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STILL think "Talk Radio" means you-talk-they-listen?

musichead1029 said:
Goat Rodeo Cowboy said:
...Some of the rest of us are asking the questions: Will this remain viable? Does it serve any viable need in society, or is it popular because it is currently the ONLY game in town.

It's popular because of the content - whether it's a web TV forum like Ustream where people chat alongside the show with each other and the host occasionally acknowledges the chat room or a satellite link to a cable system or C-SPAN's daily call in show with all political stripes represented. Leo Laporte hosts his weekend tech shows on audio, video and chat channels simultaneously. The format is identical to any good radio talk show with the addition of the real-time chatroom input.

The forum is always going to be secondary to the content - first and foremost the host and his topics.

First, I want to thank you and to congratulate you for responding... BRILLIANTLY! My post was wide open for any kind of a retort and there are so many people who would have come back with guns blazing. And what you did for a reply is what I wish we could see more talk show hosts do: respond with brilliance rather than the same old party line. THANK YOU.

I size you up as a very practical person. You have the mindset.... not of an arm-chair coach... but the thought process of a person that would be used by a person on-the-firing-line.... a person trying to keep a radio station viable TODAY.

I have the luxury of sitting in the grandstands. While you are focused in keeping the game currently on the field in action, I'm sitting up here chatting with my friend and saying: The coach is playing his key players more than he needs to when he should be giving the underclassmen some playing time. These underclassmen are not going to be ready to "save the coach's bacon" next year if he doesn't give them some playing time!

My basic premise in a lot of my conversations is: Radio doesn't seem to have a clue on positioning itself for future seasons.

FINAL THOUGHT: We had a multi-segment reply going. I chose this one segment of your reply to quote because you "photo-shopped" the whole conversation with this word picture:

The problem with the traditional Host-Takes-Calls format is that only one phone call at a time can be taken, and even with screening you don't know where the phone call is going until it is too late. (See thought bubble over head of host: "Damn, this is one call we SHOULD NOT have taken!") In these shows where Tweets and e-mails and maybe an on-line forum are all taking place at once, the high percentage of bone-headed-callers does not capsize the show. I don't know that you are promoting that as a desired format, but thank you for describing it. I think it has a lot of potential. I also think it will require a different kind of host than the folks who are currently on top of the heap in Talk Radio.
 
TheBigA said:
musichead1029 said:
Content rules. The forum is secondary. Pros create more compelling content than callers. Hence, the professional host will be the focus of successful talk shows for the foreseeable future, the nature of the delivery technology notwithstanding.
We have several threads in this section where the general consensus is that the current crop of talks host have peaked. And we've also noted how talk radio tends to appeal to an older demographic. So that leads me to believe that talk radio as we know it needs to reinvent itself for a younger, more interactive generation.
I think talk radio needs to discover what content mix attracts a younger demographic, but I don't think that interactivity is what's missing. The basic dynamics of talk are sound (no pun intended, I think), independent of the audience or type of topics presented. I don't think real-time audience control of the primary media channel is desirable. On-demand audience interaction via social media and chat rooms associated with the main media channel may enhance the experience for some consumers, but more importantly, it doesn't detract from the main channel host-driven content.

As I mentioned earlier, this multimedia approach is used by Leo Laporte on his tech show. But political talkers also make use of their web sites, through dedicated forums, news sites (like Townhall.com) and links to social media, often behind premium paywalls (Rush Limbaugh and Hugh Hewitt are examples). The interaction networks are supplemental to the main media channel. Though technology will continue to make interraction easier, is it desirable? Will it enhance the media experience for young consumers? I don't believe so. (Maybe you guys have discussed this in other threads.)

Where are we at now? The 'hot' flavor of talk attempts to relate to younger media consumers by emphasizing frat-boy/edgy lifestyle chat with less reliance on heavy topics like politics. This is probably as good an approach as any, but hot talk hasn't yet found a content mix that works consistently. CBS and other affiliates have certainly tried in the wake of Howard Stern's departure from terrestrial radio. (It's worth noting that Howard didn't work everywhere he was syndicated either, though he was successful in most of his markets, remarkably so in many. I find it hard to believe that Howard is 'one of a kind', but there has yet to appear an heir to Stern's audience. Such individuals likely exist, but they may not see radio as a desirable industry in which to invest a career. Who could blame them?)

Political-driven talk radio, currently the most popular strain of the talk format, is always going to primarily attract an older demographic. (If younger-aimed talk formats are successful, some of those listeners could graduate to political talk later in life.) There are up and coming hosts who will step into the shoes of Limbaugh and Savage when they retire. Bob Grant, still doing a weekly show at 83, God bless him, is often considered one of the fathers of modern attitude-driven issues talk. And he had to operate under the constraints of the 'Fairness' Doctrine for much of his career, yet he still was able to present a dynamic show based on his personality and the strength of his topic selections. Limbaugh and Hannity have cited Grant as one of their influences. There will be successors to the current crop of talkers given the profitability of the format. Some of the successors will have to find their own way into the industry however, seeing as most radio operators don't appear to be cultivating much of a farm team beyond music voice-trackers.

And as you point out, some callers are dull. That's why some shows use phone screeners. That's why Premiere offers professional callers.
Premiere says it uses rent-a-callers only on morning zoo shows, not issue driven programs. Only remarkably weak hosts would need scripted callers to prop them up. I won't say it's never been done, but I can't imagine Premiere's stable of top-tier talkers would have any need for artificial callers.

I'm not saying a call-in show is better than a good strong host. But we seem to have a shortage of good strong hosts who can do more besides lecture. The goal here is to eliminate the single talking head, and create something more interactive. A conversation is more compelling than a lecture. Ask any college kid.
Not on radio. Radio is a consumption medium, as is TV. Radio has survived in the wake of TV because you can do other things while listening. As with interaction, watching requires at least a partial immersion exclusive of other activities. But radio isn't interactive, nor do most people wish it to be. Call in radio provides a limited interaction which spices up the content. But it doesn''t change the basic dynamic: people listen to radio because they want to do just that. Listen. This applies to all age groups. It applies to webstreams. It even applies to file players. The content is downloaded and playlists are set up with one end in mind: to consume. Younger consumers may want more choices, and media can provide them. Some want an occasional talk back channel, and media can provide them. But the ultimate audience desire is to consume. And that's the capability that radio already offers.
 
musichead1029 said:
Younger consumers may want more choices, and media can provide them. Some want an occasional talk back channel, and media can provide them. But the ultimate audience desire is to consume. And that's the capability that radio already offers.

I'm not saying to do away with what's there. I'm saying there are lots of stations, many of which are getting 1 shares, and they can afford to take a little risk and do something different. NJ101.5 is doing a great job with two hosts interacting, lots of calls, changing topics frequently. Some of it political, but mostly about issues, not strictly party line. That's worth trying in other markets. But it will cost money and it takes creativity. Are there hosts looking to work that hard? Maybe. Most like the concept of "I talk, you listen." Who wouldn't? But that's being done already, so let's try something else. A younger Imus, with a cast of characters, voices, and parodies would be nice. There are lots of combinations. Don't be afraid.
 
I am curious to listen to programs, either local or national, that follow the more callers / less host model and are well-rated, particularly in 25-54. May we know a few of these so we may give them a listen?
 
ABQRADIO said:
I am curious to listen to programs, either local or national, that follow the more callers / less host model and are well-rated, particularly in 25-54. May we know a few of these so we may give them a listen?

Lotsa luck.
Talk Radio largely remains willing-to-comply-with the 5-share talking-head caricature.
 
ABQRADIO said:
I am curious to listen to programs, either local or national, that follow the more callers / less host model and are well-rated, particularly in 25-54. May we know a few of these so we may give them a listen?
Alan Colmes' show relies heavily on callers. Last time I tuned in, he was starting the show with callers, giving them the "first word."
 
^ other then financal advice, gardening tips and legal advice programs alan colmbs is the only show i can think of that .at least in syndication.

greg garrison does it locally here in indianapolis.
 
I stand by my original post regarding the blandness of our current talkradio landscape. Yes, PHLEGM DRECK is BBBBBBLLLLLAAAAANNNNNDDDD!!!!!!!!! But, crapola sells...
 
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