The boston globe: Beyond the pail with regard to jerry remy and nesn

[Omnibus]

Never heard the Boston Globe call for Ted Kennedy to step down after Chappaquidick or Bill Clinton after "The Blue Dress" of Monica ... but they are on a diatribe to put Jerry Remy on the unemployment line and get him fired from NESN.

Let's not forget the connection of The Boston Globe and the Boston Red Sox - they are owned by the same person - John Henry.

Looks like The Globe is trying to exert undo pressure to force Jerry Remy to resign as the Red Sox color commentator on NESN because somehow he didn't do enough to make sure his son, Jared Remy, ended up in prison years ago.

Let the court system work and let us not have guilt by association. That is a slippery road and I am sure there are several Globe columnists, editors and managing editors whose family life they would not like to see on the front pages of the Boston Globe and whose children are out of control and who have escaped the clutches of the law because of who their parents are.

So, to The Boston Globe management - clean up your own house before you start to attempt to destroy someone elses.

Shame of The Boston Globe for their blatant hypocrisy.

 

[Downeaster]

Well said, Omnibus!

100% agreement. What on earth does Jerry's son have to do with Jerry's ability to analyze a ball game? He is very good at what he does.

 

[Omnibus]

WORD POLICE : I think the correct spelling in the phrase " Beyond the .... " is " Pale" not "Pail" as in bucket.... So it should read, "beyond the pale...".

Never heard the Boston Globe call for Ted Kennedy to step down after Chappaquidick or Bill Clinton after "The Blue Dress" of Monica ... but they are on a diatribe to put Jerry Remy on the unemployment line and get him fired from NESN.

Let's not forget the connection of The Boston Globe and the Boston Red Sox - they are owned by the same person - John Henry.

Looks like The Globe is trying to exert undo pressure to force Jerry Remy to resign as the Red Sox color commentator on NESN because somehow he didn't do enough to make sure his son, Jared Remy, ended up in prison years ago.

Let the court system work and let us not have guilt by association. That is a slippery road and I am sure there are several Globe columnists, editors and managing editors whose family life they would not like to see on the front pages of the Boston Globe and whose children are out of control and who have escaped the clutches of the law because of who their parents are.

So, to The Boston Globe management - clean up your own house before you start to attempt to destroy someone elses.

Shame of The Boston Globe for their blatant hypocrisy.

 

[jdrinboston]

Never heard the Boston Globe call for Ted Kennedy to step down after Chappaquidick or Bill Clinton after "The Blue Dress" of Monica ... but they are on a diatribe to put Jerry Remy on the unemployment line and get him fired from NESN.

Let's not forget the connection of The Boston Globe and the Boston Red Sox - they are owned by the same person - John Henry.

Looks like The Globe is trying to exert undo pressure to force Jerry Remy to resign as the Red Sox color commentator on NESN because somehow he didn't do enough to make sure his son, Jared Remy, ended up in prison years ago.

Let the court system work and let us not have guilt by association. That is a slippery road and I am sure there are several Globe columnists, editors and managing editors whose family life they would not like to see on the front pages of the Boston Globe and whose children are out of control and who have escaped the clutches of the law because of who their parents are.

So, to The Boston Globe management - clean up your own house before you start to attempt to destroy someone elses.

Shame of The Boston Globe for their blatant hypocrisy.

From a broadcasting perspective, how is this situation much different than when Chet Curtis was pulled off the anchor desk at WCVB shortly after he and Natalie Jacobson announced their separation/divorce?

Chet was a fine anchor - extremely good at what he did - and the divorce had absolutely no impact on his ability to look into a camera and deliver news and information to viewers. But after 25+ years of being marketed as the happy, loving husband and wife who just happened to anchor the news together, their divorce was both a blow to the viewing public and shattered the Chet & Nat "brand" that WCVB had centered their marketing around. Meanwhile, instead of tuning into their beloved husband-wife anchor team, viewers were forced to take in and accept a new normal, a once, seemingly happy couple struggling to continue working together as if nothing had changed, all the while trying to keep the proverbial 800-pound gorilla in the room from sneaking into the two-shot each night at the beginning and end of the newscast. Viewers - whether intentionally or, more concerning, subliminally - became uncomfortable watching it and the station became concerned about damaging their image.

While the criminal circumstances surrounding the case are certainly far more horrifying and tragic than Chet & Nat's divorce, I don't think the Remy on-air situation is all that dissimilar. Fairly or unfairly, the brand of Don Orsillo and his good-natured, easy going, "baseball buddy" Jerry "RemDawg" Remy is shattered, to be replaced by someone who looks and sounds an awful lot like Jerry Remy, but for some reason, seems a bit different. The same 800-pound gorilla who loomed just off camera with Chet & Nat will now relocate to the Fenway Park broadcast booth - only instead of a short 30-second two shots at the beginning/end of a newscast - it will be present for an entire 3 to 3 1/2 hour baseball game. Whether people realize it or not, there are bound to be stints of awkwardness as the season progresses and people look to parse every quip or awkward wording for some hidden meaning that links to the murder.

Then there's the inevitable awkward moment when a tourist or relative from out of town walks into a bar/living room where the game is playing and asks if the guy whose talking on TV is "the guy whose son murdered that poor girl?"

The whole situation is a diaster for all involved and is a textbook case of where the realities of the broadcasting business collide with the real world in ways that can seem extremely unfair. If Jared Remy's father sold auto insurance, audited financial reports or yes, covered the State House for a local newspaper for a living, this case would have been one of the dozens of tragic domestic violence incidents turn murder that plague our society each year and nobody would even suggest that his father should lose or forfeit his livelihood. But Jared Remy's father happens to be one of the most well-known and well-liked sports broadcasters in the region and he has built his own name, on-air personality, and reputation into a brand that has fronted a burgeoning restaurant chain and other business/endorsement ventures. For better or worse, that brand has now been severely damaged and that has to come with consequences. It may be unfair, but TV has always been an unfair business.

 

[Omnibus]

All maybe true but The Boston Globe needs to clean up their own house before they start throwing stones at others. Just because their problems, criminal or otherwise have not hit the front pages of The Boston Globe does not mean they do not exist. Again, hypocrisy is rampant at The Boston Globe !

From a broadcasting perspective, how is this situation much different than when Chet Curtis was pulled off the anchor desk at WCVB shortly after he and Natalie Jacobson announced their separation/divorce?

Chet was a fine anchor - extremely good at what he did - and the divorce had absolutely no impact on his ability to look into a camera and deliver news and information to viewers. But after 25+ years of being marketed as the happy, loving husband and wife who just happened to anchor the news together, their divorce was both a blow to the viewing public and shattered the Chet & Nat "brand" that WCVB had centered their marketing around. Meanwhile, instead of tuning into their beloved husband-wife anchor team, viewers were forced to take in and accept a new normal, a once, seemingly happy couple struggling to continue working together as if nothing had changed, all the while trying to keep the proverbial 800-pound gorilla in the room from sneaking into the two-shot each night at the beginning and end of the newscast. Viewers - whether intentionally or, more concerning, subliminally - became uncomfortable watching it and the station became concerned about damaging their image.

While the criminal circumstances surrounding the case are certainly far more horrifying and tragic than Chet & Nat's divorce, I don't think the Remy on-air situation is all that dissimilar. Fairly or unfairly, the brand of Don Orsillo and his good-natured, easy going, "baseball buddy" Jerry "RemDawg" Remy is shattered, to be replaced by someone who looks and sounds an awful lot like Jerry Remy, but for some reason, seems a bit different. The same 800-pound gorilla who loomed just off camera with Chet & Nat will now relocate to the Fenway Park broadcast booth - only instead of a short 30-second two shots at the beginning/end of a newscast - it will be present for an entire 3 to 3 1/2 hour baseball game. Whether people realize it or not, there are bound to be stints of awkwardness as the season progresses and people look to parse every quip or awkward wording for some hidden meaning that links to the murder.

Then there's the inevitable awkward moment when a tourist or relative from out of town walks into a bar/living room where the game is playing and asks if the guy whose talking on TV is "the guy whose son murdered that poor girl?"

The whole situation is a diaster for all involved and is a textbook case of where the realities of the broadcasting business collide with the real world in ways that can seem extremely unfair. If Jared Remy's father sold auto insurance, audited financial reports or yes, covered the State House for a local newspaper for a living, this case would have been one of the dozens of tragic domestic violence incidents turn murder that plague our society each year and nobody would even suggest that his father should lose or forfeit his livelihood. But Jared Remy's father happens to be one of the most well-known and well-liked sports broadcasters in the region and he has built his own name, on-air personality, and reputation into a brand that has fronted a burgeoning restaurant chain and other business/endorsement ventures. For better or worse, that brand has now been severely damaged and that has to come with consequences. It may be unfair, but TV has always been an unfair business.

 

[jdrinboston]

All maybe true but The Boston Globe needs to clean up their own house before they start throwing stones at others. Just because their problems, criminal or otherwise have not hit the front pages of The Boston Globe does not mean they do not exist. Again, hypocrisy is rampant at The Boston Globe !

I'm unclear how the Globe's internal issues - which you seem to have inside knowledge of, but are not willing to share - apply in this situation. I read the editorial in question. Their editorial position is not that parents of accused/convicted violent criminals should lose their right to make a living. They're position is that as this case continues to meander its way through the courts/media, it's unfair to demand Red Sox fans watch/listen to someone so closely connected to such a violent and high profile criminal case. The Globe even left the door open for Remy to come back following the trial's completion, so it's not like they are looking to give him the boot. This seems like a perfectly reasonable position, one that already has a fairly high-profile precedent in this market.

If the Globe has had similar internal issues (I'm only assuming here, because you're bringing it up. Specifics would be appreciated), I don't see how they apply. The fact is the public at large doesn't have nearly the same relationship with a city hall reporter, classified sales manager, or copy editor that they would have with someone of Jerry Remy's stature.

 

[Downeaster]

It seems to me that this issue is apparently big in Greater Boston. For many of us, the story about Jerry's son was just another story in the news. While very tragic and sad, the impact of the story isn't as great outside Boston, or perhaps all of Massachusetts. NESN covers a big area and many of us are a long way from Boston, so it doesn't seem like as big an issue.

'JD in Boston' made some good points comparing the Remy situation to a Boston TV anchor. However, those of us outside the Boston area have never heard of him, so there is no impact on us at all. Similar with Jerry's situation. NESN viewers in the Boston area may be upset with Jerry being on the air, but the thousands outside the Boston area probably don't share similar feelings.

 

[Omnibus]

Why should Jerry Remy have to wait until after the trial to come back; that is totally ridiculous.
Again, The Globe should take a long look in the mirror at its own failings. Hey, let's suspend publication of The Globe until it cleans up its own act..... ;-)

I'm unclear how the Globe's internal issues - which you seem to have inside knowledge of, but are not willing to share - apply in this situation. I read the editorial in question. Their editorial position is not that parents of accused/convicted violent criminals should lose their right to make a living. They're position is that as this case continues to meander its way through the courts/media, it's unfair to demand Red Sox fans watch/listen to someone so closely connected to such a violent and high profile criminal case. The Globe even left the door open for Remy to come back following the trial's completion, so it's not like they are looking to give him the boot. This seems like a perfectly reasonable position, one that already has a fairly high-profile precedent in this market.

If the Globe has had similar internal issues (I'm only assuming here, because you're bringing it up. Specifics would be appreciated), I don't see how they apply. The fact is the public at large doesn't have nearly the same relationship with a city hall reporter, classified sales manager, or copy editor that they would have with someone of Jerry Remy's stature.

 

[jdrinboston]

Why should Jerry Remy have to wait until after the trial to come back; that is totally ridiculous.
Again, The Globe should take a long look in the mirror at its own failings. Hey, let's suspend publication of The Globe until it cleans up its own act..... ;-)

Based on your refusal/inability to provide any specific relevant failings, is it safe to assume that they don't actually exist?

 

[Unregistered]

Sports radio is making a BIG DEAL over this

It seems to me that this issue is apparently big in Greater Boston. For many of us, the story about Jerry's son was just another story in the news. While very tragic and sad, the impact of the story isn't as great outside Boston, or perhaps all of Massachusetts.

I think it's also whether you listen to sports radio or not. I'm aware of the Jared Remy story from the news and think that Jerry Remy should continue broadcasting games. Some co-workers of mine have been listening to WEEI-FM and, since that station has been harping on the story quite a bit, have a different opinion about Jerry Remy.

Paul

 

[Omnibus]

And what facts about Jerry Remy has the Globe provided other than they think he sucked as a parent. Lot of men would be out of work if that is the standard The Boston Globe is proposing including many of the Globe staffers.

Based on your refusal/inability to provide any specific relevant failings, is it safe to assume that they don't actually exist?

 

[jdrinboston]

Please provide direct citations from the Globe editorial where they state Remy should be out of work because he "sucked" as a parent.

And for the record, Remy confirmed to D&C last week that he is financing his sons current defense, so the fact is one of the most high profile employees of this city's most high profile sports team is directly involved in a murder trial. Whatever Jared Remy's attorneys argue during the trial will come with Jerry Remy's blessing. Zero degrees of separation. That's a tad more than simply "sucking as a parent." And the Globe is well within their rights to point that out.

And what facts about Jerry Remy has the Globe provided other than they think he sucked as a parent. Lot of men would be out of work if that is the standard The Boston Globe is proposing including many of the Globe staffers.

 

[Omnibus]

Where do you work at the Globe....?
What they are doing near Tailgunner Joe McCarthy (R ) Wisc. tactics.

Please provide direct citations from the Globe editorial where they state Remy should be out of work because he "sucked" as a parent.

And for the record, Remy confirmed to D&C last week that he is financing his sons current defense, so the fact is one of the most high profile employees of this city's most high profile sports team is directly involved in a murder trial. Whatever Jared Remy's attorneys argue during the trial will come with Jerry Remy's blessing. Zero degrees of separation. That's a tad more than simply "sucking as a parent." And the Globe is well within their rights to point that out.

 

[BOZ Profit]

Discussing opinions on the matter is fine. Let's not degrade this thread with provocations.

 

[Omnibus]

Makes sense.

Discussing opinions on the matter is fine. Let's not degrade this thread with provocations.