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Religious Radio Organization Cheers Upcoming Opportunities to Acquire More Signals

When I see those ads on public television showing the European river cruises, I can't think how such spots might be done to make them "more commercial". They are advertisements, not credits.

Keep in mind that the NCE rule mainly applies to FM radio, not TV. TV stations can be classified as non-commercial, but there was no reserved part of the spectrum as there was with FM. So perhaps the FCC might impose a fine on TV stations. But they can't be excluded from their channel.

My question about what you saw: Were they from PBS or the local station? PBS doesn't produce any programs. PBS is a distribution system.

Last year, the FCC imposed a fine on WBAI for airing commercials. However WBAI has no association with either NPR or CPB. They are Pacifica. Also, they are non-commercial operating in the commercial band. Not NCE.
 
It depends. Generosity isn't involved in something known as "tithing." That's where people give a percentage of their income to their church.

There is no equivalent in the secular world.
How about what the coal companies used to have their workers do? You know, "St. Peter, don't you call me 'cause I can't go / I owe my soul to the company sto' (store)."
 
The thing I'm objecting to the most is the glee with which the association of religious broadcasters is greeting the distress that public radio stations are facing, rather than expressing solidarity of any kind. "Tough s**t," Jesus never said...but these guys did. They've lost the plot and are worshiping growth for growth's sake.

The problem is that many of these religious outlets were attacking NPR all along. Why? Because many of the experts that NPR reporters interviewed for their stories often stated facts or expressed opinions that were contrary to what the religious broadcasters were telling their listeners. I specifically remember when I was working at ASU as a braille proofreader riding on Dial-a-ride (the transportation service Phoenix and surrounding communities uses for transporting the disabled) witha driver who was in a far-right Christian marriage. I noticed one day that she had KJZZ (the local NPR affiliate) on her bus radio and it turned out that she was trying to get some viewpoints different from what the right-wing ministers she normally listened to were feeding her.

Many religious outlets, and more importantly their supporters, really don't want their listeners to have information contrary to what they are saying. This, I think, is also partly what doomed Air America in the early 2000s and what makes it hard for any left-wing talk show host to get traction today in the U.S.

I will make one more comment on this issue. I remember reading online sometime back that when Donald Wildmon was starting up the American Family Radio (AFR) network in Tupelo, Mississippi, that Mississippi Public Radio vehemently objected--they were hoping to use some of the frequencies that Wildmon was seeking for their own expansion. From what I understand, while Wildmon won, it has left a bitter taste in his mouth when it comes to public radio, a bitterness that has been passed down to his son Tim who now oversees the network.
 
Another thing to keep in mind when discussing if religious talk stations already dominate the non-commercial sector is the differences in beliefs between various groups. This is especially true among evangelical Protestant groups but has been noticed among mainline Protestant groups and within Roman Catholicism, the religion in which I was raised. You could have a domination of any market by religious outlets and yet still hear that there is not enough religious content available. That is because the religious stations in any given market favor one religious group over others (conservative Roman Catholicism (Relevant), Calvary (CSN), Moody, and others). The point is that the ministers whose shows are not carried by the local religious outlets are crying foul because their religious dogma is not being heard on the local airwaves.

One thing that might help to explain all of this is that religion, no matter which sect you may belong to, is *not* based primarily on factual information; rather it is based on beliefs and commandments given by (mostly) a single male leader that others must follow if they wish to stay in that religion. The thing is, different religious leaders have differing views on the universe and how things should operate to each other; sometimes the differences are minute; sometimes they are big. But the religious leaders involved usually view all of these differences as being big and will argue against the beliefs of other religious leaders, all without mentioning the names of the religious leaders with whom they disagree.

Let's contrast that with public radio. The primary purpose of public radio is to educate people about the world in which they live based on factual information ascertained by researching information, and interviewing members of the scientific community, public officials, and normal citizens affected by decisions that are made. Unlike religious talk radio, which is primarily based on the beliefs of whoever owns the station or the network the station is affiliated with, public radio is primarily involved with getting the facts and getting the facts correctly.

That thing about "getting the facts and getting the facts correctly" is what has really drawn ire from the current Federal administration. The leader of the current administration views those who challenges what he says as being personally against him; in addition, he has been known to lie about certain things to the public in order to get his way. I think that it was therefore inevitable that the current Federal leader would wish to end public radio altogether; it conflicts with his own propaganda goals. He also would like to see religious stations take over public radio frequencies because many of those outlets are very squarely in support of him. And Brendan Carr, who very much knows better, has chosen to support the current Federal leader in these matters.
 
How intrusive is it? I know I keep coming across public TV fundraisers that all seem to be based on getting a CD collection of 50's music for a particular donation, almost like those Time Life informercials selling oldies collections I used to see regularly.
Very intrusive. Hard to describe and I guess you'd have to actually hear it. Much less music than normal and it comes off as very arm twisting and circus like. It's always "YOUR Air1 is not funded yet" suggesting to the listeners that their local station not funded when in reality it's the goal for the organization. But the goal amount is never mentioned. Which I guess is because K-Love inc. apparently takes in over $200 million dollars a year, and if they said they were looking for that amount people may be less inclined to pledge $10-$40 a month since they figure the need is not as dire as presented. Now all that said, I'm not at all against Christian radio like many on this board, and K-Love/Air 1 absolutely provide counseling, ministry, and an addition to people's faith. Even some Non-Christians listen because they don't want their kids to hear the offensive lyrics in today's pop and country music. The two formats they offer are mainly female centered and not my style so I rarely listen, but you can't argue with their success. And I think with the way they raise money on air, at some point some supporters may get turned off by how they currently do it. Merely my humble thoughts and opinions.
 
I read the article on page one and nowhere did I see that the NRB members were excited about various non-comms going under and that they were ready to acquire them. The threads's subject line is not in line with the article. Unless I'm missing something, we've been duped by a couple of facts and lies.
 
I read the article on page one and nowhere did I see that the NRB members were excited about various non-comms going under and that they were ready to acquire them. The threads's subject line is not in line with the article. Unless I'm missing something, we've been duped by a couple of facts and lies.

I suspect that many of us on this thread, including yours truly, are pretty much convinced from behaviors outside of Mr. Miller's statements that religious broadcasters are very much interested in picking up (former) public broadcasters.
 
Why would there be anything wrong with being interested in acquiring stations? Many posters act like only Christian Ministries can acquire stations. Anybody with the financial backing and/or cash can purchase stations that go up for sale. It just so happens many of the Christian ministries have saved thir money for the opportunity to expand their reach. Those that complain, well, they tend not to be organized nor funded although I would hope to see some will come out of the woodwork if and that's a big IF a loss, on average of 7-8% of total revenue puts a station in a death spiral. Where are the KEXPs that acquired the FM in San Francisco?

As for funding, radio is far different from the days of Reagan. Many NPR affiliates have dropped many aspects of programming to go 'News/Talk' because it does so well. In that respect, it is no different than the commercial broadcaster choosing a more mass appeal format. How many NPR affiliates have dropped classical and/or jazz and other programming that was purely educaional in content for a consistent format designed to maximize income. Some posts are acting like the most popular and best funded format will go away as will educational programming not found anymore on virually all non-comms as they see music formats or the ever popular News/Talk predominate. The non-comm is no longer the black sheep of the radio family but typically a player in most markets.

Maybe EMF will submit a cash deal for all 45 MPR stations since there is no way they can make it now and do it without a broker involved, wink-wink, nod-nod.
 
How many NPR affiliates have dropped classical and/or jazz and other programming that was purely educaional in content for a consistent format designed to maximize income.

In many of the markets where that happened, such as NY, Boston, and Dallas, the public radio group bought the commercial classical station, and operated them together. As you know, they tried doing that in Houston, and unfortunately couldn't raise enough money to make it work. But the intent was there.

Regarding the news coverage, the presentation of the news is more educational in nature than the commercial approach. The stories are longer and with more detail. Rather than being mostly domestic, there are a lot of international stories. Amazingly it's why a lot of people listen: Because they hear a lot of news about places they don't hear anywhere else. That's in keeping with the educational heritage behind these stations.
 
I contend KUHF began the classical station to fail. Their first fundraiser was just a few months in and when it failed to produce, it was met with firing the staff and going to Classical24. My boss at the time, whose name appears on a pavillion at University of Houston, told me it was a plan to set up a local and manned classical station to fail. He was very well connected. Public radio people I've spoken with say an upstart usually takes about 2 years before reaching their financial goals of paying their bills.
 
Seems to me people are just throwing out words from their mouth with a woe is us attitude. Put your money where your mouth is. Increase your support substantially. The negativity does nothing but create more. Do something that makes a difference.
 
Seems to me people are just throwing out words from their mouth with a woe is us attitude. Put your money where your mouth is. Increase your support substantially. The negativity does nothing but create more. Do something that makes a difference.

Here's what NPR is doing:


Of course NPR's board of directors consists mainly of local affiliate GMs, so this is no surprise.

I expect they will hold a national fundraiser at some point to create a fund to replace CPB.
 
I contend KUHF began the classical station to fail. Their first fundraiser was just a few months in and when it failed to produce, it was met with firing the staff and going to Classical24. My boss at the time, whose name appears on a pavillion at University of Houston, told me it was a plan to set up a local and manned classical station to fail. He was very well connected. Public radio people I've spoken with say an upstart usually takes about 2 years before reaching their financial goals of paying their bills.
Classical KUHA hit the air in May 2011 but the air staff wasn’t fired until November 2013, so there were two and a half years of trying to make things work, not just a few months.
Seems to me people are just throwing out words from their mouth with a woe is us attitude. Put your money where your mouth is. Increase your support substantially. The negativity does nothing but create more. Do something that makes a difference.
Religious stations have the ability to take advantage of the longstanding “pass the collection plate” acculturation that has been the financial backbone of churches in this country. That goes hand in hand with tremendous social peer pressure to donate. That environment doesn’t exist with public radio..
 
Religious stations have the ability to take advantage of the longstanding “pass the collection plate” acculturation that has been the financial backbone of churches in this country. That goes hand in hand with tremendous social peer pressure to donate. That environment doesn’t exist with public radio..
It turns out promising you heavenly salvation is a little more effective than promising to keep reruns of "Car Talk" on the air.
 
If Christian radio will continue to expand and Public radio truly does shrink, what does that say about the generosity of the respective listeners?
It will say people can only be nickel and dimed so much while the cost of mere survival is getting crazy expensive. Or lose their jobs.

It's not public broadcasting's fault. But it's not the middle/lower class listeners fault either (and WHAT middle class do I even speak of these days?) They can only do so much.

But Christian broadcasters are being handed everything they've ever wanted on a silver platter. Their listeners don't have to pay for anything. The regime is literally throwing taxpayer money at Christian broadcasters at the expense of CPB/NPR and public media.

That, is the difference.
 
But it's not the middle/lower class listeners fault either (and WHAT middle class do I even speak of these days?) They can only do so much.

You're right, and that's why there was federal funding: So poor people could access children's programming without paying a subscription fee. The federal funding mandated that it be free and accessible to everyone. Now with the funding gone, so is that rule.
 
It's always "YOUR Air1 is not funded yet" suggesting to the listeners that their local station not funded when in reality it's the goal for the organization. But the goal amount is never mentioned. Which I guess is because K-Love inc. apparently takes in over $200 million dollars a year, and if they said they were looking for that amount people may be less inclined to pledge $10-$40 a month since they figure the need is not as dire as presented.

As I said, "bearing false witness" by virtue (?) of non-transparency.
 
It turns out promising you heavenly salvation is a little more effective than promising to keep reruns of "Car Talk" on the air.
Alas, no recipient of the former has ever come back to tell other potential customers about the experience. For all anyone knows, the Christian deceased may knock-knock-knock on heaven's door and find Ganesh or Zeus or the Great Spirit greeting them with a sad "Sorry, you picked the wrong faith, wrong deity. Better luck next life."
Those who donate to keep the latter on the air have no such difficulty in determining their satisfaction.
 


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