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Sun TV now on air in London and Ottawa

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Interestingly, it's only the digital signals that are on the air, no analog signals. CKXT-DT-2 in London and CKXT-DT-3 in Ottawa are broadcasting in high definition, as well as in standard definition on the DT2 subchannel. The data stream is a confusing, becuase the HD signal is IDed as CKXTDT2, but the physical channel data says the HD signal is on 19.1, at least for London.

It is the first digital OTA channel available in London, and I believe the third in Ottawa.
 
If I remember correctly, they are not allowed to solicit the London and Ottawa markets for ad revenue.

I understand the part about not seeing any ads for local businesses in Ottawa or London, but what does this really mean?

Less ads for local Toronto restaurants (etc) and more ads for places like Swiss Challet and the Keg? (places that operate in all three markets)

Are they forced to run ads for businesses that exist only in Toronto, or do they now begin to run more national advertising?
 
I don't think it changes anything with regards to the amount of local Toronto advertising. On the OMNI stations there is plenty of local advertising from Toronto, and I believe they have the same local advertising restrictions as CKXT. However I think with these transmitters there very well may be more national advertising.
 
My first experience with an LCD television at home just started about an hour ago. Before hooking up my new TV to my cable feed, I connected a medium-sized outdoor UHF/VHF antenna to the TV. The TV is in the basement, and so is the antenna (strung up on the ceiling in the basement).

After the TV did the channel scan, it told me there were 2 DTV channels. One of them was CKXTDT2, and did it ever come in clear. It is channel 19.1. There is also a channel 19.2, which is the same programming, but in 480i (4:3) which is (I guess) a conventional NTSC channel.

I'm posting this here because when a did a google search for "CKXTDT2", this thread was the only hit.

I would have thought that there would be more hi-def channels available in london, especially the local "A" channel, but it seems not.

Any idea where this Sun channel 19.1 and 19.2 is transmitting from? Is it a CBS affiliate (60 minutes is on right now).
 
sum-guy said:
After the TV did the channel scan, it told me there were 2 DTV channels. One of them was CKXTDT2, and did it ever come in clear. It is channel 19.1. There is also a channel 19.2, which is the same programming, but in 480i (4:3) which is (I guess) a conventional NTSC channel.
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A number of DTV stations here in the States are simulcasting a 480i 4:3 version on a second subchannel with the intent of cable systems delivering that signal to their analog customers.

I would have thought that there would be more hi-def channels available in london, especially the local "A" channel, but it seems not.
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Right now this is the only station that even has a permit to transmit a digital signal in London. The digital transition is off to a rather slow start in Canada.

Any idea where this Sun channel 19.1 and 19.2 is transmitting from? Is it a CBS affiliate (60 minutes is on right now).
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I don't know the geography of the area but the tower is at 42-57-20N/81-21-19W. It's shared with analog channels 14, 18, 20, 40, 53, and 69, the three CBC FM signals, and 97.5 CIQM-FM.

It's a relay of a Toronto station - it's NOT a CBS affiliate. (but of course most Canadian stations carry at least some U.S. programs and I'm sure Sun is no exception)
 
w9wi said:
It's a relay of a Toronto station - it's NOT a CBS affiliate. (but of course most Canadian stations carry at least some U.S. programs and I'm sure Sun is no exception)
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Here in Canada, we do not have the famous blue screen "This program can be found on channel..."

Instead we have the Sim Sub, which blocks out the American channel on cable and sattlelite when programming is at least 95% identical.

Also, Sun tv is the former Toronto 1 television station broadcasting out of Toronto Canada.

Toronto 1 was launched in 2003 by Craig media, a company out of Calgary Alberta.

Craig Media got out of the television business and later sold Toronto 1 to the *** group.
However, this meant that City tv and Toronto 1 were now in the same hands.

As this would be illegal, Toronto 1 was sold to Quebecor, (Owner of the Toronto Sun)

Quebecor then switched the name from Toronto 1 to Sun tv.

What Craig Media was thinking when they decided to tackle Toronto's City tv in the first place is anyone's guess.
 
w9wi said:
I don't know the geography of the area but the tower is at 42-57-20N/81-21-19W. It's shared with analog channels 14, 18, 20, 40, 53, and 69, the three CBC FM signals, and 97.5 CIQM-FM.
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Ok, I see that location on google maps satellite view. It's a pretty substantial set of buildings and a huge tower located just outside the western edge of the city limits (near the corner of Westdel Bourne and Baseline road).

I'm almost 4 miles from that location.

With so many channels transmitting from there, I wonder why all those other channels (14, 18, 40, 53, 69) don't come in crystal clear. Are their radiation patterns not designed to cover London?
 
sum-guy said:
w9wi said:
I don't know the geography of the area but the tower is at 42-57-20N/81-21-19W. It's shared with analog channels 14, 18, 20, 40, 53, and 69, the three CBC FM signals, and 97.5 CIQM-FM.
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Ok, I see that location on google maps satellite view. It's a pretty substantial set of buildings and a huge tower located just outside the western edge of the city limits (near the corner of Westdel Bourne and Baseline road).

I'm almost 4 miles from that location.

With so many channels transmitting from there, I wonder why all those other channels (14, 18, 40, 53, 69) don't come in crystal clear. Are their radiation patterns not designed to cover London?
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Some of these channels are relatively low power, but at only 6km you shouldn't have any signal strength issues. (I have no information on directional patterns in Canada but again, at only 6km they should be plenty strong - and for low-powered stations I would be quite certain any directional patterns would favor the city)

Do you have a lot of "ghosting" on the analog channels? I would not be surprised to encounter that with strong signals in an urban setting near a tower.
 
Nice to see I'm not the only person able to receive CKXT-DT in London...

I live only about one mile from said tower, which is owned by TVOntario. It's inside London city limits nowadays, although it's a bit outside the urban fringe, located between Warbler Woods and a U-pick apple orchard.

At one time I was unable to get an acceptable signal for CFMT on 69. An engineer with Rogers told me the poor signal was due to my close proximity to the transmitter, but he said they would go ahead and do some work on it, and sure enough a few days later the signal was much better. CBLN 40 is the best signal off that tower, and CBLFT 53 is very good as well. CJMT 20 is awful.
 
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