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FCC receives IBOC comments. (In glorious .pdf)

The car theory on page four of ten is very funny ... beep beep, get outta my way!

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Re: Try this link

> > FCC receives IBOC comments. (In glorious .pdf)
> >
> > The car theory on page four of ten is very funny ... beep
> > beep, get outta my way!
> >
> Your link glitched: try this
http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/pro> d/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdf&id_document=6518005579
>
>
> That guy is delusional: he actually thinks people listen to
> AM radio at night!
>


Well then, lets make ALL of the AMers Daytimers only and see how much people listen to AM at night.

Funny, when people talk about AM stations, they complain that "well it is only a daytimer, without night service they wont get any ratings". Then we have the opposite: "no one listens to AM at night anymore". Which is it?
 
Re: Try this link

> Funny, when people talk about AM stations, they complain
> that "well it is only a daytimer, without night service they
> wont get any ratings". Then we have the opposite: "no one
> listens to AM at night anymore". Which is it?
>
My wife listens only to AM and only in her car. She seldom drives alone at night, but when we go out, using her car, I switch to FM. I'd be hard pressed to think of anyone I've ever known who did much radio listening at all - AM or FM - in home at night: I've always thought that most night "not-in-the-car" radio listening was by 7-11 clerks, lonely widows and geeky anti-social males who keep waiting for the return of Art Bell :)
 
It's a floor wax AND a dessert topping!

>
> Funny, when people talk about AM stations, they complain
> that "well it is only a daytimer, without night service they
> wont get any ratings". Then we have the opposite: "no one
> listens to AM at night anymore". Which is it?
>
Both, as those options are self-reinforcing.

Face it, AM radio basically killed itself, and the survivors are doing the best they can to squeeze every drop of milk out of the dying cash cow.
 
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> My wife listens only to AM and only in her car. She seldom
> drives alone at night, but when we go out, using her car, I
> switch to FM. I'd be hard pressed to think of anyone I've
> ever known who did much radio listening at all - AM or FM -
> in home at night: I've always thought that most night
> "not-in-the-car" radio listening was by 7-11 clerks, lonely
> widows and geeky anti-social males who keep waiting for the
> return of Art Bell :)

I will sometimes listen to classical radio stations trying to drift off to sleep at night, but I certainly don't listen to the same things that I do during the day.

Art Bell fans are a freak fest. I had one call the station convinced that the beep-beep-beep that was being overlaid onto the show until I drove in and rebooted was aliens trying to communicate with him and not the automation switcher hanging up and mixing the Mutual/NBC news channel (which would beep between newscasts) and the Premiere receiver together.<P ID="signature">______________
...co-moderator of the Satellite Radio, Phoenix, and San Diego boards...</P>
 
Re: It's a floor wax AND a dessert topping!

> >
> > Funny, when people talk about AM stations, they complain
> > that "well it is only a daytimer, without night service
> they
> > wont get any ratings". Then we have the opposite: "no one
>
> > listens to AM at night anymore". Which is it?
> >
> Both, as those options are self-reinforcing.
>
> Face it, AM radio basically killed itself, and the survivors
> are doing the best they can to squeeze every drop of milk
> out of the dying cash cow.
>


Is that why the number one station in many major markets is an AM?

And it is a desert topping ;-)
 
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> > My wife listens only to AM and only in her car. She seldom
>
> > drives alone at night, but when we go out, using her car,
> I
> > switch to FM. I'd be hard pressed to think of anyone I've
>
> > ever known who did much radio listening at all - AM or FM
> -
> > in home at night: I've always thought that most night
> > "not-in-the-car" radio listening was by 7-11 clerks,
> lonely
> > widows and geeky anti-social males who keep waiting for
> the
> > return of Art Bell :)
>
> I will sometimes listen to classical radio stations trying
> to drift off to sleep at night, but I certainly don't listen
> to the same things that I do during the day.
>
> Art Bell fans are a freak fest. I had one call the station





WOW
> convinced that the beep-beep-beep that was being overlaid
> onto the show until I drove in and rebooted was aliens
> trying to communicate with him and not the automation
> switcher hanging up and mixing the Mutual/NBC news channel
> (which would beep between newscasts) and the Premiere
> receiver together.
>
 
Oh, the biggest frog in the drying-up pond

> Is that why the number one station in many major markets is
> an AM?
>

Being number one in an ever-shrinking pool of listeners? BFD. That's like being the number one internet dialup service - whoops, people don't dial up the internet anymore!

And by the way, figure in noncommercial NPR listeners and those number one AM stations suddenly don't rank so high, now, do they?

Of course, the ratings that are always quoted conveniently leave NPR out.

The intellegent audience deserted AM long ago. And listeners are deserting commercial FM as well. TSL is plummeting. CDs, sat radio, podcasts and IPODs are making TSL drop like a rock.

Commercial radio is dying... killed by corporate programming. RIP.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by zumahans1 on 07/13/05 03:32 PM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: The frog is healthy.

>
> Being number one in an ever-shrinking pool of listeners?
> BFD. That's like being the number one internet dialup
> service - whoops, people don't dial up the internet anymore!

Radio cume is essentially flat over decades. There is no cume shrinkage. In larger markets, like LA, even the AQH listening levels, adjusted for population growth, is stable over the 3 1/2 years since satellite debuted and during which time the iPod was introduced.

The average listener in 1952 listened for just under 21 hours. Today, after TV, cassettes, video games, the web, iPods and such is in the 19 hour range.
>
> And by the way, figure in noncommercial NPR listeners and
> those number one AM stations suddenly don't rank so high,
> now, do they?

Yes, the do. While non commercial stations are not in the printed report and the trends, they are in the calculations and in the electronic software. All you have to do is add the shares of the commercial stations and the difference between that and 100% consists of 1) non-coms, 2) unidentifiable listening and, 3) below cutoff stations that do not meet MRS.
>
> Of course, the ratings that are always quoted conveniently
> leave NPR out.

This is because Arbitron is a sales tool more than anything else. The listening is measured and reported in the Maximiser data.
>
> The intellegent audience deserted AM long ago. And listeners
> are deserting commercial FM as well. TSL is plummeting. CDs,
> sat radio, podcasts and IPODs are making TSL drop like a
> rock.

TSL is declining, but not plumeting. I gave an example of a market that has had zero erosion since satellite debuted.
>
> Commercial radio is dying... killed by corporate
> programming. RIP.

While general market radio in many instances may have concerns, it is not dying. There is no data to support that conclusion... none at all. There are also segments, such as uban and Hispanic radio that have very high usage and considerable revenue growth.
 
Closed circuit for Lenny:

Dude, I hate IBOC as much as the next guy,
but lumping KOY in with your examples of
AMs with wide-ranging nighttime service?

Your list is mostly 50-gallon 1-As and 1-Bs,
and KOY Phoenix is on 1230. You do know
what 1230 (and 1240, 1340, etc.) is, right?

While KRIZ on 1230 years ago may have pumped
out more oomph that any other class IVs, PHX
was a much smaller metro then. Nowadays the
nighttime signal from 2345 West Buckeye Road
can't even get to Ahwatukee without tearing
and other assorted interference.
 
Re: Oh, the biggest frog in the drying-up pond

> > Is that why the number one station in many major markets
> is
> > an AM?
> >
>
> Being number one in an ever-shrinking pool of listeners?
> BFD. That's like being the number one internet dialup
> service - whoops, people don't dial up the internet anymore!
>
>
> And by the way, figure in noncommercial NPR listeners and
> those number one AM stations suddenly don't rank so high,
> now, do they?
>
> Of course, the ratings that are always quoted conveniently
> leave NPR out.
>
> The intellegent audience deserted AM long ago. And listeners
> are deserting commercial FM as well. TSL is plummeting. CDs,
> sat radio, podcasts and IPODs are making TSL drop like a
> rock.
>
> Commercial radio is dying... killed by corporate
> programming. RIP.
>

Sorry but your post is way of the mark. And no offense but shows how little you really know about radio. Better do a little research.
 
> Dude, I hate IBOC as much as the next guy,
> but lumping KOY in with your examples of
> AMs with wide-ranging nighttime service?
>
> Your list is mostly 50-gallon 1-As and 1-Bs,
> and KOY Phoenix is on 1230. You do know
> what 1230 (and 1240, 1340, etc.) is, right?

Perhaps he was thinking (wistfully?) of a time when KOY was on a clear frequency.
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> Perhaps he was thinking (wistfully?) of a time when KOY was
> on a clear frequency.

I have to catch myself from typing a 55 before KOY. It's ingrained.

Of course, I still think of the 1230 in Phoenix as KRIZ and I used to program it several call changes after that. <P ID="signature">______________
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> > Perhaps he was thinking (wistfully?) of a time when KOY
> was
> > on a clear frequency.
>
> I have to catch myself from typing a 55 before KOY. It's
> ingrained.
>
> Of course, I still think of the 1230 in Phoenix as KRIZ and
> I used to program it several call changes after that.
>

I used to occasionally listen to KOY from San Diego, CA, when KOY was on 550. I'd get adjacent-channel interference from a local on 540 and co-channel from KUZZ Bakersfield on 550, though.
 
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> That guy is delusional: he actually thinks people listen to
> AM radio at night!

Im a proud KB nightime nutjob...fifteen twenty, double you kaye be doubleyou!
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AOL IM: wnjoldies or jamminoldies105
CBS-FM lives at http://67.83.115.5:8010
Oldies Board co-moderator</P>
 
Re: The frog is healthy.

> While general market radio in many instances may have
> concerns, it is not dying. There is no data to support that
> conclusion... none at all. There are also segments, such as
> uban and Hispanic radio that have very high usage and
> considerable revenue growth.

Thats because urban and Hispanic stations tend to be very community oriented and still have creative programming.
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AOL IM: wnjoldies or jamminoldies105
CBS-FM lives at http://67.83.115.5:8010
Oldies Board co-moderator</P>
 
Re: The frog is healthy.

> > While general market radio in many instances may have
> > concerns, it is not dying. There is no data to support
> that
> > conclusion... none at all. There are also segments, such
> as
> > uban and Hispanic radio that have very high usage and
> > considerable revenue growth.
>
> Thats because urban and Hispanic stations tend to be very
> community oriented and still have creative programming.

Bingo. While most Hispanic stations are not, these days, non-stop PSA's, they are generally live and local and don't generally use voice tracking and have greater listener involvement. Most of them do extensive research to find out what listeners want, too. Urban stations are, similarly, mostly live and have strong contact with their communities.
 
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