. We still have some LPTV/rural stations in analog, but it won't be there for long. Why not make use of the spectrum?

Coast 87.9 playing the best mix of the 80s, 90s and today (93.3 can go back to Enterprise, despite WPGG is assigned to another station)

-Rob
 
And all those stations will all broadcast from the new 5000 ft., self supporting, tower being built at the end of the long runway on Eglin AFB.

Good one. ;D
 
Poledo - you have to buy the Hendricks @ at the A, to make up for your damn beer comment... Sacrilege! ;D * And CCENG will verify a splash is 1 part tonic to a billion parts Hendricks.

Good posts lately! Sorry, I have nothing constructive to ADD. Haven't touched the sand in many, many months, so I can't lambast anyone or anything, except Crums for being Crums. Hey CCENG, are strobey's ever for sale? Ebay can't be the only source. I am shopping early For Christmas this year and needing a few red ones to complete my outdoor lights. I have my mule, map quest gift certificates, Obama chia pet and signed pic with Canadian William Shatner for ROB.

Didn't the PC numbers rolls out the last few days?? Any one got the scoop or am I too early?


* houses cost less than trips to Captain A's, but when your rollin with CCENG...money is no object.
 
Alright folks, we are getting wayyyyyy off topic, here. Sorry for not reading "between the lines." It's simply irrelevant. I'm going to conclude with this thread with:

107.3 HMN is kicking themselves in the foot and they are not doing anything about it which reflects their ratings. Pity? No, not so much. It's their wrong doing. Maybe they can't do anything about it? That's BS. Then if that's the reason, what a waste of money. If they actually wanted to do something about it and compete with WABD, then this would be doing something about it.
 
This is why I say radio is dull and boring here. Dull, dull, dull.

Coast 93.3 even gave up doing 80s weekends, it's not even midnight and hear more girlie crap!

-Rob
 
Okay, my gong therapy (seriously!) has worn off. I'm back and gonna try. Alex, first you have to understand what Clear Channel wants out of the market. Revenue and the ability to spend less than zero. Radio, while it looks pretty on the radio dial, is still about pleasing the advertiser. Now, the listeners have to want to "engage" the advertisers and pairing that up is like true love. Everyone says they have it, but few really have ever experienced it. That's why I married a bottle of Hendricks, which is calling my name now. The match has to be effective enough to make the relationship as painless as possible. Sometimes, you just don't need to spend a fortune competiting with a giant, when all you really want to do is shave a few points off the competitor to help your companies numbers look better. Sure, it would make sense to US to go out for the kill, but corporations of this era don't compete like many of us have over the years. Sometimes you compete better by just annoying the other guy and focusing on other battles you can or need to win. CHR and Urban are tough sells right now. The results are less predictable, so the revenues are sometimes smaller and the harder to renew. So you create a round house of formats like a chess game to pull the ratings down of the other guy. Mostly, though, CC doesn't see the profit of investing tons of fight dollars to gain only a share or two, if that. 107.3 has had a pretty long list of formats. A certain poster here, I think I am correct, was probably the last guy to be there while it was a mainstay in the market. (??? Right) So, you have to look at where CC has decided to put their focus and that is where they find their best returns. Like it was stated elsewhere, this station is a freebie probably. Makes no sense to us normal business folks. Why spend a fortune on a station only to have it be a dog. It's contrary to our logic here in America. Right or wrong, that's where it is. As for being a place holder for a Talk format, it is certainly possible. What CC will look at is the net gain or loss. If Talk doesn't have a chance to get a certain revenue stream, at a nominal cost, then CHR is better. If CHR goes away and gives WABD and their stations 20 percent more revenues, because of dominance, then Talk is a disaster. And, yes, a PD that would feel your pain, is probably trying to just be a considerate soul, because he or she has very little ability to affect the corporate music and mandates figured out in San Antonio or Atlanta. Its late and I may be missing some points. You have to never look at radio with logic. And remember who the demographics that matter are and who buys those products and what stations sell the most products. That demo probably isn't you. It's generally a female, 25-45 (skewing older, but no one admits that, right?). Oh, and on another post, you mentioned Bert Weiss. He appreciates beaches for the same reason most of us do...and he is a pretty decent guy. The smile is real. The teeth, not so sure. ;D
 
That demo probably isn't you. It's generally a female, 25-45 (skewing older, but no one admits that, right?).

Very true. Sorry guys, the ladies listen to more of the radio then we do. The rock stuff does well in this market because of the military.

Sports and talk are scraps for the guys. Sports stations do well revenue wise because the ad people can target the fellas. As far as numbers, in most markets sports station #'s (except in male demos, and they are not that great) are pretty bad. Am I repeating myself? Go figure.
 
Well, with football coming near, I would hope that something would happen, hell, even if WCOA-FM became all sports, it would be an improvement.

I miss the old days of 98.1 the ticket, they had a huge pensacola audience.

-Rob
 
Tibbs2 said:
Mostly, though, CC doesn't see the profit of investing tons of fight dollars to gain only a share or two, if that. 107.3 has had a pretty long list of formats. A certain poster here, I think I am correct, was probably the last guy to be there while it was a mainstay in the market.

I resemble that remark. Yeah, we did okay with 107.3 under SunGroup. I arrived in the wake of a whipping Country "WOWW 107" took at the hands of WXBM and we still rang up decent ratings as "the other country station"--and managed to eke out a profit. When we flipped it to alternative as New Rock One Zero Seven, sales shot through the roof. Upon sale of the station to Southern/Paxson/Clear Channel as half of a duopoly, the WOWW staff assumed management of both TK 101 & 107--electing to retain the entrenched rock perception of TK and shifting 107 to Oldies. The station did reasonably well in that position for the next several years, and seemed to do okay when CC morphed it into an updated Classic Hits approach. I think it might have gotten lost in CC's "My" thing somewhere during this past decade--one too many AC stations? Then Churban? Now CHR? Then again, my hunch is that the antenna move to Baldwin County and related downgrade likely has more to do with 107's current inability to gain traction than San Antonio would want to admit. They can't listen if they can't hear it, no matter what the format...
 
Yep - I always thought that signal was exceptional back in the 90s and somewhere along the line it was weakened down toward Destin/FWB and of course Navarre. What did they change/downgrade/gain elsewhere by this move? I remember it be a decent contender years ago and sounded pretty decent. Most of the time. ;D

Now, Rob...I won't rule out a sports flop, I mean flip, but seems like someone somewhere would have heard about this because ya gotta pre-sell the games starting in a few weeks. Miss football and you are sunk. Plus, what stellars teams are you gonna capture that will draw an audience? So, I wouldn't count on a sports station.
 
Best I can tell the only thing gained by moving 107.3 is that it is now co-located with other Clear Channel properties TK101 and 95 KSJ (?) So CC only has two transmitter sites in the Mobile-Pensacola market instead of the 3 or 4 sites from many years ago.

Theoretically moving up in height and closer to Mobile should have improved the signal in Mobile. I only spend a few hours a month in Mobile so I can't say for sure. I thought the old 107.3 signal from Cantonment was fine in Mobile.

I wonder if CC still has a 100kw backup site for 107.3 at the old tower? It would be very interesting to see what would happen if they flipped back to the old Cantonment site during Summer tropo when their signal is the worst. It would also be neat to see what the station sounded like as a C1 in Mono from the current Robertsdale/Wilcox Rd. transmitter site. I've always believed that Talk or Sports was on the table for 107.3 when they moved over to Alabama and became the weakest Mobile-Pensacola commercial radio station... just have to get those syndication rights away from Cumulus/WCOA-AM and maybe WFTW-AM too.
 
Tibbs, the Panama City books comes out tomorrow (8/7, Wed) at noon. No idea how it will come out but I would expect Sunny98's TSA numbers to be down....not necessarily the MSA because the station was on the backup site which only covered the Metro for almost all of the book. Other than that I won't try to guess.....Panama City is always a crapshoot when it comes to Arbitron due to the small sample size....one or two renegade diaries can make the difference between #1 and #5, or even worse.

cceng
 
Looking forward to more great numbers for you guys! Of course PAP will be record high with you on the AM show. Can I call it drive in PC? More success for all the hard work. Just wish we had all the numbers like the old days. Would be interesting to see how Powell is doing.
 
poledo said:
Best I can tell the only thing gained by moving 107.3 is that it is now co-located with other Clear Channel properties TK101 and 95 KSJ (?) So CC only has two transmitter sites in the Mobile-Pensacola market instead of the 3 or 4 sites from many years ago.

Theoretically moving up in height and closer to Mobile should have improved the signal in Mobile. I only spend a few hours a month in Mobile so I can't say for sure. I thought the old 107.3 signal from Cantonment was fine in Mobile.

Seems to me that 107.3 ran 100-kw @ around 1500 feet HAAT (maybe 1400?) at Cantonment, so they kicked it up the pole considerably--but dropped to 50-kw in doing so. Most likely to meet spacing requirements with Pascagoula or wherever.

The old signal hit downtown Mobile reasonably well, but might have been a little sketchy on the fashionable West Side. Remember, in-car reception ain't the issue--but rather, indoors... at-work. Where so much listening happens, regardless of format. I'm guessing that the new signal is about the same in Mobile. It just hurt them in Pensacola, the purported C-O-L. As it is now, it doesn't appear to be quite strong enough to be competitive in either market. At least in a music format. At least in a head-to-head format battle.

As for moving it back... I guess it might not be impossible. Is the stick still standing?
 
I hate to say it about XBM, it's a big snooze, "your country" sounds too bland. I'd rather listen to Highway 98 or KSJ,

XBM used to have a good solid local flavor, now, they sound like there from NYC. If *** decides to make a NASH FM flip, XBM would be a good target.

I don't even know if they have a local morning show anymore. KSJ does.

(Sorry, but I'm just a listener providing feedback.. I looked at some cars that get 35-40 MPG and some of them come with Sirius installed)

-Rob
 
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