Retro: Indianapolis/Lafayette/Terre Haute Tues, Nov 12, 1974

[Bluenoser]

from TV Guide-Central Indiana edition

2 WTWO-NBC Terre Haute
4 WTTV-Ind Indianapolis
6 WRTV-NBC Indianapolis
8 WISH-CBS Indianapolis
10 WTHI-CBS Terre Haute
13 WLWI-ABC Indianapolis
18 WLFI-CBS Lafayette
20 WFYI-PBS Indianapolis
22 WVUT-PBS Vincennes
30 WTIU-PBS Bloomington
38 WIIL-ABC Terre Haute
40 WHMB-Ind/Rel Indianapolis
49 WIPB-PBS Muncie

Likely instructional programming on 49 as well, but no clue in listings as to where it aired... ???

Morning
6:30
4 RFD 4
8 Sunrise Semester "History of African Civilization"

6:40
6 Today in Indiana

7:00
2-6 Today (guests George C. Scott and Trish Van Devere)
4 Reed Farrell
8-10 CBS Morning News
13 Story

7:30
4 Janie
13 Agriscope

8:00
8-10-18 Captain Kangaroo
13 Your World

8:30
38 New Zoo Revue

8:55
13 Weather

9:00
2 Not for Women Only
4 Movie "Boy on a Dolphin"
6 I Dream of Jeannie
8 Indy Today
10 Mike Douglas (guests the Hudson Brothers, Sen. Charles Percy (R-IL), Danny Thomas, and Susannah York)
13 Paul Dixon
18 Sesame Street
20-22-30 Mister Rogers' Neighborhood
38 Jack LaLanne

9:30
2 Galloping Gourmet
6 Celebrity Sweepstakes
20-22-30 America
38 Reed Farrell

10:00
2-6 Name That Tune
8-10-18 Joker's Wild
20-22-30 Sesame Street
38 Movie "The Sheriff"

10:30
2-6 Winning Streak
8-10-18 Gambit
13 Phil Donahue (Phil's in Miami Beach with Gore Vidal)

11:00
2-6 High Rollers
4 Studio Four
8-10-18 Gambit
20-22-30 Electric Company

11:30
2-6 Hollywood Squares
4 News
8-10-18 Love of Life
13 Password
20-30 Villa Alegre
22 Instructional Programs
38 Brady Bunch

11:55
8-10-18 CBS News

Afternoon
noon
2-8 News
4 Chuckwagon Theatre
6 Afternoon/Channel 6
10-18 Young & the Restless
13 Bob Braun's 50-50 Club
20 Time for Timothy
30 Instructional Programs
38 Password

12:30
2 Celebrity Sweepstakes
8-10-18 Search for Tomorrow
20 Firing Line
38 Split Second

1:00
2-6 Jackpot!
4 Movie "By the Light of the Silvery Moon"
8 Young & the Restless
10 News
18 Reed Farrell
30 Inside/Out
38 All My Children

1:30
2-6 Jeopardy!
8-10-18 As the World Turns
13-38 Let's Make a Deal
20 Nova
30 Instructional Programs

2:00
2-6 Days of Our Lives
8-10-18 Guiding Light
13-38 Newlywed Game

2:30
2-6 Doctors
8-10-18 Edge of Night
13-38 Girl in My Life
20 Lilias, Yoga & You
40 Lester Sumrall Presents

3:00
2-6 Another World
4 Superman (bw)
8-10-18 Price is Right
13-38 General Hospital
20 Your Thirty
40 New Zoo Revue

3:30
2-6 How to Survive a Marriage
4 Debbie's Place
8 Dinah!
10-18 Match Game
13-38 One Life to Live
20 Washington Straight Talk
22 Consultation
40 Black Buffalo

4:00
2-6 Somerset
10-18 Tattletales
13 Movie "A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum"
20-22-30-49 Sesame Street
38 $10,000 Pyramid

4:30
2-4 Flintstones
6 Mike Douglas (guests Cicely Tyson, F. Lee Bailey, Elizabeth Ashley, Keir Dullea, Stan Winston (makeup artist), Pearl Williams (centenarian), and a NYPD policewoman; also a discussion of rape)
10 Merv Griffin (guests James Earl Jones, Sheilah Graham, Orson Bean, and Joseph Bottoms)
18 Movie "It Happened One Sunday" (bw)
38 Bullwinkle
40 Captain Hook's Pirate Adventures

5:00
2 High Chapparal
4 Beverly Hillbillies (bw)
8 Raymond Burr (Ironside)
20-30-49 Mister Rogers' Neighborhood
22 22 Report
38 Green Acres
40 News

5:15
40 Film

5:30
4 Gomer Pyle, USMC
20-22-30-49 Villa Alegre
38 Star Trek
40 Film

5:55
10 News

Evening
6:00
2-6-8-10-13 News
4 Hogan's Heroes
20-22-30-49 Electric Company
40 Film

6:30
2 NBC Nightly News
4 Andy Griffith
10 CBS Evening News
13-38 ABC Evening News
18 News
20-22-30-49 Zoom
40 Man & His Boys

6:55
49 Bulletin Board

7:00
2 Truth or Consequences
4 Mod Squad
6 NBC Nightly News
8-18 CBS Evening News
10-13 To Tell the Truth
20 Football Fundamentals
22-49 Lilias, Yoga & You
30 Walsh's Animals
38 Weather
40 Lester Sumrall Teaches

7:05
38 Mission: Impossible

7:30
2 Hee Haw (guests Hugh Hefner, Boots Randolph, and Mickey Gilley...Indy (on WISH) and Lafayette saw this the previous Sat at 7)
6 Police Surgeon (Merlin Olsen guest stars as a wrestler accused of killing his opponent in the ring)
8 Concentration
10 Hollywood Squares
13 Bowling for Dollars
18 Protectors
20-22-30 Zee Cooking School
40 Northwest Assembly of God
49 Showcase

7:45
40 Film

8:00
4 Truth or Consequences
6 Adam-12
8-10-18 Good Times (part 1 of a 2-parter where J.J. gets coerced into joining a gang)
13 Name That Tune
20-22-30-49 America
38 Happy Days
40 Living Light

8:30
2-6 Hallmark Hall of Fame "Brief Encounter"
4 What's My Line?
8-10-18 M*A*S*H
13-38 Movie "All the Kind Strangers"
20-22-30-49 Evening at Symphony
40 Oral Roberts

9:00
4 Merv Griffin (guests Jackie Vernon, Louis Nye, David Brenner, Billy Braver, and the Hagers)
8-10-18 Hawaii Five-O (Jack Lord does double duty as he also directs this episode)
40 Lester Sumrall Presents

9:30
20-22-30 Woman
49 Continuing Education "Continuing Education and the University"

10:00
2-6 Police Story
8-10-18 Barnaby Jones
13-38 Marcus Welby, MD
20-22-49 Soundstage (the series premieres with Johnny Winter, Mike Bloomfield, Junior Wells, Dr. John, and Willie Dixon in a tribute to Muddy Waters, who also performs)
30 Big Red Football Highlights: highlights of last Sat's Indiana-Northwestern game

10:30
4-40 News

11:00
2-6-8-10-13-18-30-49 News
4 Untouchables (bw)
22 Tonight on 22
38 Weather

11:05
38 Adventurer

11:30
2-6 Tonight Show (guests Tiny Tim and Phyllis Newman)
8-10-18 Movie "That Certain Summer" (this groundbreaking 1972 TV flick dealt with homosexuality)
13-38 Wide World Mystery "Screamer"

Late Night
midnight
4 Felony Squad

12:30
4 Night Gallery

1:00
2-6 Tomorrow (discussion on tabloids)
4 News
13 Peyton Place

1:30
13 News

 

[Mike Stroud]

Bluenoser, did TVG indicate whether or not these listings were in "slow" or "fast" time, as it was known back then? I wonder if TVG did that in and around the Daylight/Standard changeovers in the spring and fall--I know for a fact that a competing TV listing for central Indiana did. Much of Arizona, as I recall, did not observe Daylight time either, and thus was considered the same as the Pacific Zone during that part of the year. It looks here, though, as if things were back on Standard Time, with primetime beginning at 8 p.m.

 

[Bluenoser]

Bluenoser, did TVG indicate whether or not these listings were in "slow" or "fast" time, as it was known back then? I wonder if TVG did that in and around the Daylight/Standard changeovers in the spring and fall--I know for a fact that a competing TV listing for central Indiana did. Much of Arizona, as I recall, did not observe Daylight time either, and thus was considered the same as the Pacific Zone during that part of the year. It looks here, though, as if things were back on Standard Time, with primetime beginning at 8 p.m.

Based on http://www.mccsc.edu/time.html, it sounds like Indiana (as well as the rest of the country) was on Daylight Time...I don't really know very much about the cluster known as Indiana time zones

 

[bpatrick]

Indianapolis, Lafayette, and Terre Haute would have
been one hour off if year-round EDT was in effect
(Louisville and Lexington would have been as well)
because of the gas crisis. Otherwise, if DST ended
at the end of October, they were in line with the
rest of the Eastern time zone.

 

[Mike Stroud]

Indianapolis, Lafayette, and Terre Haute would have
been one hour off if year-round EDT was in effect
(Louisville and Lexington would have been as well)
because of the gas crisis. Otherwise, if DST ended
at the end of October, they were in line with the
rest of the Eastern time zone.

Yeah, bp, and if I am not mistaken, I believe that states had the opportunity to opt out, but only if the entire state (no exceptions) went along. A Louisville Courier-Journal listing I have from the day Richard Nixon resigned the presidency, August 9, 1974, has all Kentucky stations listed in what appears to be Central time, whereas stations in Cincinnati, West Virginia, and east Tennessee all specify EST. I may be confused, but it appears that Indiana and Kentucky may have both declined the extended DST, whereas most states east of the Mississippi went along with it.

I am anxious to locate that paper, BTW, so I can post it.

 

[Tim from Springfield IL]

13 Name That Tune[/b]
20-22-30-49 America
38 Happy Days
40 Living Light

Was "Happy Days" completely pre-empted in Indy during fall 1974 on WLWI-13, or did it air on tape delay in some other slot?

Same question with "Adam-12" in Terre Haute on WTWO-2 (bumped for "Hee Haw" at 7:30 EST).

 

[Tim from Springfield IL]

Just thought of this--do you also have Indiana listings from another Tuesday night over 13 months later (a "red-letter" one)--Dec. 16, 1975: the night "One Day At a Time" (set in Indy) premiered on CBS? I wonder how the premiere of "One Day" was covered in Indianapolis with the show set in that city (and with it being a little controversial at times).

 

[mleach]

Just thought of this--do you also have Indiana listings from another Tuesday night over 13 months later (a "red-letter" one)--Dec. 16, 1975: the night "One Day At a Time" (set in Indy) premiered on CBS? I wonder how the premiere of "One Day" was covered in Indianapolis with the show set in that city (and with it being a little controversial at times).

My guess is that well..not much as far as covering the premire of One Day went. I saw the episodes of "One Day at a Time" from the first season and there wasn't much of "Indianapolis" mentioned on the show at all other than a single line here or there ( and those only people from Indy would get ). Very generic actually to the point One Day could had been set in Kansas City, Denver, Atlanta or even Harrisonburg, Virginia people wouldn't even really know the difference ( OK scratch that last city out ). I think it was the 3rd season ( 4th ?) where the opening credits did finally show Indianapolis and from what I can recall that was a request made to Norman Lear from the city of Indianapolis themselves.

Now if WISH-TV 8 had made a big deal out of "One Day at a Time" from day one...well......thats a good question.

 

[bpatrick]

Indianapolis, Lafayette, and Terre Haute would have
been one hour off if year-round EDT was in effect
(Louisville and Lexington would have been as well)
because of the gas crisis. Otherwise, if DST ended
at the end of October, they were in line with the
rest of the Eastern time zone.

Yeah, bp, and if I am not mistaken, I believe that states had the opportunity to opt out, but only if the entire state (no exceptions) went along. A Louisville Courier-Journal listing I have from the day Richard Nixon resigned the presidency, August 9, 1974, has all Kentucky stations listed in what appears to be Central time, whereas stations in Cincinnati, West Virginia, and east Tennessee all specify EST. I may be confused, but it appears that Indiana and Kentucky may have both declined the extended DST, whereas most states east of the Mississippi went along with it.

I am anxious to locate that paper, BTW, so I can post it.

I remember that Indiana and Kentucky opted out and that both states
were completely on EST (the term Indiana preferred to CDT), but West
Virginia, Ohio, and east Tennessee went on EDT.

One thing I remember about Louisville (correct me if I'm wrong) is that
WLKY carried its local news at 5:30 and ABC News at 6. As long as
Louisville was on Eastern time, the news was followed (at that time)
by Hogan's Heroes at 6:30, a checkerboard of game shows at 7, and
What's My Line? at 7:30. IIRC, during the period we're talking about
WLKY went straight from Smith and Reasoner to What's My Line? since
6:30 (CT) was access time and Louisville was in the no-reruns-on-
affiliates restriction. I also seem to recall WHAS dropping Beat The Clock,
which it ran at 7 (ET) and going straight to its 7:30 checkerboard at
6:30 (CT).

 

[dave73]

Indianapolis, Lafayette, and Terre Haute would have
been one hour off if year-round EDT was in effect
(Louisville and Lexington would have been as well)
because of the gas crisis. Otherwise, if DST ended
at the end of October, they were in line with the
rest of the Eastern time zone.

South Bend & Fort Wayne were also on the same time as the central time zone during sprint & summer. I remember that until 2005, South Bend TV stations would list 2 times, such as for the news, they would say for the night news, 10pm, 11pm in Michigan. All other promos for TV shows would add an hour for Michigan. Since 2006, South Bend stopped doing that, since they're now on the same time with eastern time all year round. Since LaPorte County Indiana is part of Chicago (though they're really closer to South Bend than Chicago), they don't mention central time in their promos. South Bend wanted to switch to central time, but the rest of the market wanted to observe eastern time. So South Bend had to stay on eastern time.

from TV Guide-Central Indiana edition
4 WTTV-Ind Indianapolis

While WTTV promotes themselves as an Indianapolis station, they're actually licensed to Bloomington. If the COL wasn't so far south, they could have had city grade coverage over Indianapolis.

 

[azumanga]

While WTTV promotes themselves as an Indianapolis station, they're actually licensed to Bloomington. If the COL wasn't so far south, they could have had city grade coverage over Indianapolis.

I don't know if this was a spacing issue or not, especially since the nearest 4s to Bloomington / Indy was Columbus, Detroit, Milwaukee, St. Louis and Nashville.

Also, because of its location, WTTV would later establish a satellite in Kokomo, WTTK ch.29, to better serve areas north of Indy.

Following the digital transition, WTTV moved its transmitter to Johnson County, closer to Indy. WTTK's, I think, is still close to Kokomo, though they have a permit to move the transmitter to Indianapolis itself.

 

[dave73]

While WTTV promotes themselves as an Indianapolis station, they're actually licensed to Bloomington. If the COL wasn't so far south, they could have had city grade coverage over Indianapolis.

I don't know if this was a spacing issue or not, especially since the nearest 4s to Bloomington / Indy was Columbus, Detroit, Milwaukee, St. Louis and Nashville.

Also, because of its location, WTTV would later establish a satellite in Kokomo, WTTK ch.29, to better serve areas north of Indy.

Following the digital transition, WTTV moved its transmitter to Johnson County, closer to Indy. WTTK's, I think, is still close to Kokomo, though they have a permit to move the transmitter to Indianapolis itself.

It was a spacing issue, as well as a distance issue from the COL. WCIA used to be on channel 3 in Champaign, Illinois & WTTV on 4. Now, it's co-channel spacing, as WCIA & WTTV are both on channel 48. With both stations on 48, that makes it even less likely WTTV could move further north. As for WTTK, they could move the signal toward Indianapolis, while still putting city grade coverage over Kokomo. It's like in Chicago where WGBO RF 38 is licensed to Joliet, IL, & sister station WXFT RF 50 is licensed to Aurora Illinois. Both of those stations are far from Chicago, but not too far that their transmitters are in Chicago, and still can put out city grade coverage over their COL's. If WTTK is able to cover nearly all of the market, then Tribune could use just WTTK for the CW, and either program WTTV for something else, or sell WTTV to someone else. The link I'm providing has the maps in .PDF format, and you would have to scroll thru all of the Indianapolis stations to get to the coverage maps for WTTV & WTTK. http://www.fcc.gov/dtv/markets/maps_current/Indianapolis_IN.pdf . This link (from the same site) has maps that can be received based on where you live, though the maps aren't necessarily correct: http://www.fcc.gov/mb/engineering/maps/ .

 

[KeithE4]

While WTTV promotes themselves as an Indianapolis station, they're actually licensed to Bloomington. If the COL wasn't so far south, they could have had city grade coverage over Indianapolis.

WTTV is licensed to Bloomington because that is where the station originally came from when it signed on in 1949. It started on Channel 10, was low-powered (around 6 kW visual ERP), and had poor coverage into Indy if it had any at all. It was primary NBC for its first few years but carried programs from all 4 networks. Back in that day, a station had to physically operate from its COL, as well as provide city-grade coverage. That rule didn't change until the mid '50s.

When the new allocations were released in 1952, Channel 4 was allocated to Bloomington, not Indy. Had it not been on the air yet, the channel probably would have been allocated to Indy and operated there from the start. Before 1952, the allocations table showed Channel 10 allocated to Indy (along with 3, 6, 8, and 12), but the station never operated from there until long after it moved to Channel 4.

I don't think there would have been a short-spacing issue with other Channel 4s in Milwaukee, Detroit, and Columbus, or with Channel 3s in Champaign and Louisville had the WTTV tower been further north.

Also, in 1974, WTTV still maintained their original studio in Bloomington and used it for only a few B&W shows that targeted that city (I don't think it was ever set up for color - it was a very small studio that wasn't used much anymore). The main studio had moved to Indy in 1956, about the time when it lost NBC to WFBM-TV and picked up ABC from WISH-TV for a year.