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Ted Koppel Dubs Both Fox News And MSNBC "The Death Of Real News" In Op-Ed

Re: Ted Koppel Dubs Both Fox News And MSNBC "The Death Of Real News" In Op-Ed

The part of the article I thought was great is when Koppel mentioned a list of ABC employees to Eisner asking the then chief of Disney if he knew these people? When Eisner said he did not, Koppel said the list contained news employees and associated personnel who died while covering wars, disasters, and other circumstances for the network. Eisner reportedly wasn't pleased with that question.

IMHO real news has been dead for many years.
 
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Mark_Giardina said:
IMHO real news has been dead for many years.
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What killed it? Lack of interest.

We saw the begining of the end with yellow journalism. It was much more popular than real journalism. Celebrity journalism is much more popular. And now with the 24/7 news channels, they COULD devote their time to real news. But no one would watch. And if no one watches, then there's no money for all the people and facilities it requires. In another thread, we have Congress calling to defund public broadcasting. There's a relationship here because it costs money to do real journalism.
 
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TheBigA said:
We saw the begining of the end with yellow journalism. It was much more popular than real journalism. Celebrity journalism is much more popular.
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...well, W.R. Hearst did tell Roscoe Arbuckle that he sold more newspapers with his rumours-as-fact approach to Arbuckle's San Francisco trials in '21-'22 than anything else since the sinking of the Lusitania...
 
Re: Ted Koppel Dubs Both Fox News And MSNBC "The Death Of Real News" In Op-Ed

Good read. Of course Olbermann will reply not that Koppel is wrong on everything, just that he, and the other mouthpieces aren't like fox.
 
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Where were the Stewarts and the Koppels of this world when Fox went completely unanswered from the left?
 
Re: Ted Koppel Dubs Both Fox News And MSNBC "The Death Of Real News" In Op-Ed

You'd think they'd have come out of the woodwork during the Bush administration...
 
Re: Ted Koppel Dubs Both Fox News And MSNBC "The Death Of Real News" In Op-Ed

TheBigA said:
Mark_Giardina said:
IMHO real news has been dead for many years.
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What killed it? Lack of interest.

We saw the begining of the end with yellow journalism. It was much more popular than real journalism. Celebrity journalism is much more popular. And now with the 24/7 news channels, they COULD devote their time to real news. But no one would watch. And if no one watches, then there's no money for all the people and facilities it requires. In another thread, we have Congress calling to defund public broadcasting. There's a relationship here because it costs money to do real journalism.
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Good points. Baby boomers who grew up in Los Angeles will recall George Putnam, who was immensely popular as a TV anchor there from the mid 50s to the early 70s. Putnam had a booming voice, and delivered the news dramatically with a pompous flair. He was also very open about his conservative political beliefs. Though he claimed to keep his opinions to his editorial segment, his biased viewpoint was very clear in any story about politics, justice, civil rights, or immigration.

During the 1970 Mayoral campaign (I may be off a year or so), Putnam was part of the effort to get conservative Mayor Sam Yorty re-elected by constantly reminding viewers that Yorty's opponent (Tom Bradley) was black, and implying that he had ties to anti Vietnam radicals, Communists, and the Black Panther party.

For his efforts, Putnam was the highest paid anchor anywhere in America by the mid 60s, making even more than Walter Cronkite. If he were alive today, he'd be a star player on Fox News.
 
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No its more about Propaganda on CNN, Fox and MSNBC the cable news channels should be renamed as propaganda channels.
 
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listener-in said:
Where were the Stewarts and the Koppels of this world when Fox went completely unanswered from the left?
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What are you talking about? Daily show has been making fun of fox since Stewart took it over, & plenty of other people, especially from the left (for obvious reasons) have blasted the network non-stop since at least 2000 when it started to become a powerful network. It didn't just start when a left leaning version of fox started, and MSNBC shouldn't get a free pass because they have only been like this for a few years and/or gets low ratings. Both networks are a joke.
 
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TheBigA said:
Mark_Giardina said:
IMHO real news has been dead for many years.
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What killed it? Lack of interest.

We saw the begining of the end with yellow journalism. It was much more popular than real journalism. Celebrity journalism is much more popular. And now with the 24/7 news channels, they COULD devote their time to real news. But no one would watch. And if no one watches, then there's no money for all the people and facilities it requires. In another thread, we have Congress calling to defund public broadcasting. There's a relationship here because it costs money to do real journalism.
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I don't think it is a lack of interest A.

As for the issue of money my suggestion would be spend the money for a decent news product or don't bother at all.

I would hate to see what will pass for journalism in five or ten years. ::)
 
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It's depressing to me that people now seem to prefer Pundit-TV, where they watch commentators who espouse the same political beliefs they have. This used to be what talk radio was for. I guess people enjoy having their own opinions validated.

It's no wonder the news networks have increasingly introduced this model - aside from higher ratings, it's a lot cheaper to stick a camera in front of 2 or 3 people talking, than to produce a real news program, which involves a lot of expensive on-the-scene reporting.

Personally, I'm a liberal, but I find Olbermann incredibly irritating. When I'm home at night relaxing, the last thing I want is to be whipped up into a self-righteous frenzy about some controversy or issue. Maddow is a little easier to take, but I'm still not interested.

Same problem with the conservative commentators like Hannity and Beck. I'd rather hear some real news reporting.
 
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Real news has been "dying out" since Edward R. Murrow was selling Camels and Timexes.
It's always been evolving. Lots of people just don't want it to change.
 
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quadraphonic said:
Real news has been "dying out" since Edward R. Murrow was selling Camels and Timexes.
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John Cameron Swayze was the guy who hawked Timex. "It takes a licking and keeps on ticking!" 8)
 
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static_cling said:
quadraphonic said:
Real news has been "dying out" since Edward R. Murrow was selling Camels and Timexes.
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John Cameron Swayze was the guy who hawked Timex. "It takes a licking and keeps on ticking!" 8)
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...Swayze was also the anchor of NBC's Camel News Caravan. I believe Murrow's sponsors were Alcoa and Amoco...
 
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