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Report that CBS tentatively gets WKDN in Camden and WFSI in Annapolis, MD

FightingIrish said:
As for smaller stations in return (like the San Francisco situation), I haven't seen anything about it. It may not even be a Philly, Baltimore or D.C. station. Perhaps, if FR wants a trade, could be a different market. But I'm guessing it's all just a straight-up sale, and one that will bring in some big money.
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Remember, the San Francisco trade was born out of pure necessity on CBS' part. They HAD to get rid of the massive 610 signal so as to acquire KOVR-TV in Sacremento, creating a CBS/CW O&O duopoly over there (CBS has another CBS/CW O&O duopoly in SF, and a CBS/Indie O&O duopoly in Los Angeles).

Family Radio is solely selling off the Camden and Annapolis stations because they are on the commercial FM band, and even by 2011 standards, represent a serious infusion of cash. They need that right now.
 
Somebody was talking about all the different media voices in the markit.
Would Educational Media Foundation (WKVP) count?
How about The Reach-FM radio network, with a translator at 97.1 in Colingswood NJ which reaches Philly?
Other examples of possible maybes include
Prinston (WPRB)
Marel Reath WBCB
There are others I think, but I think its as Scott said, there are a lot more other then the big guys.
Isn't WBEB really called WEAZ Radio, Inc?
 
Bill_W said:
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http://blogs.rnw.nl/medianetwork/harold-camping-retires-as-head-of-family-radio
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You think CBS radio will broadcast KYW on 106.9? This is the same group who still say they are broadcasting from Independence Mall and still have an AP newswire teletype machine in the background? There is no "all news" on FM now,so why move your audience to the end of the FM dial? Remember WRNB moved down the dial to get away from end of the FM dial.
 
I don't think KYW will or should go to 106.9. It does great at 1060 AM. Why ruin the symbolic "All News All the Time, KYW Newsradio Ten-Sixty"? If I were CBS, I'd make 106.9 Active Rock (play everything from The Beatles and Billy Joel to Seether and Evanescence), increase advertising rapidly. The reason why WYSP failed was they couldn't beat WMMR because their playlist was too narrow. On the billboards, it could say "106.9 WYSP is the rock lovers dream station".
 
I still think KYW will go to FM.Makes sense to put the biggest biller on a good FM signal that gets rid of the noise from traffic lights, street lights, trolley wires, TV's, computers, and the like. Just shaking my head at all the yowling since WYSP went away. 94.1 seems to have gotten a decent bump in audience since switching to sports talk. When CBS put sports on 98.5 in Boston, it blew WEEI 850 out of the water, forcing Entercom, WEEI's owner, to put a simulcast on 93.7, which was a Jack-type format.Thus I see KYW on 106.9. And don't forget, Radio One moved WRNB to 100.3 for a better signal to go against WDAS.
107.9 isn't that powerful, only running 780 watts at 944 feet. 106.9, running 38 kW, will give KYW a very respectable FM signal in the market.
 
DG02816 said:
I still think KYW will go to FM.Makes sense to put the biggest biller on a good FM signal that gets rid of the noise from traffic lights, street lights, trolley wires, TV's, computers, and the like. Just shaking my head at all the yowling since WYSP went away. 94.1 seems to have gotten a decent bump in audience since switching to sports talk. When CBS put sports on 98.5 in Boston, it blew WEEI 850 out of the water, forcing Entercom, WEEI's owner, to put a simulcast on 93.7, which was a Jack-type format.Thus I see KYW on 106.9. And don't forget, Radio One moved WRNB to 100.3 for a better signal to go against WDAS.
107.9 isn't that powerful, only running 780 watts at 944 feet. 106.9, running 38 kW, will give KYW a very respectable FM signal in the market.
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and in addition, if CBS adds KYW to 106.9, I don't see KYW going away on 1060. I would see WIP-AM going away before KYW-AM would, if both have FM simulcasts.
 
First, no one is going to put another Rock station on in Philly. It already has three Rock stations. WYSP at the end tried three different variations on Rock after the Free-FM debacle. Nothing worked. If you want older Rock, you listen to WMGK. If you want newer Rock, you listen to WRFF. If you want a station that plays both new and old Rock, you listen to WMMR. It's about demographics, not the actual music.

Why put KYW on 106.9? Even though 1060 is a 50,000 watt signal, KYW has to null to the southwest to avoid interfering with 1060 XEEP Mexico City. It has to null to the northeast to avoid interfering with 1050 WEPN New York, also a 50,000 watt station. It's hard to hear KYW in Wilmington or Trenton. 1210 has a much clearer signal as you move north or south on I-95.

Yes, KYW is #1 today. But over time, it's probably going to lose some listeners it would have if it were on FM, especially younger listeners. It's sad that two FM signals in Philadelphia have been handed over to Sports, well-suited to AM. And that number might increase to 3 if CBS buys 106.9. That's three stations that in another era would be doing additional music formats. Blame your friends who are under 45 and won't flip the AM-FM switch on their radios. If they can't hear Sports, Talk or News on the FM dial, they won't listen.


Gregg
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phils07 said:
I don't think KYW will or should go to 106.9. It does great at 1060 AM. Why ruin the symbolic "All News All the Time, KYW Newsradio Ten-Sixty"?
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As has been pointed out elsewhere, you can easily have the jingle singers do a fresh package replacing "[beat] ten sixty" with "one oh six nine" or "Phil-a-del-phia" and keep the iconic jingle.

And imagine the TV commercials where they roll the "0" off the end of the logo and roll in a ".9" in its place. That would be a memorable way to advertise the change.
 
Gregg said:
First, no one is going to put another Rock station on in Philly. It already has three Rock stations. WYSP at the end tried three different variations on Rock after the Free-FM debacle. Nothing worked. If you want older Rock, you listen to WMGK. If you want newer Rock, you listen to WRFF. If you want a station that plays both new and old Rock, you listen to WMMR. It's about demographics, not the actual music.

Why put KYW on 106.9? Even though 1060 is a 50,000 watt signal, KYW has to null to the southwest to avoid interfering with 1060 XEEP Mexico City. It has to null to the northeast to avoid interfering with 1050 WEPN New York, also a 50,000 watt station. It's hard to hear KYW in Wilmington or Trenton. 1210 has a much clearer signal as you move north or south on I-95.

Yes, KYW is #1 today. But over time, it's probably going to lose some listeners it would have if it were on FM, especially younger listeners. It's sad that two FM signals in Philadelphia have been handed over to Sports, well-suited to AM. And that number might increase to 3 if CBS buys 106.9. That's three stations that in another era would be doing additional music formats. Blame your friends who are under 45 and won't flip the AM-FM switch on their radios. If they can't hear Sports, Talk or News on the FM dial, they won't listen.


Gregg
[email protected]
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I think the inability (and predicted future inability) of music radio to compete against alternative sources of music is as much a factor in talk formats moving to FM as is the inability of AM to maintain younger audiences. Maybe more so.

If FM owners thought they could maintain younger audiences with music formats, they would. You don't put sports on FM unless you think it'll be more profitable than music.
 
DG02816 said:
94.1 seems to have gotten a decent bump in audience since switching to sports talk.
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Sure. But 610's audience has fallen further than 94.1's has risen.

IOW, [AQH share of 610] + [AQH share of 94.1] is a smaller number in October than it was in August.

Of course, those are 6+ numbers and it's demo numbers that matter, and of course it's too early to evaluate. But, right now, the two stations have a combined audience that is smaller (in an average quarter hour) than it was in August.
 
What numbers are you looking at? WIP-AM alone got a 2.1 AQH in August. WIP-FM got a 3.0 AQH in October, and WIP-AM got a 0.9 for a AQH total of 3.9. YSP got a 2.2 in August, which combined with WIP's August is a 4.3....is that what your referring to?

Andy Bloom has another promo airing on WIP saying their audience has doubled since moving to FM, and that makes them the fastest growing Philly radio station. Obviously the overall 6+ shows it just short of doubling, but its possible in one of their key demos they have doubled.

Of course YSP always had a bump around the same time WIP made the switch, because of the eagles. So we might have to wait until January to have valid number to compare to the previous year (January 2011).
 
And XEEP Mexico City is non-directional, with 100 kW days and 50 kW nights; hence KYW's null to the SW. This is also why the 1060 in New Orleans cuts to 5 kW at night form 50 kW days.
 
For those unaware (I discovered it on my homeward commute yesterday), WBBM has beaten KYW to the simulcasting punch (assuming Kay-Wye ever takes the plunge). I work Dolly Parton hours and during (most of) the standard time period I can get Chitown's 780 *and* WBZ *and* WJR during the drive home.

Here's a thread on 'BBM's new simulcasting. http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/index.php?topic=198092.0 As for jingles, I got home before the TOH so I don't know what their "legal" jingle sounds like, but mid-wheel, their jingle eliminates "Newsradio Seven Eighty" apparently, with no musical reference to any frequency on either band.

ixnay
 
Irishfl said:
What numbers are you looking at? WIP-AM alone got a 2.1 AQH in August. WIP-FM got a 3.0 AQH in October, and WIP-AM got a 0.9 for a AQH total of 3.9. YSP got a 2.2 in August, which combined with WIP's August is a 4.3....is that what your referring to?
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Even if the total numbers took a hit (from 4.3 to 3.9) remember that CBS is now paying the same amount to operate that 3.9 that it used to pay just for the 2.1. So money-wise it's a winner for them.
 
ixnay said:
Here's a thread on 'BBM's new simulcasting. http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/index.php?topic=198092.0 As for jingles, I got home before the TOH so I don't know what their "legal" jingle sounds like, but mid-wheel, their jingle eliminates "Newsradio Seven Eighty" apparently, with no musical reference to any frequency on either band.
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The only other time the jingle plays is coming out of CBS News on the hour, so it's rouglhly the same as at the bottom of the hour.

WBBM's burying the legal ("WBBM-AM and HD Chicago, WCFS-FM and HD-1 Elmwood Park/Chicago") in the stop set before the :58 traffic/weather. Their TOH is pretty much the same as before, starting with the image voice talking over the stager (and saying "780 AM and now on 105.9 FM"), the anchor(s) doing the headlines and then "CBS covers the world at [time]," the CBS time tone and news sounder.
 
Likewise, New York's WINS - whose signal is simulcast on "WWFS-HD2" - also buries its legal at around :59 or so.
 
DToTheJ said:
Likewise, New York's WINS - whose signal is simulcast on "WWFS-HD2" - also buries its legal at around :59 or so.
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A change from the days when the legal run up to the hour--and you felt that the copy was there with "Group W Westinghouse Broadcasting" crossed out and either "Infinity Broadcasting" or "a CBS Radio station" written in.
 
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