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LinoNYC
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Typical, self-serving ghetto jive.
A couple of days ago there was a small rally outside 30Rock, among the speakers was 'ol Hazel Dukes. A reporter asked her if she was going to do anything about the vicious "lyrics" endemic to rap, she exploded with the righteousness of a sunday-goto-meetin' preacher declaring "war" on this sort of "music".
You and I both know that nothing will come of this. Its simply too dangerous. Al Sharpton is certainly aware of the long and deep connections rap has to drug gangs. He won't risk having his chair go empty at the next Al Smith Dinner.
Jesse Jackson need only ask his half-brother in the El rukns gang should he need some schoolin' in this area.
No, the safest targets are the "old ass white men" .
Lino
Typical, self-serving ghetto jive.
A couple of days ago there was a small rally outside 30Rock, among the speakers was 'ol Hazel Dukes. A reporter asked her if she was going to do anything about the vicious "lyrics" endemic to rap, she exploded with the righteousness of a sunday-goto-meetin' preacher declaring "war" on this sort of "music".
You and I both know that nothing will come of this. Its simply too dangerous. Al Sharpton is certainly aware of the long and deep connections rap has to drug gangs. He won't risk having his chair go empty at the next Al Smith Dinner.
Jesse Jackson need only ask his half-brother in the El rukns gang should he need some schoolin' in this area.
No, the safest targets are the "old ass white men" .
Lino
Now let's ask Uncle Kracker for his opinion?
Re: Why the racist comments
I am black and you have a great point. Rap music is just as bad. Many of you work in radio where there are very narrow play lists on popular music stations. What can be done to get other types of music on the radio. There is a format Neo Soul that gets very very very little airplay, but features positive music.
The problem with Rap is that White kids listen to it as much as Black kids. More White Kids buy rap than everyone else. So at the end of the day Rap wont go away because it makes the record companies $$$$$.
To get to that point nobody here has to be racist.
I am black and you have a great point. Rap music is just as bad. Many of you work in radio where there are very narrow play lists on popular music stations. What can be done to get other types of music on the radio. There is a format Neo Soul that gets very very very little airplay, but features positive music.
The problem with Rap is that White kids listen to it as much as Black kids. More White Kids buy rap than everyone else. So at the end of the day Rap wont go away because it makes the record companies $$$$$.
To get to that point nobody here has to be racist.
Why hasn't Sharpton and Jackson stopped Snoop Dogg, L.L. Cool J., Ludacris, Eminem, the list goes on and on, from singing ugly and very hurtful remarks about women? Why don't they go after them? If they signal out just Don Imus, why don't they stop the comedians like Chris Rock, etc., for saying the "N" word constantly and often as well as the rappers who do the same thing as well.
In other words, Sharpton and Jackson are 1st class HYPOCRITES. I bet if the truth was known that Sharpton and Jackson listen to this garbage on a regular basis.
In other words, Sharpton and Jackson are 1st class HYPOCRITES. I bet if the truth was known that Sharpton and Jackson listen to this garbage on a regular basis.
What a bunch of crap. First off, Snoop does have a point. There is a difference between him using the disrespectful language and Imus. Snoop has lived the life, Imus has simply made a career of making racist comments. That is not to say I approve of the disrespectful, violent, racist lyrics of some rap, but there is a difference. Regarding Sharpton and Jackson, they most certainly have often criticized such music, but they have no more power to tell rapers what to say than all the people venting here. But I want to make one thing clear---the conversation of the last few days makes it seem as if all rap music is disrespectful to women. That is far from the truth--much of it has just the opposite sentiment. People who carry on about how horrible rap is really don't know much about it.
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Johnny Morgan
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What does that mean, "lived the life"? What life? Life of what?
And, I see once again, as I was told in a different forum, that "context" is important here. Thus, it so appears that the words themselves are not a problem (which means that the Rutgers' coach was lying), but who was saying it.
Which, instead, proves that there is a double standard. Or, to be more succint, separate languages for the two races.
Hurtful language is hurtful language no matter who says it.
I don't buy this whole "we're taking it back" argument that I have heard for so long.
It's the same as people using the "N" word, I don't care who says it, it's disgusting, vile and it shouldn't be ok for some to utter it and not ok for others.
Lame, lame lame excuse Snoop Dogg!!!!
I don't buy this whole "we're taking it back" argument that I have heard for so long.
It's the same as people using the "N" word, I don't care who says it, it's disgusting, vile and it shouldn't be ok for some to utter it and not ok for others.
Lame, lame lame excuse Snoop Dogg!!!!
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TowerBuzz
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Braves2005 said:
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ENOUGH WITH THE FALSE PARALLELS BETWEEN IMUS AND RAP, it's truly clutching at straws. To begin with Sharpton has gone after rap artists in trying to get them to curtail certain language, as a matter of fact and im shocked the media is not reporting this but just a few days before the Imus incident Sharpton was rallying against certain "gangsta rappers" ad had brokered a peace between two beefing rappers because he feared what happened in the B.i.G/ Tupac days could happen again.
The problem is that Sharpton is a lightening rod for the white community and this situation has brought a lot of people's "inner bigot" to the surface. Many whites in the NYC area had such disdain for Sharpton that they allow his presence to obscure the real issue, IMUS and what he said.
How exactly would Sharpton, Jackson or anyone "go after" rappers?....... Soem rappers use whatever language that some may find objectionable but it is a provate enterprise, not over the public ariwaves meaning if you dont like certain artists using the words Ho's or "bitches" or what have you then you dont buy their records. The control is yours. And for all who conveniently fly the "free speech" flag, well WALT MARt for the longest time would not STOCK "GANGSTA RAP" and when they did start they only sold and only sel the sanitized versions of the cd's, the wal mart edits which in some cases are even more 'sanitized than the typical, already edited versions that carry the parental advisroy sticker that have been edited for content, tha you can buy for the whole family blah blah. So in the case of the rap game it's private enterprise and not the public domain, you dont like it you dont have to buy it. Im not one who buys into the " these are the public airwaves" argument because corproate interest have controlled the so called "public" airwaves for a long time, they have not been "public" for decades. BUT the false anaolgy of gangst rap that keeps being thrown around, well this is the answer. Anyone who brings up "well what about the rappers"? which is essentially saying " How come they can say Ho's and we cant",....well that is the height of tunnel vision and being mis informed. But Ill play: Here it is, YOU CaN SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT, ON AIR OR OTHERWISE......BUT you have to be ready to deal with the consequences of your "free speech".
In truth Imus has actually said worse down through the years, behind the scenes he's been known to utter the "N" word and other derogatory words for certain groups, whatever. That is behind the scenes but again the second he puts it on the so called "public airwaves" there are consequences. Stop whining about it, Imus did not get to where he is today by accident, he's been given a pass many times. Now when people bring up "he's a shockk jock, that's what he does" well he hasnt been a "shock jock" for quite some time, maybe he still retains a little of that bbut for the past ten to fifteen yyears at least he's been trying to be Tim Russert on radio.....so sorry, you're no longer a shock jock in that case. Anyway you look at it, he blew it, HE BLEW IT. NOt Al Sharpton, not JEsse Jackson, and in truth while everyone focuses on Sharpton and Jackson's involvement, THEY WERE NOT EVEN THE ONES WHO FIRST BROUGHT IT TO THE PUBLIC ATTENTION: IT WAS THESE FRICKEN BLOGGERS!, bloggers ran with the story! and anyone who knows anything should know that in the blogosphere the second you F up, it's posted all over the world.
...dunno if this will further "clarify" things or muddy then back up, but I just recalled that Whoopi Goldberg's production company that co-produced the 1998 revival of "Hollywood Squares" was called One Ho Productions, the graphic being a Hirschfeld charicature of Ms. Goldberg herself...
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MarcR
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You and I both know that nothing will come of this. Its simply too dangerous. Al Sharpton is certainly aware of the long and deep connections rap has to drug gangs. He won't risk having his chair go empty at the next Al Smith Dinner.
That's exactly what the commercial hip hop "community" is, a ruthlessly violent criminal organization awash in drug money. That probably explains why urban police departments like the NYPD have units devoted to collecting intelligence on the happenings inside that purported community.
That's exactly what the commercial hip hop "community" is, a ruthlessly violent criminal organization awash in drug money. That probably explains why urban police departments like the NYPD have units devoted to collecting intelligence on the happenings inside that purported community.
Imus deserved to be fired.. don't bring a genre of music in this... what about ROCK music that has hate lyrics.. it's out there
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MarcR
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tigermichal said:
You know, I almost think that some of the chieftains inside the rap world wished the Imus incident would just go away since it's drawn about as much attention to the content of the vile trash they put out as it has to an old bigoted white guy.
Why not? It's not fair for Al Sharpton and others to put the heat on Imus when rap and hip hop are spewing out the same racist and sexist crap.
And BTW, urban music is much worst than rock.
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LinoNYC
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Re: Why the racist comments
That may have been true for a period ending about three years ago, and mostly concerning the white kids in isolated suburbs, here in the city it was never that popular. If you go into the sort of bars and restaurants that cater to late 'teens and up, rarely hear anything resembling rap/hip-hop. If your selling music via jukeboxes, it's a no-go.
The "white kids buy most rap" has allways been flawed. While it may be that the bulk of the recorded sales of rap take place in white areas, much of the recordings sold in the black community are bootleg copies sold in subways and streetcorners.
With the proliferation of filesharing and CD burners, none of retail sales reports are all that accurate anymore.
Rap as a genre is doing a slow fade, the now year-long downward trend of the two urban stations (wqht and wpwr) confirms this and it has virtually disappeared from the white youth.
Lino
jkb said:
That may have been true for a period ending about three years ago, and mostly concerning the white kids in isolated suburbs, here in the city it was never that popular. If you go into the sort of bars and restaurants that cater to late 'teens and up, rarely hear anything resembling rap/hip-hop. If your selling music via jukeboxes, it's a no-go.
The "white kids buy most rap" has allways been flawed. While it may be that the bulk of the recorded sales of rap take place in white areas, much of the recordings sold in the black community are bootleg copies sold in subways and streetcorners.
With the proliferation of filesharing and CD burners, none of retail sales reports are all that accurate anymore.
Rap as a genre is doing a slow fade, the now year-long downward trend of the two urban stations (wqht and wpwr) confirms this and it has virtually disappeared from the white youth.
Lino
sfradio said:
You're right. But it's safe to say a large majority of rap and hip hop often blurts out racist and sexist remarks.
It's time to clean up rap and hip hop music.
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Anyacat
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If Whoopie Goldberg wants to refer to herself as a "ho," she may.
As Snoop Dogg noted, the Black community has the right to refer to itself in anyway it chooses.
This does not confer upon a white person the right to use words in either a mean-spirited or fun loving way. You will be judged a racist regardless of your motives or the context. That's it. End of story. White people are automatically considered to be racists until they are judged otherwise. A white person is less of a person by his/her very whiteness and while your financial support is always welcome a any event, please make yourself and your honkey views scarce when major issues such as What Don Imus Said are discussed. In fact, you are a racist if you even question this and I will be called a racist for writing it.
Under no circumstances are you to attempt to remove from the African-American community the cloak of victimhood. The same community that lionizes the hip-hop industry, which pumps out the most vicious stereotypes of African-Americans, have demanded and received the firing of Don Imus. As if by removing Imus, we have cured racism in our time.
As Snoop Dogg noted, the Black community has the right to refer to itself in anyway it chooses.
This does not confer upon a white person the right to use words in either a mean-spirited or fun loving way. You will be judged a racist regardless of your motives or the context. That's it. End of story. White people are automatically considered to be racists until they are judged otherwise. A white person is less of a person by his/her very whiteness and while your financial support is always welcome a any event, please make yourself and your honkey views scarce when major issues such as What Don Imus Said are discussed. In fact, you are a racist if you even question this and I will be called a racist for writing it.
Under no circumstances are you to attempt to remove from the African-American community the cloak of victimhood. The same community that lionizes the hip-hop industry, which pumps out the most vicious stereotypes of African-Americans, have demanded and received the firing of Don Imus. As if by removing Imus, we have cured racism in our time.
Anyacat said:
You all don't get it!! It's not that he called them HO'S that's beside the point... that's terrible, BUT he called them "JiggaBoos", "NappyHeaded" and acted like it was funny... how sick... and people still want to listen to this racist it's puzzles me
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