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ROCHESTER RADIO 1967 - Only 12 stations in town........

I have no intention of being in the vicinity of any fluttering sheets - or conversations regarding them.

BTW, the combination of Mighty Taco and Genny Cream is probably the primary cause of global warming.
 
Paul_Warren said:
Larry, 3WG sounded terrific once it got past the first couple weeks. I still remember the TM "Listen to Your City" package. (And the hilarious "Tomorrow Radio" spoof on the B-side of the vinyl demo LP, for that matter!) If memory serves me, Brandon went brokered religious, and the last AC-format book, released by Arbitron after the change, made him look pretty dumb for dumping the format!

At around these times, I was a student at French Road Middle School in Brighton, next to the 1370 transmitter towers, which always caused problems for the AV department because the damn signal got into everything from the public address system, the television sets, and the intercoms used to call the office. Our bus driver was partial to WAXC/WWWG (I probably heard "Dust in the Wind" 100 times or more on the ride home). My mother usually preferred WBBF during the day and WHAM during the morning, which my father usually listened to in his truck day or night.

I remember the "1500 Rochester 3WG" Listen to Your City campaign very well. They even ran the generic spots in the movie theaters (the one with throngs of people wandering around downtown). Wow, a radio station that promoted itself. Like the WEZO ads probably done by Dolphin out of NYC with the LSD butterfly. The campaign for WWWG actually did seem to create an interest in the station from people that wouldn't listen to it in the early 1970s. I was too young to really remember why, but the impression I got is that the format must have softened as the 70s progressed because some parents wouldn't let their kids listen to the station earlier in the 1970s.

The other recollection I have of the mid-1970s was the absolute disinterest in FM radio by just about everyone. Nobody cared about FM unless you listened to classical/old people music or were a hippie-type. I remember experimenting up and down the dial and being intrigued by WMJQ who had announcers come on with tinkling glass wind chime-like things heard in the background fairly regularly. And then perhaps later, the moose that turned up at local events and in their ads (my timeline is based on the recollections of a then-ten year old). On what I suspect was WCMF, were programs in the evening that seemed to consist of someone playing entire albums, occasionally left to simply end with "tick, tick, tick, tick" as they reached their end with nobody around to flip them or move on to something else.

And I especially recall the easy listening music battle between WPXY (Pixie-98) 98, which had a more uptempo sound to it, with Jerry Warner's WEZO, which had a rough start with automated time checks which, during the early years, were often wildly wrong. My father used to yell "a**holes... what are they, on drugs?" A lot of folks probably wondered when exactly Jerry Warner got to go home at night, not realizing outside of his morning gig (complete with the endless golf stories), the station was automated. Even back then, people were talking about Warner being able to drink anyone under any table, which I seem to remember shocked me at the time.

And "The Beat Goes On..." WDKX ads showing... ahem... surbanites suddenly getting the funky feeling from the beat and busting out into disco-era dance moves.

The most bizarre format choice I remember from the 1980s was I believe on 1370 before WXXI bought it. After the owners gave up on the talk radio format, they had a bizarre music format on there that seemed to be sort-of country'esque, but I always wondered who in the world around here was going to listen to it. They kicked the format off with a bad stunt that got local press coverage with a DJ pretending to be drunk playing the same record over and over again. People have since wised up to the tricks of the radio business, but back then it was novel enough to get press time in the D&C which was notorious for ignoring local radio in general. WXXI's biggest public service ever was putting 1370 out of its former misery.
 
Two questions

1) In the 60's, Syracuse had 2 professional TOP 40 stations. I went to Rochester and was shocked by WSAY. I wondered how they ever competed. How could Salt City have both WOLF and WNDR?

2) Did not CHUM and CKEY have any following in Rochester?
 
If his actual first name was Stephen (as opposed to Steve) he passed away on the 18th of April 1994; he was 41; would have been 42 in December of 1994.

That is much too young for someone to pass away.


Bob1370 said:
"Larry, what about Springer Jones? I think he started at WAXC before moving over to BBF. I heard he's dead now. True?"

Sure hope not...Springer Jones (real name Steve Reeder, sometime airname Steve Springer) was a schoolmate of mine at Aquinas in the late 60s, we were together at WAXC in late '77-early '78, later went to BBF and still later, WHFM. Up to just a few years ago he was doing air shifts over at 98PXY when it was part of the CBS cluster. Lost touch with him in recent years, but last I heard he was alive and well. Anyone know the latest about him?
 
MsMusicRadio said:
Two questions

1) In the 60's, Syracuse had 2 professional TOP 40 stations. I went to Rochester and was shocked by WSAY. I wondered how they ever competed. How could Salt City have both WOLF and WNDR?

Syracuse was a bigger city back then, for one thing, and there was a huge supply of cheap on-air talent coming out of SU (and Ithaca and Cornell, I'm guessing, too.)

2) Did not CHUM and CKEY have any following in Rochester?

Nope - both stations' directional nulls fall over Rochester. Remember that we're not just south of Toronto; we're considerably east, too. CHUM protects 1050 in New York City; CKEY on 580 protected Harrisburg and on 590 protects Scranton. The CHUM site is west of Toronto along the lakeshore, aiming mostly north and east. The CKEY site of that era was on Toronto Island, pumping everything due north into the city. It later moved across to the south shore of the lake, still pumping everything due north. CHUM at least has a decent signal into Buffalo; CKEY (now CJCL) does not now. I'm not sure if it did back in the Toronto Island days.
 
I heard CHUM very well in Irondequoit when I was a kid (70's). In the daytime anyway. Here's proof. Some jock names ... Shotgun Tom, Roger Ashby. I can also name some of the Canadian-only Guess Who hits ("Follow Your Daughter Home" & "Star Baby" come to mind). But my point is that CHUM had a following in Rochester ... of at least one. Me.
 
[I'm wondering if Chum could be picked up today in the Rochester area, as opposed to the 1970's, when radios had better sensitivity and selectibity on the AM band, and there wasn't the IBOC jamming devices turned on and all the other man made interference (computer's , new mercury filled light bulbs etc that weren't a factor in the 70's.


btw- do you remember "Guns Guns Guns" by the Guess Who?

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I heard CHUM very well in Irondequoit when I was a kid (70's). In the daytime anyway. Here's proof. Some jock names ... Shotgun Tom, Roger Ashby. I can also name some of the Canadian-only Guess Who hits ("Follow Your Daughter Home" & "Star Baby" come to mind). But my point is that CHUM had a following in Rochester ... of at least one. Me.
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I remember "Guns Guns Guns". Not one of my favorites. I thought of two more ... "Rain Dance" & "Albert Flasher". Both huge in Canada. Barely a blip on the radar here in the States.
 
Phillip Dampier said:
In the 1980s, WSAY did try to compete against (the then) 990-AM WNYR. I should know since I worked for WNYR at the time.

I can remember quite well that the (then) Program Director of WSAY, I believe it was Nelson Guyette (sp) sent a funeral wreath to our station when he started his country format to compete against us. After the next ratings book, which showed WNYR decisively beating 1370, our PD ( Jeff Goodrich) sent the wreath back with a note saying they could use this more than we could.

What was ironic is at the same time WHAM was for sale for a mere $3 million dollars. I remember going to our general manager and begging him to convince our owners to buy 1180 and sell 990. Unfortunately he didn't act fast enough to beat Jack Palvino and Bud Wortheimer from buying WHAM. I often wondered how a 50 kw AM country station would have fared in the Rochester market. I guess we will never know.

As for Jerry Warner and WEZO. It's true that a large part of our audience wasn't aware that Jerry didn't work 24 hours a day and that after morning drive the station was automated. However the format for WEZO allowed for automation since it was mostly background music anyways. As for the time check snafus, well blame the automation machine and not poor Jerry.

As for WXXI purchasing 1370, it was a good move at the time. However had I been employed at the station during the 80s, I would have strongly urged that instead of buying an AM station, that WXXI apply for an FM with a larger signal. I was told that the chief engineer at the time told management there wasn't any FM signals left.
Low and behold since then a number of frequencies became available. I guess the chief engineer didn't bother to do his homework.
 
Mark_Giardina said:
As for WXXI purchasing 1370, it was a good move at the time. However had I been employed at the station during the 80s, I would have strongly urged that instead of buying an AM station, that WXXI apply for an FM with a larger signal. I was told that the chief engineer at the time told management there wasn't any FM signals left. Low and behold since then a number of frequencies became available. I guess the chief engineer didn't bother to do his homework.

In defense of the engineers, the available FMs were Docket 80-90s, 3 kW-6 kW ERP in the commercial band. 'Course, there might have been a company that would have been willing to part with a commercial Class B if the price was right, but not likely. FM values were appreciating in the 80s.

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1050 CHUM and 680 CFTR were on the buttons of dad's car radio. Duke Roberts, J. Michael Wilson, John Brodie, Scott Carpenter, Roger Ashby, John Gilbert.

Guess Who?

These Eyes, Hang On To Your Life and And When The Band Was Playin' Shakin All Over.

Where'd you get the gun, John?
 
I remember living in Wayland as a kid in the Early 60's Getting a pretty good signal of CKEY on 580...The signal was not nearly as good on 590 as Scranton was much closer than Harrisburg...I would listen to WARM in my Parent's 58 Buick before the CKEY move to 590..WHP did'nt quite make it to Wayland daytime..I never understood why CKEY moved to 590 unless it was to Protect Ottawa..It seemed kind of close to 610 St. Catherines also..Another early 60's memory I have is WHAM getting Cuban interference..There was a time it was pretty pronounced.
 
Re: ROCHESTER RADIO 1967 - Only 12 stations in town........Steve Reeder...

Bob1370 said:
"It appears that Steve passed in 1994, but I don't know the cause. I knew Steve when he was at Buffalo State, and just getting started in Rochester radio, and I also lost track of him over the years. I'll echo Sherlock's sentiments - he was a talented, good guy and much to young to go."

That's terrible to hear. 1994...wow, that's a longer stretch since he'd been heard here in town, than I'd remembered. Time's rushing by so fast.

Seems like only the day before yesterday that we were all trying (unsuccessfully for the most part) to stay out of trouble with the priests at Aquinas, and only yesterday we were both part of WAXC's last months as a CHR station. Steve was indeed a good guy and a talented one, who really deserved to hit the big time--if he passed 14 years ago, he must have been only 41 or 42 at the time. Tragic...

I missed this thread from earlier this summer. Although the information about "Springer's" passing is accurate, it seems some details were left unclear. So, below is an excerpt from the D&C (April 10, 1994). Though I didn't know him as well as some who have written about him here, we briefly crossed paths at 'PXY in the mid-'80s (and I recall once accepting his invitation to visit him in the Silver Stadium press box during a game). He was one of the good ones, to be sure.

Democrat and Chronicle (April 10, 1994)

P.A. announcer dies

Steve Springer had hoped to introduce the 1996 Rochester Red Wings starting lineup for the opening game at the proposed new downtown stadium he was so excited about.

When he knew that would be impossible, his goal was to be behind the microphone for Friday's home opener at Silver Stadium.

Instead, he will be buried tomorrow, wearing a Red Wings cap and jacket. He died Friday night at Highland Hospital after a long illness. He was 41.

Springer, a former local radio disc jockey and sports reporter, had been the Silver Stadium public address announcer since 1987.

Springer, whose real name was Steve Reeder, was a native of Rochester who graduated from Aquinas and Buffalo State.
 
Steve Reeder

Mike,

Thanks so much for filling in the missing pieces. Steve was a genuinely nice guy, a talented jock, always upbeat and positive, and displayed a lot of class. I'm sorry to hear of his passing, but glad to know that he was recognized.

RIP, Steve.
 
Mike, my thanks too...for posting for everyone the finale of a story of an old high school friend and later colleague who I'd lost touch with over the years.

If only Steve had lived to introduce the lineup at Frontier Field when it opened in time for that Governor's Cup season...

:'(
 
This will probably NOT get read (nobody's paid attention to it for 3 years looks like) but I figure what the heck. Last summer we had our Rochester Radio Reunion -and it brought up some very cool memories (mostly thanks to Scott Fybush).

First- WSAY. There were 2 reasons the station sounded so bad. Tubes, and Gordon Brown's "thriftiness". I started there in 1966 and worked weekends. I'd visited there a few times between 61 and 66-and actually ran the board once in '64 for Pat Barett-one of the Jerry Jacks. I noticed one day that the music actually sounded (relatively) good -and found out that trusty CE Ron Steve had changed one of the sapphire needles in the gray tonearms. Not to worry. The needles GPB would buy were good for either LP or standard groove. And they were good for about 2 weeks of continuous play before they wore out. Secondly one turntable (the left one) had a fierce RF buzz in it when the RIAA filter was set to flat. It was always therefore set to intermediate. In cleaning the studio one night during Drew Pearson and some funky taped show (played on the ol' Ampex 300) I was cleaning up-noticed that the turntables weren't bolted down. I lifted the left one just to see what the insides of those ol' Rondine Jrs. looked like and found the ground wire not connected. I connected it (with scotch tape) tried the RIAA filter on Flat-and voila. The buzz was reduced to a workable level. After that day you could hear the distortion from the worn-out needles much more clearly. I would also make a monthly visit to Arlan's on W. Henrietta Road and buy 2 DIAMOND needles (about $4 each) for the VRII cartridges. When I started my shift (and no one was looking) I'd slide out the worn-out styli and put in the diamonds. They weren't as sturdy as the GBP models-and I found that if I left them in, one of the other guys would eventually bend the crap out of one.

The other reason -worn out tubes. One night Art Phillips and I stayed late (after signoff), retubed the console and re-worked the wires on the "temporary" studio. (It was moved out there while GPB was building radio and TV studios on the East Avenue site) -and when Channel 13 went elsewhere, he just quit building and French Road stayed in operation til 79 (or so) when he died. The RCA 5K transmitter was rarely re-tubed while Gordon was there. He did have an RCA tech come in when it failed over and over and over -and some things were replaced-and it was retubed. Sounded good for about 6 months, but he only had an RCA peak limiter in the chain between the upstairs control room, the downstairs RCA console and the transmitter. There were many things in the way from a good sounding audio chain. However we did what we could. The transmitter rarely hit more than 60% peaks on the mod monitor. That wasn't overmodulation, that was just old-fashioned distortion.

The signal was (and still is) the 2nd best AM signal at night. Protecting Toledo and Vermont, we would send a southeast lobe over Canandaigua at night. Daytime was still shaky. WBBF got out better in the daytime because it was lower on the dial -and even WRNY/WRVM/WNYR's 250 watts at 680 was able to drown out 'SAY. When Lou Dickey (sr) bought the station, he shut it down for 3 days and brought in a new transmitter, new console and re-did the French Road studios. I met once with John Casciani in 1980- and almost cried because his office was the former control room.

WAXC was an amazing station in that they had originally kicked off from the WHEC studios on East Avenue. RCA everything (except the cart machines)-and the Shure SM-5 mics. When I started in 73, it was a dream to have an "engineer". That is if they paid attention, or knew the music or weren't fighting with their spouse. What we didn't know was that there were always TWO temperaments to deal with. The jock's -and the engineer's.

When they voted out the union I was then pushing for us to run our own boards. The answer happened when Gary Warren (of Ferdinand Smith fame) was FORCED to record a public affairs show in our new Chestnut Street studios' production suite and couldn't run the board for my show. I walked in to see a mic in the control room-and in most cases we never had a board op again.

WBFB/WBBF FM was in interesting prospect. In the Summer of 1967 I was visited at WSAY by Art Gibson, a WSAY alumni who was working at 'BBF. He told me he was going to be music director of "The New WBBF-FM" when it moved from 101.3 to 92.5 and was going to be MOR. On Sunday nights we did 2 hours of softer music and they somehow liked what I was doing. I think the offer was $75 per week and I jumped at it. Trouble was (and anyone working at 'SAY in the 60's remembers) there was a "no compete" clause in the papers we signed when we were hired. John Sayre had just taken over WBBF and 'BBF-FM as Lin Broadcasting bought it. Gordon P. went to visit in his trademark overalls threatening to sue. John decided he didn't want to take on this older person and therefore the job offer was rescinded. As luck would have it the classical fans ended up blocking the format change and when WBBF-FM moved to 92.5, there were the MOR formatics-and Beethoven and Bach remained. It was Ken Wolt (Dan Clayton) who finally got it done when he donated the music, automation and Simon Pontin to WXXI-FM and WBBF-FM went all news with the NBC Radio NIS network. Of course it folded a year later-and WMJQ was born.

But I digress. Say what you want. WSAY was a technically inferior radio station, but it was the greatest learning experience you could ever have. Sybilla Reber could have been a real hag-but was always very sweet to me, even when she told me I couldn't go to work at 'BBF-FM. She asked me to stay, which I did til I got that $75 a week job at WLEA in Hornell. It was also the best radio museum in history, from the 1936 Cadillac 12-cylinder machine in the back garage to the 2 antique transmitters, to the ancient transcription equipment. I wish I could have gone through GPB's East Avenue mansion. Rumor had it he was very well equipped at home. One day while I was working, one of the Rondine turntables quit. I think the Rondine came out in 1956 or 58...had a list price of $89 or $129 (depending on the motor you bought) - but in 1967 Gordon brought out a new one. Wrapped in plastic. Sitting around so long the cork on the turntable was peeling off.
 
Dave - very interesting stories. Thanks for sharing.

Be big, be a builder :)
 
"Be big, be a builder"

Found out a while back, that the story that gave rise to that catch phrase on the old WSAY (and also on Gordon Brown's Buffalo-area station WNIA) came out of Masonic lore--guess Gordon Brown must have belonged to the Masonic order.

Wish I could remember which WSAY annoouncer once messed around with it and said on the air, "Be big--be a building." That one got around and became a joke in the newsroom at WBEN in Buffalo because several of us (Jim McLaughlin, Kevin Gordon and yours truly) had Rochester roots.
 
Here it is 2017, and a lot of these posts are 10 years old -or older. . . wow. Springer Jones was always a treat to work with at WAXC. I was sad learning of his passing and reading this post brings back memories of a fun time at 191 East Avenue. . . and 50 Chestnut Plaza.
 
Interesting question about WSAY. In the 18 months I worked there we had 2 things going for us. A better nighttime signal and fewer commercials. The more I see things today post consolidation, the more I reflect back on the 1370 years. There was a time (after my departure) in 1968 where it was public knowledge that WSAY had actually beaten WBBF in the nighttime ratings. 'SAY never had "coaches"-or help in doing a good job on the air. We (believe it or not) were given a format-something like "male vocal, female vocal, instrumental" which I think I followed for about 3 songs when I started. AM radio was fun back in those days. 'BBF was great but had a lot of talk. CHUM was only a shaky on the signal front. 'KB boomed into town all the time..and at night you heard with WABC, WCFL, WLS, and others-so the choices were many. I think 'CFL and WLS' competing with each other helped make radio fun...it was truly inspiring for those of us at WSAY. Of course, WCFL had Dick Orkin. WSAY had....to record in the audition channel into a couple of crummy consumer grade recorders. (We DID have an Ampex 300 but it was so maladjusted that you couldn't rely on it for less than a 7" reel)...but we found ways to make "mini spins" by punching the start button at the right time... WSAY had one sales person.. . . . .John Sebaste. . .and that was it. Our hand typed logs had 2 colors of print-red for commercials, black for everything else. The "red" was sparse. Preparation H commercials (probably some kind of trade), The Angelus Prayer, Rosary, Back to The Bible -and some fun night clubs which inspired us to try to be creative. We'd run 2-3 minute spots for some of the local clubs-because we didn't know better. Did WSAY compete? Naah. We didn't have to, I guess
 
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