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Songs heard on South Florida Radio will never be heard again.

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Groove1670

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I was thinking of songs were played on FM radio back in the day. Songs we won't hear again.

Pac Jam
Space Cowboy
Nyteflyte - If You Want It
Rita Marley - One Draw
La Flavour - Mandolay
Dino - Summergirls


Stuart - chime in on some of those song that were I95, 96X or Y100.
 
Not to veer totally OT, and I am sure that the thread is meant for songs *exclusive* to SoFlo (like Dr. Beat), but I wanna ask, now that this is kinda brought up:

What was the deal with all the top 40s here playing "I Do Love You" by Billy Stewart (from 1965) well into the early 80s? It only reached #25 on Billboard. Was Billy from South Florida? Why didn't they play his "Summertime," a top 10 hit? Any story behind this?

To the mix, I'll add "Superman" by Celi Bee & the Buzzy Bunch, although it just missed top 40 on Billboard (#41).

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Wow cd, your comment brought back a lot of memories, Billy Stewarts "I Do Love You" although it may have placed not so well on the charts it was always a constant recurrent when I was at WMYQ, Jerry Clifton and Lee Logan liked it, that's all that mattered I suppose. However, That's one good oldie you just don't hear anymore, the songs 3 sec intro sounded really cool coming off of a 100KW with JBL studio monitors.

Celi Bee and the Buzzy Bunch I started to laugh when I read that, I sure had my share of request for it, sorta like Melonie's Brand New Key Telephone man or Alan O'Day's Undercover Angel and the list go's on and on. And yes Stewart E. would know....
 
G.Q. - I do love you was big in South Florida in 1979 on Y100.
 
musiconradio.com said:
I was thinking of songs were played on FM radio back in the day. Songs we won't hear again.

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Dino - Summergirls

This song was played in the motion picture Ladybugs.
 
Y-100 of the early 80s just did their own thing regardless of what Billboard listed as the biggest hits. Still, it all worked didn't it? How's this for a jog of the old memory. AT40 chart position included if available. Mama Used To Say (30)- Junior, Double Dutch Bus (30) - Frankie Smith, Genius of Love (31) - Tom Tom Club. The Gap Band was very hot in S Fla. Burn Rubber must have been an album cut or it just didn't make the AT 40. Even with all the high-energy stuff, I recall DeBarge and "All this Love" playing all over S Fla long before it went national where it just hit #17.

But probably the best example of going out on your own regardless of what anyone else was doing when Y-100 took a chance on a "A Night To Remember" by Shalamar. Never making the AT40 charts - it was #1 on the old Y as I recall for 4 weeks. My Lord, how I miss those days and I will be the first to admit - A Night to Remember is still among my favs from the 80s.
 
So as not to go OT, I am starting a similar but separate thread. JohnJax reminded me of something.

cd
 
I Do Love You was a monster back then and it still is a major player today. It is one of those songs that just stands the test of time regardless of the age of the person listening to it. It was so strong that you could have called it a "Wedding National Anthem" everyone and their brother played it. The thing about South Florida is that what you'd find as national hits (ie: Billboard, All Access, FMQB, etc.) doesn't mean that it will do well here...and vise versa. I don't believe that there is any single way to pin-point why, it just is. There are markets that reflect similar tastes but nothing mirrors exact.

There are a number of songs that have filtered through South Florida that stations down here who have the capability to play because of format but don't. South Florida produced "Home Grown" music and you don't hear it or seldom...rarely do. TK Records out of Hialeah was a launching pad for so many artists.

Some of my favorites through the years that live on in my ipod:

T-Connection: Do Whatcha Wanna Do
Calhoon: (Do You Wanna)Dance, Dance, Dance
Herman Kelly & Life: Dance To The Drummers Beat
Bloodrock: D.O.A.
Meri Wilson-Telephone Man
Sylvesters-Hot Line, Boogie Fever
C.W. McCall-Convoy
Peter Brown: Do Ya Wanna Get Funky With Me, Fantasy Love Affair
B.T. Express: Do It Till Your Satisfied
Richie Family: Best Disco In Town
M.F.S.B.: T.S.O.P.
Rose Royce-I Wanna Get Next To You
Earth, Wind & Fire: Reasons (the live version on Gratitiude)
Carol Douglas: Doctors Orders
The Miracles: Love Machine, Do It Baby
Eddie Kendricks: Keep On Truckin'


I could go on and on, but one thing is clear-There are numerous songs out there. I've said it many a time...No station wants to be the one to do their own thing. It's tough when most of the stations are owned by a few large groups (ie: Clear Channel, Beasley, Cox, Lincoln Financial..) and Consultants who live in Oblivia tell the stations what they should play. There are some former South Florida Radio people who consult locally, but even then, they're part of that consultant mold who have a limited target.

Most stations have a small music library that they play on air. 200-300 songs and that may be generous. Compare that to the thousands and thousands of songs that don't play because someone behind a desk speaks for the listener.

Sometimes you just have to push the standard songs aside and grow a set...expand the music horizon. It doesn't have to be all the time as that would defeat the purpose but just enough when you're listening to a station and someone says "Station blah, blah, blah plays my favorite songs" they really mean it-it's not just an in house employee reading a liner for the production guy.

I'm stepping off my soapbox now.
 
Stormychuck said:
Celi Bee and the Buzzy Bunch I started to laugh when I read that, I sure had my share of request for it, sorta like Melonie's Brand New Key Telephone man or Alan O'Day's Undercover Angel and the list go's on and on.

Celi Bee, alias Celinés, was a pop singer from Puerto Rico and had made quite a few local hits, as well as appearing in local TV shows. The crossover to English was an example of the sort of thing Miami radio could do due to its Latin influence, climate, geography and relative isolation. I can recall when Miami Sound Machine was our free remote band...
 
Personally I think you guys are overlooking the changes that have occurred over the years with regards to the radio landscape in South Florida.
Everyone here keeps mentioning the legendary Top 40 stations Miami was once known for, but seem to overlook why Y-100 sounds much more in sync with the rest of the country today compared to the 70s and 80s. I don't think it's b/c they're owned by CC as much as the fact that radio started to change in Miami in the mid 80s, as did the overall makeup of the market demo-wise.
By the mid 80s Dade County was 40 percent Hispanic and 20 percent black. Bill Tanner realized the 18-34 year old audience, which was already 50 percent Hispanic at the time, was somewhat underserved and so he was brought in from Washington to launch Hot 105. While Y-100 and I-95 were great CHR/Pop stations that were able to get away with playing all the hits (and were Dance friendly) that all changed once Hot 105 came on the scene in the mid 80s with a format exclusively dedicated to Dance and Rhythmic hits. Hot was tailor made for Miami and came on the scene at the right time. Just as Z-100 New York was largely modeled after the early 80s sound of Y-100, Hot 97 NYC and Power 106 L.A. were largely influenced by Hot 105. Rhythm 98 also tried out a Rhythmic CHR format, albeit with a much smaller signal. Not long afterwards I-95 tried going in an Adult CHR direction before ditching the format altogether. One year later, after Tanner was fired from Hot, he quickly resurfaced at 96 X, changing it from a jukebox Top 40 to a high energy Top 40/Dance outlet. Miami Bass, Freestyle, adult Friendly Dance/Pop, Euro-Dance and some of the biggest hits in the country were heavily supported on this Hispanic-targeted CHR known as Power 96.Stations around the country were taking note, as did Y-100 which was able to cherrypick the biggest hits from Power 96 onto its playlists.
By the late 80s Y-100 was programmed by out of town guys who were brilliant in other markets but didn't really understand how unique Miami was. To me personally Y-100 sounded great at this time (as did Hot 105's attempt at CHR/Pop in 1988) but Power 96 was THE Top 40 station that really grasped what made Miami tick.
Urban outlet 99 Jams (Starforce radio) increased their power significantly, Hot 105 became a successful Rhythmic CHR by the late 80s, and the number of Spanish-music stations continued to grow on the FM dial (there were already quite a few of them on AM). All of this was taking its toll on Y-100's cume and ratings, as did the fact that the national charts were big on youth-friendly Hard Rock, Rap, and Dance music. Those records sounded great to me, but not necessarily to the typical CHR/Pop listener who grew up in the 80s with Top 40 stations playing lots of middle of the road Pop hits.
By 1990 Y-100 decided to go Adult CHR, and at first it was a VERY watered down version of Adult CHR that sounded more like 94 KTI Milwaukee than what an Adult CHR should sound like for South Florida. A year later the station's sound loosened up somewhat, and for the next 6 years or so Y-100 stayed with an adult leaning CHR/Pop format. Unlike other Adult CHRs it was receptive to Dance music, and was among the first CHRs in the country to play the remixed version of Everything But The Girl's "Missing".
All throughout the 90s Power 96 continued with its unique music mix, and sounded quite differently from most of the country's Rhythmic CHRs of the time. It was very influential in breaking out Dance hits, along with B-96 Chicago.
And these days? Power 96 was the station that broke Flo Rida's "Low" a couple of years back, and still takes chances on some records like Gyptian's "Hold Yuh" (which is starting to gain traction across the country on Rhythmic radio, and a few CHRs).
Y-100 is definitely not the unique CHR/Pop it once was, but it is comforting to see it post some good numbers with a true blue CHR/Pop format that plays all the big national Pop hits and more.
 
"Most stations have a small music library that they play on air. 200-300 songs and that may be generous. Compare that to the thousands and thousands of songs that don't play because someone behind a desk speaks for the listener"


The playlist for a CHR should actually be a LOT smaller than 200-300 songs. There are only so many minutes in an hour, hours in a day. When you figure that the powers typically rotating every 90-100 min, subpowers in the 2.5 to 3.5 hr range, various categories of recurrents as often as 5-15 hours, that probably leaves 2 or 3 slots per hour for either newer music or oldies. But I don't see anything wrong with that since CHR is all about playing only the best of everything in a fast rotation as determined (hopefully) by some kind of research and not just by one person behind a desk.
 
Chrles pretty much set us straight, and he's right too, I'm glad he said it, with the influx of latins in the 80's via boat lifts and other modes of water transportation it was all down hill for Miami radio, or otherwise know as "MIAMI" the Phantom Market. In the mid-80's it was dog eat dog, everybody who was everybody Miami radio stations were fighting over what little number scraps they could get and thus Miami radio became very diverse and a very hard market to program to as it had changed almost over night. Miami is still dog eat dog for numbers so I hear.

Being old radio I have to laugh sometimes, early to mid 70's WMYQ as an example had numbers that one would only dream about, and with the advent of Cecil Heftel's Y-100 and giving away two $50.000 dollar checks in a two week period, Cecil, the money machine, Heftel freaked out about that, and was not a happy camper, but that's what originally put Y-100 on the map and Y-100 numbers unlike WMYQ were astronomical, WMYQ got spanked and had a slow spiral in there after. By the way, some useless information, Mrs. Jack Bray was Y-100's first $50.000 dollar winner, followed Mrs. John London should you be wondering.

Correct me if I'm wrong but if some Miami (anglo) stations got a 1.5, regardless of cume's, that would be a real treat wouldn't it? Out comes the champagne and they'd be celebrating for a week. Please keep this in mind, disclaimer, the aforementioned is not intended to be racial.
it's sole purpose is for educational use only no puns intended.
 
CHRles said:
By the mid 80s Dade County was 40 percent Hispanic and 20 percent black.

But in 1981 we voted to make Dade and Broward a single market; the effect was to reduce the overall Hispanic population of the "Miami Market" compared to the 70's.

Bill Tanner realized the 18-34 year old audience, which was already 50 percent Hispanic at the time, was somewhat underserved and so he was brought in from Washington to launch Hot 105.

Tanner returned to Miami; he took over Y 100 for Cecil in the mid-70's and built it into the huge station it would remain for a long time. Y-100, with "Tanner en la mañana" jingles was very sensitive to the Cuban population and moreso to their influence on the music, club scene, etc.

Hot was tailor made for Miami and came on the scene at the right time. Just as Z-100 New York was largely modeled after the early 80s sound of Y-100, Hot 97 NYC and Power 106 L.A. were largely influenced by Hot 105.

Tanner and Coleen "left" Hot (AH Keyword: Goldmark) even before the good ratings arrived.

I think the station you really mean to reference is Power 96, which followed dance into hiphop, and was very Latin sensitive.

Miami Bass, Freestyle, adult Friendly Dance/Pop, Euro-Dance and some of the biggest hits in the country were heavily supported on this Hispanic-targeted CHR known as Power 96.

And that is the station Tanner built to prominence and continues to consult.

Y-100 is definitely not the unique CHR/Pop it once was, but it is comforting to see it post some good numbers with a true blue CHR/Pop format that plays all the big national Pop hits and more.

I think you will find that radio, in English and Spanish, over the last 35 years, has been more influenced by Tanner and the folks who have learned from him than anyone else... I can not think of a mainland market more influenced by a single person for so long, and in two langauges, too.
 
Stormychuck said:
Chrles pretty much set us straight, and he's right too, I'm glad he said it, with the influx of latins in the 80's via boat lifts and other modes of water transportation it was all down hill for Miami radio, or otherwise know as "MIAMI" the Phantom Market. In the mid-80's it was dog eat dog, everybody who was everybody Miami radio stations were fighting over what little number scraps they could get and thus Miami radio became very diverse and a very hard market to program to as it had changed almost over night.

What you describe is actually the mid 70's into about 1981. When Dade and Broward became a single market, stations in Spanish like WQBA, WQBA-FM, WHTT and WRHC and WCMQ FM lost nearly half their shares, while some English language ones, like WLYF and WIOD nearly doubled.

After Mariel, there was no major influx of Cubans, but by the early 90s migration by Puerto Ricans and immigration from Colombia, the DR, etc. put high growth on the Latin Market, but never did we see the runaway double digit shares of a WQBA in the 70's or WFAB in the mid to late 60's.
 
Stormychuck said:
DavidEduardo, and what happened to Freddy Cruz at Hot 105?

I don't know... he was my night jock at WHTT in 1981!
 
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