Really Crummey Story in the New York Times ...

[j henry waugh]

3. But then considering that it's on a station that airs misanthropic racist hate mongers spouting eliminationist rhetoric and other vulgar rantings (stating that young girls helping the homeless deserve to be raped, or telling callers to take the bone out of their nose…), it's probably a NIT…


Rubbish, pure and simple.

FACT: Savage has on other occasions said that San Francisco Bay Area high school girls who were participating in a feed-the-homeless program wanted to get raped behind a trash dumpster; [4] that immigrants rampant procreation along with the gay agenda is a conspiracy against white heterosexuals; that Korean neighbors might be cooking your dog on a BBQ. sourcewatch.org

FACT: Rush Limbaugh's racism is well documented:

As a young broadcaster in the 1970s, Limbaugh once told a black caller: "Take that bone out of your nose and call me back." A decade ago, after becoming nationally syndicated, he mused on the air: "Have you ever noticed how all composite pictures of wanted criminals resemble Jesse Jackson?"

In 1992, on his now-defunct TV show, Limbaugh expressed his ire when Spike Lee urged that black schoolchildren get off from school to see his film Malcolm X: "Spike, if you're going to do that, let's complete the education experience. You should tell them that they should loot the theater, and then blow it up on their way out."

In a similar vein, here is Limbaugh's mocking take on the NAACP, a group with a ninety-year commitment to nonviolence: "The NAACP should have riot rehearsal. They should get a liquor store and practice robberies."

-fair.org
-counterpunch.org

Not rubbish, telling someone to take the bone out of their nose or other no so thinly veiled racist remarks… …walks like a duck, talks like a duck, etc.…

Face it, you just hate anyone that isn't as far to the left as you.

Wrong again. I am a registered independent and former card carrying Republican. I would eagerly vote for Ron Paul… …my favorite radio program airs on KPXQ 1360 AM hosted by a conservative evangelical Christian… …so please, back away from the charges of partisanship… …I do have a bias, and that bias is dead set against misanthropic racist hosts spewing eliminationist "blame the victim" rhetoric like Savage and Limbaugh have demonstrated with their words, such that entire books have been written chronicling full well their racism…

 

[Legend City]

Blather

Rush said something in the 70's and 1992? Wow, Fair.org and counterpunch really have to dig. Savage says stupid things? Amazing!


You are blaming KFYI for what Rush and Savage said?

Come on, that is like blaming whatever station had AAR for Randi Rhodes talk about killing the president.

 

[dgregg]

Will Russ explain how his numbers indicate a complete opposite of the fall book
12+ as published on radioandrecords.com? The R&R chart has 55/FYI topping
KT'R by almost...well, we can't go into actual number here but you can check
them on the R&R site.

I'd guess he's referring to cume numbers. As I understand it, KTAR consistently posts higher cume numbers than KFYI. Thus, KTAR "has more listeners" - more people tune in to KTAR in an average week - although for KFYI to score consistently higher ratings it means the average person listens to KFYI a lot longer, since the 12+ (and other numbers) are based on the number of quarter-hours each diary-keeper listens.

That also explains the KTAR promo line "with more listeners than any other Valley radio station" even though they're usually between 5th and 10th in the 12+ numbers, and even lower 25-54.

Just goes ta show you can twist the numbers any way you want to make a station look good...

Someone who heard the KTAR diatribe against Crummey's in absentia show said that Ankarlo and Hill solicited calls, and they got two - with the first one saying "I don't think it makes a difference where he is."

Then Crummey addressed the NYT article in a short monologue at the start of his Wednesday show, saying "most of the time we do originate the show from L.A." and said he'd talk about it with callers if they wanted to address it. No callers took the bait, so apparently they don't care as long as he keeps talking about the issues - Phoenix or otherwise - that interest them. I don't listen that often, but he seems to keep up with the issues, probably reading AZ central and getting coached by his producer before each day's show.

Point being - it's still a local show in that he's ONLY on KFYI, and gears the show to a Phoenix audience. How's that any different from jocks on music stations voice tracking from another market and making it sound like they're local by referring to upcoming station promotions, local events, local weather, etc? Yes it's somewhat deceptive, but it's generally accepted, and most of the audience probably doesn't care either way.

 

[j henry waugh]

Rush said something in the 70's and 1992? Wow, Fair.org and counterpunch really have to dig. Savage says stupid things? Amazing!

They're not just "stupid things", they are racist remarks, and for which Limbaugh has never apologized for. And there have been more recent occurrences in the 21st century, one with Obama and a few years back w/ Eagle QB McNab. You may think Rush or Savage are not racists, but an overwhelming majority of minority population (and all races and creeds) believe that he is.

You are blaming KFYI for what Rush and Savage said?

No, not "blaming" them for anything, just made a statement that KFYI features misanthropic racist hosts, which when you questioned the integrity of my assertions, I backed up with factual and historical information…

Come on, that is like blaming whatever station had AAR for Randi Rhodes talk about killing the president.

Don't like Rhodes and her hate spewing either, but truthfully, Rhodes didn't "talk about killing the president" — it was a variety comedy bit produced by someone else that ran on her show at the top of the hour (and didn't work and was in poor taste and judgment). But Rhodes isn't much different than Rush, Savage in that regard… …and unlike Rush (though Rush sort of issued an apology over the McNab gaffe, but never over any of the others AFAIK), Rhodes issued a public apology over the matter.

 

[porfavor]

dgregg, I think you're missing the point just a little bit. The cat's out of the bag now concerning where he broadcasts from. And you're right, where he's broadcasting from really doesn't matter that much & no one really cares.

The issue is the past; the initial phases of the show, laying the foundation...but, being dishonest...on purpose. And not just lying-by-omission...lying on purpose.
You can't compare a voice-tracked show where there's no interaction with the audience, to a live host, blatantly deceving his listeners, telling them fibs...live on the radio. It's apples to oranges.

Talking about the 101 and photoradar? Cmon, he doesn't EVER drive those roads. The 4 times a year he comes here for the Smackdown, he gets picked up from the airport & carted around...don't kid yourself.
The whole thing is so disingenuous. :-\

But now it's over. Nobody really cares.
But, you just gotta remember that deep down, it's easy for him to be duplicitous. And that goes to his character.

 

[KOHS]

True, but his cut-out mask has saved me from getting a photo radar ticket.

Talking about the 101 and photoradar? Cmon, he doesn't EVER drive those roads. The 4 times a year he comes here for the Smackdown, he gets picked up from the airport & carted around...don't kid yourself.
The whole thing is so disingenuous. :-\

 

[porfavor]

LOL!! True dat, yo!

 

[headphonejack]

Hill's blog says he's talked to three newspaper reporters about the Crummy story.

 

[Legend City]

So, to review, you have problems with Rush and Savage over what you construe is racism. Your opinion backed by FAIR and others.

But, you carry the actions of Rush and Savage (from many many years ago) over to the radio station? Sorry, that don't wash, the station airs a disclaimer that the views and opinions of the hosts don't reflect the views of the station, and if you want to get picky, what you said Savage and Rush said were before KFYI even had them on the air. And, I believe the McNabb thing was when KFYI wasn't even owned by CC.

In any case, you throw out the racism tag so often that its like the boy that cried wolf.

And if an overwhelming population of minorities think they are racist, then what are they doing about it? And, if we want to talk racism, ask Farrakhan about the "White Devil" and "Satan helper" comments he makes about whites, or Jesse talking about "hymietown".

Glass houses, stones, all that

 

[DrAkbar]

So which is the greater evil?

Joe Crummey from L.A. sounding like he's a Zonie?

- or -

TMISU lying to FM listeners that they'll never interrupt Captain Stupor with a sports broadcast?


That's right....EVIL Joe Crummey! ;D

Seems to the Nurse and me that TMISU have bigger things to bitch about than what's going on at 5~Fifty. If the Dudeboss hasn't already done it, he should show Hill's blog to the CCU suits and demand a raise. He's doing his job...TMISU aren't!

Is It Raining Where Joe Crummey Is? AM Radio Sucks & That's Why Sports Is On 6~Twenty. The Future of FM NewsTalk is Paul Harvey. Anyone else think we paid too much for 92~Three? 19 hours of local talk that sucks is better than 8 hours of Brillannce. The Future of FM NewsTalk is Pat McBland. Did we mention how much AM Radio Sucks? It really does and we have the memo to prove it! Honest, no sports on FM. We promise. Kind of. Hmmm...maybe not. Sports doesn't suck as much as AM Radio, though. It's all Joe Crummey's fault. He's E-V-I-L !

 

[KMGX]

So which is the greater evil?

Joe Crummey from L.A. sounding like he's a Zonie?

- or -

TMISU lying to FM listeners that they'll never interrupt Captain Stupor with a sports broadcast?


That's right....EVIL Joe Crummey! ;D

Seems to the Nurse and me that TMISU have bigger things to bitch about than what's going on at 5~Fifty. If the Dudeboss hasn't already done it, he should show Hill's blog to the CCU suits and demand a raise. He's doing his job...TMISU aren't!

Is It Raining Where Joe Crummey Is? AM Radio Sucks & That's Why Sports Is On 6~Twenty. The Future of FM NewsTalk is Paul Harvey. Anyone else think we paid too much for 92~Three? 19 hours of local talk that sucks is better than 8 hours of Brillannce. The Future of FM NewsTalk is Pat McBland. Did we mention how much AM Radio Sucks? It really does and we have the memo to prove it! Honest, no sports on FM. We promise. Kind of. Hmmm...maybe not. Sports doesn't suck as much as AM Radio, though. It's all Joe Crummey's fault. He's E-V-I-L !

What about the bigger evil which is combining listener numbers for a couple of ratings books, in a way cheating the system. Perhaps THAT is the bigger evil. Yes, yes, it's all legal and such, but questionable ethics for sure.

Again, Russ Hill should really feel ashamed that an out of town host is walloping his afternoon snooze with Dead and Heidi. Sour grapes.

 

[oncentral]

It's vivid that no one around here has the keys to the Arbitron numeros. KT'R is not losing to Crumster. KFYI kicks a** with RushSean so much that it makes them number 1 in the main numbers. KT'R is winning everywhere but at work hours and the numbers Hill posted (illegally by the way) are real. KT'R has gained about 180thou listeners in the last two books. How they're going it with McBland I don't know. But KT'R has beaten bc by and jc in the last two arbitron sweeps. Just keeping it real around here.

 

[rockjock420]

It's vivid that no one around here has the keys to the Arbitron numeros. KT'R is not losing to Crumster. KFYI kicks a** with RushSean so much that it makes them number 1 in the main numbers. KT'R is winning everywhere but at work hours and the numbers Hill posted (illegally by the way) are real. KT'R has gained about 180thou listeners in the last two books. How they're going it with McBland I don't know. But KT'R has beaten bc by and jc in the last two arbitron sweeps. Just keeping it real around here.

An Arbitron subscriber isn't allowed to publish Arbitron numbers?

 

[pberger]

If it's not important where the show originates, why did the New York Times consider it newsworthy?

Anybody want to speculate how they got wind of it? I would never expect to pick up an LA Times and read an article about a Philadelphia station has a show that originates in Boston or someplace.

By the way, sometime ago I was listening to Crummy, and he really stumbled over the day laborers out in front of Home Depot. He said something like "........where is it? on Thomas?..... " I think almost anybody working in Central Phoenix would know where the Home Depot is on Thomas Rd.

 

[KMGX]

It's vivid that no one around here has the keys to the Arbitron numeros. KT'R is not losing to Crumster. KFYI kicks a** with RushSean so much that it makes them number 1 in the main numbers. KT'R is winning everywhere but at work hours and the numbers Hill posted (illegally by the way) are real. KT'R has gained about 180thou listeners in the last two books. How they're going it with McBland I don't know. But KT'R has beaten bc by and jc in the last two arbitron sweeps. Just keeping it real around here.

If you give me your email address I would be happy to give the numbers that you say I don't have. Bruce Jacobs beats KFYI by almost 2-1, The Barely Famous Nearly Young show beats KTAR by MORE than 2-1, Rush and Sean... well it's about 3-1, Crummey beats KTAR by a decent amount in the 25-54m demo. Believe me, I know how to read arbitrons, the bigger number means more people are listening... pretty simple.

 

[sledge350]

KMGX is right..and also lets not forget that the am and fm signals are being read as a single line for now....so when they do finally get separated its going to be an even bigger gap.

 

[Legend City]

Hey, how long till Russ Hill finds out about ******* ****'s show which originates in ******?


(Sorry Russ, you gotta figure that one out yourself. ;D

 

[sledge350]

Now That is EEEEEEEEEEEEVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIlLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL! ;D

 

[oldiesfan6479]

I'd guess he's referring to cume numbers. As I understand it, KTAR consistently posts higher cume numbers than KFYI.

Ah yes, cume vs. AQH. A vague recollection from the '60s and '70s is that Top 40
stations would tout their cume as it often beat the more "adult" stations including
any news/talkers that happened to be around then, whereas the "full service"
outlets would generally outperform the rockers in the quarter hour numbers.

Maybe Russ will own up to this on his blog.

So how do we analyze this scenario? I was thinking about it only yesterday...
(scratches chin as camera defocuses, a la Dave)...

55/FYI has a better AQH since listeners dial in and stay for long periods for their
talkmeisters. Nearly Bald One, El Rushbo, oh and we can't forget El Lay's Crummey!
(But why they do this for Jacobs is a mystery since to me he comes across as a
raving lunatic on the air.)

Meanwhile, Snooze 92/3 KT'R-FM likely gets repeated shorter bursts of listening
as one dials in and out during their AMD/noon/PMD news blocks. Additional
shorter dial-ins may also be triggered by Aunt Carlos and Aunt Maude, as their
presence (plus topics and guests) may cause almost immediate dial out! ;D

And what's that annoying fluff piece KT'R sticks in about 6:40 each morning?
It starts out with what sounds like someone belching. Immediate tuneout!
Back to 94.5 oldies (give or take seven or eight) or to the lumberyard to see
how early their power-up has crept.

 

[advertisingguy]

I work in sales at a radio station other than the two you guys are all arguing about. I just looked up the numbers. You're all wrong. Here's the truth. KFYI beats KTAR in 12+ and 25-54 M-Su 6a-midnight. KTAR beats KFYI in 12+ and 25-54 in AMD, PMD, Eve, and SaSu. KFYI kills KTAR in 10a-3p in all demos. KTAR has a much higher 12+ and 25-54 total persons listening than KFYI in all dayparts. KFYI has a much higher time spent listening 12+ and 25-54 than KTAR.

Bottom line, KFYI is winning in AQH overall and the lead is all coming from 10a-3p. It is true they are trailing KTAR in every other daypart in AQH. I've never really looked at all these numbers this closely. This does look like a dogfight like KNIX and KMLE.