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Re: RE "See you Thursday, Mr Cooke"
So let me get this straight:
HJJ is doing poorly because there is such a great demand for Hannity et al that evrybody is just listening to WABC to hear them, instead of HJJ? Whereas before, when HJJ had a lot of LOCAL programming and BIG ratings, it was because listeners hadn't yet discover that WABC came in around these parts?
You're reaching.
Holland Cooke said:cm454 said:I'm especially curious as to what Holland Cooke has to say about this: http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/index.php/topic,126204.0.html
APPLAUSE for curiosity, the-opposite-of the business-as-usual that's causing radio so many problems now.
'Haven't seen the Providence numbers.
A bunch of markets got released all-in-one-week, so I've been paying attention to payin' customers.
From several terse posts on that other page, I infer that WHJJ didn't do well?
'Haven't had a chance to hear 'em much.
When I'm home on The Block, and checking-in to hear El Rushbo or Sean, I usually listen via WABC, which is louder on the island. I will hit 920 when I want to hear Glenn Beck, who's unavailable elsewhere locally; and on parts of the island, I lose the signal. In-the-words-of the Yanmar mechanic who works on my boat: "There's your problem right there..."
93.3, on the other hand, booms in loud-and-clear.
HC
http://getonthenet.com/IR-TalkRadioTsunami.pdf
So let me get this straight:
HJJ is doing poorly because there is such a great demand for Hannity et al that evrybody is just listening to WABC to hear them, instead of HJJ? Whereas before, when HJJ had a lot of LOCAL programming and BIG ratings, it was because listeners hadn't yet discover that WABC came in around these parts?
You're reaching.
Untwisting pretzel logic...
Pick an AM, any AM, any format, any market.
If its signal is lesser-than its format competitor's AM, and the competitor is also simulcasting on FM, that station will be disadvantaged.
HC
www.HollandCooke.com
PS: Once-upon-a-time, WABC (and WCBS, and WNBC, signals we Block Islanders still hear louder than Providence AMs) did show up in the Providence numbers: http://getonthenet.com/Arb.jpg
Pick an AM, any AM, any format, any market.
If its signal is lesser-than its format competitor's AM, and the competitor is also simulcasting on FM, that station will be disadvantaged.
HC
www.HollandCooke.com
PS: Once-upon-a-time, WABC (and WCBS, and WNBC, signals we Block Islanders still hear louder than Providence AMs) did show up in the Providence numbers: http://getonthenet.com/Arb.jpg
Re: Untwisting pretzel logic...
So what has changed for the New York stations to no longer show up in the Providence ratings? Did Arbitron change something? If the numbers showed up before, I don't understand why they would not show up now. The New York stations have the same power as before.
Holland Cooke said:PS: Once-upon-a-time, WABC (and WCBS, and WNBC, signals we Block Islanders still hear louder than Providence AMs) did show up in the Providence numbers: http://getonthenet.com/Arb.jpg
So what has changed for the New York stations to no longer show up in the Providence ratings? Did Arbitron change something? If the numbers showed up before, I don't understand why they would not show up now. The New York stations have the same power as before.
Z
za-rex
Guest
Re: Untwisting pretzel logic...
1974 vs today. More local programming choices. Less reason to listen to New York radio? More ways to get what you want without turning to radio so why bother listening to NY?
Skynet74 said:Holland Cooke said:PS: Once-upon-a-time, WABC (and WCBS, and WNBC, signals we Block Islanders still hear louder than Providence AMs) did show up in the Providence numbers: http://getonthenet.com/Arb.jpg
So what has changed for the New York stations to no longer show up in the Providence ratings? Did Arbitron change something? If the numbers showed up before, I don't understand why they would not show up now. The New York stations have the same power as before.
1974 vs today. More local programming choices. Less reason to listen to New York radio? More ways to get what you want without turning to radio so why bother listening to NY?
Is that the actual answer za-rex? Maybe Holland has another one. I don't know. Back in 1974 most of the AM's were still playing music. New York stations were playing the same songs as Providence stations. So what's the difference between now and then? Both in 1974 and today, the same programmming can pretty much be heard in Providence as well as New York. Except now instead of music on AM, it's Limbaugh, Hannity and Michael Savage instead. It just seems strange that New York has pretty much fallen off the Arbitron charts in Rhode Island. It makes me think that something else is going on.
Good morning FROM Noo Yawk...where 'CBS-FM sounds GREAT.
A couple things happened:
1. Local stations woke-up/changed-formats/moved-in (i.e., suburban rim-shot signals like 99.7 and 103.7 covering-enough-of the Metro to elbow-out distant-market stations).
2. MORE of a factor: AM receivers went to hell. Manufacturers figured that it's-an-FM-world, and skimped on AM circuitry. The Sangean CC Radio is still conspicuously-better-than what-comes-in-the-dashboard-of many new cars.
GET THIS: I recently visited WPTF/Raleigh, and they put-me-up-in the brand-spankin'-new Marriott downtown. VERY nice, very new. You can still smell carpet adhesive. The clock radio in the rooms gives you TWO ways to dock an iPod (on top, and plug-on-a-wire-in-the-back), and has FM...but NO AM CHIP. I was there to listen to an AM station, but the radio doesn't receive AM. Thus streaming, no longer just an adjunct. Here in New York, PPM data shows a bigger audience for one FM's stream than for its transmitter!
HC
www.HollandCooke.com
http://getonthenet.com/IR-TalkRadioTsunami.pdf
A couple things happened:
1. Local stations woke-up/changed-formats/moved-in (i.e., suburban rim-shot signals like 99.7 and 103.7 covering-enough-of the Metro to elbow-out distant-market stations).
2. MORE of a factor: AM receivers went to hell. Manufacturers figured that it's-an-FM-world, and skimped on AM circuitry. The Sangean CC Radio is still conspicuously-better-than what-comes-in-the-dashboard-of many new cars.
GET THIS: I recently visited WPTF/Raleigh, and they put-me-up-in the brand-spankin'-new Marriott downtown. VERY nice, very new. You can still smell carpet adhesive. The clock radio in the rooms gives you TWO ways to dock an iPod (on top, and plug-on-a-wire-in-the-back), and has FM...but NO AM CHIP. I was there to listen to an AM station, but the radio doesn't receive AM. Thus streaming, no longer just an adjunct. Here in New York, PPM data shows a bigger audience for one FM's stream than for its transmitter!
HC
www.HollandCooke.com
http://getonthenet.com/IR-TalkRadioTsunami.pdf
PPM data shows a bigger audience for a stream than for a transmitter? Holy Cow. That one fact is probably scaring the crap out of a lot of stations. Anybody with a computer now has the ability to grab audience share. Each and every one of us now has the ability to become the competition! Things are changing right before our eyes.
You'd need to get an encrypted signal to show up on PPM, so that blows a hole in that theory. It was funny to see some NY stations show up in Boston's 1st trial PPM (January) as somebody went to NY on vaca and picked up stations while there on the meter.Skynet74 said:PPM data shows a bigger audience for a stream than for a transmitter? Holy Cow. That one fact is probably scaring the crap out of a lot of stations. Anybody with a computer now has the ability to grab audience share. Each and every one of us now has the ability to become the competition! Things are changing right before our eyes.
"Anybody with a computer now has the ability to grab audience share."
Theoretically, yes.
"Encoded," and lots of non-radio audio is-or-will-be, i.e., Muzak at The Gap.
That's one of the benefits of PPM: connecting-the-dots between radio/TV and retail.
So-called "Internet radio" is encodable.
Now that measurement will be more-than-a-memory-test, we'll see actual use. For instance, I'm in New York, where I listened to WCBS-FM today. Why shouldn't they get credit? I heard the commercials they played. And some GREAT jocks.
Theoretically, yes.
wknd92 said:You'd need to get an encrypted signal to show up on PPM, so that blows a hole in that theory.
"Encoded," and lots of non-radio audio is-or-will-be, i.e., Muzak at The Gap.
That's one of the benefits of PPM: connecting-the-dots between radio/TV and retail.
So-called "Internet radio" is encodable.
wknd92 said:It was funny to see some NY stations show up in Boston's 1st trial PPM (January) as somebody went to NY on vaca and picked up stations while there on the meter.
Now that measurement will be more-than-a-memory-test, we'll see actual use. For instance, I'm in New York, where I listened to WCBS-FM today. Why shouldn't they get credit? I heard the commercials they played. And some GREAT jocks.
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