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The Declining state of radio and your opinion why...

As I have travelled many times in the region from Horseheads to Depew and everywhere inbetween and have hiked the gorges of Ithaca, I clicked on the topic.....


Opinion...Could it be that the over-commodification of radio has made every form of skilled talent too expensive?

First, the engineers, then news people, then jocks, then doubling up of jobs and clustering. etc.
All these people added value and quality to the product. A tin-can sounding uniform corporate packaged format
is nothing more than an RF place-holder, and I will tune past it every time to find the jock who has a clear idea of who
"I" is, and if I like their taste, I will not tune away, even when some music is not familiar, known, or preferred.
The best is when radio someone plays a "new"-"old", I song I've somehow never heard.


Give thanks to be in any radio situation with choice in music.


The more modern choices being favored seems so much like the CB radio craze of 1976 to me.
Except that everyone is paying for the bandwidth now, which makes it SO MUCH COOLER!
 
I think the key for radio will be content creation. I would expect stations creating content whether that is talk shows, news or music programming with localization to fair better than those acting as content repeaters, particularly if online streaming to cars ever becomes common place. I'll be able to tune into Sean Hannity, Rush or a more music hot A/C from potentially hundreds of sources. The local station will need to bring something to the table which is unique.

Personally, I am far more likely to buy the local paper than the nearby big city paper as the local paper has a lot of info on what is going on in my small town that is not so easy to find from other sources. I can find out what Obama did or said yesterday from hundreds or thousands of sources and don't need a big city paper with a heavy focus on national news.

Same goes for local radio - there has to be something unique or the content can come from SirusXM or an internet stream. The comment about CBS certainly rings true. Maybe they learned something a couple years ago when they tried to replace the local overnight show on WBZ with a show based in St. Louis to be shared on several of their big AM signals. WBZ's offices were flooded with calls and emails for about a month and they retreated and put the local show back on. Unique content will be key. Clear channel loves to run Coast to Coast AM on their stations, but with Wifi in my car I could get that anywhere so the local station is unnecessary.
 
spt87 said:
I think the key for radio will be content creation. I would expect stations creating content whether that is talk shows, news or music programming with localization to fair better than those acting as content repeaters, particularly if online streaming to cars ever becomes common place.

Great idea. How are you going to pay for it? Listeners want content for free. Advertisers don't care about content. They care about numbers. Local businesses have been squeezed to the bone by everyone from the local high school baseball team to direct mail, and they can't raise their prices because they also have to compete with national chains. Where will the money come from to do all this original local programming? Right now you have bloggers who do it as a hobby for free.
 
TheBigA said:
spt87 said:
I think the key for radio will be content creation. I would expect stations creating content whether that is talk shows, news or music programming with localization to fair better than those acting as content repeaters, particularly if online streaming to cars ever becomes common place.

Great idea. How are you going to pay for it? Listeners want content for free. Advertisers don't care about content. They care about numbers. Local businesses have been squeezed to the bone by everyone from the local high school baseball team to direct mail, and they can't raise their prices because they also have to compete with national chains. Where will the money come from to do all this original local programming? Right now you have bloggers who do it as a hobby for free.

I did several internet shows before I started at WLLW. There was a mix music show, A Queen show and a 60's music countdown. The "station" also aired a sports talk show, an Adult Contemporary/Jazz show and a metal show. ALL of them specializing in things you don't often hear but with hits sprinkled throughout. Some are still in production.

WLLW and the other stations run by Finger Lakes Radio Group air local high school games, do remotes at businesses/advertisers locations. Their advertising is cheaper than other stations and its free to the listeners either online or regular radio.. WLLW and WNYR give you content that other stations don't offer. WNYR does have a live DJ on the air Saturday afternoons and the country station has a classic country show on Sunday mornings from 9am-12pm.

Whats your next complaint?
 
As for content, here is the content of my 4 hour shift for 10-9-11. There is some things you don't often hear mixed in...

CCR: Lookin Out My Back Door
Led Zeppelin: Tangerine
BTO: Let It Ride
Quiet Riot: *** On Feel The Noize
Boston: Rock N Roll Band
CSN: Suite Judy Blue Eyes
Steve Miller: Threshold/Jet Airliner
Tom Petty: I Should Have Known It
Kansas: Point Of Know Return
Vandenburg: Burning Heart
Jimi Hendrix: Valleys Of Neptune
Guns N Roses: Patience
Rolling Stones; Monkey Man
Styx: Lady
ZZ Top: I Thank You
Pink Floyd: Us And Them
Emersaon, Lake & Palmer: From The Beginning
Twisted Sister: We're Not Gonna Take It
Lynyrd Skynyrd: Call Me The Breeze
Bryan Adams: Run To You
Loverboy: Working For The Weekend
AC/DC: TNT
Humble Pie: 30 Days In The Hole
Journey: Lights
Hollies; Long Cool Woman In A Black Dress
Black Sabbath: War Pigs
Cream: Badge
Elton John: Country Comfort
John Lennon: Imagine
Jackson Browne: Boulevard
Neil Young: Southern Man
Def Leppard: High & Dry
Molly Hatchet: Flirting With Disaster
April Wine: Sign Of The Gypsy Queen
Rush: Caravan (New Song)
Steely Dan: My Old School
Kiss: I Was Made For Loving You
The Who: 5:15
Ten Years After: I'd Love To Change The World
Cheap Trick: Tonight It's You
Queen: Keep Yourself Alive
Foreigner: Long Long Way From Home
Ted Nugent: Stranglehold
 
Jeff Michaels said:
As for content, here is the content of my 4 hour shift for 10-9-11. There is some things you don't often hear mixed in...

Great. What's original, unique, and local about that?

Playing music owned by record labels is not content creation. It's just re-playing other peoples' content. No difference between that and repeating syndicated talk shows from other markets, with local weather updates in the breaks.
 
Um, ok.. What do you suggest on a classic rock channel? local bands?

I did promo reads in my own way, Weather with a touch of humor added in, spoke of celebrity birthdays and albums released 30 and 40 years prior to the date...

Maybe you'll be happy with my countdown show when it debuts soon...

Maybe you just like to complain...

Maybe someday, someway, i'll realize that you'll bitch and moan no matter WHAT i say!
 
Jeff Michaels said:
Um, ok.. What do you suggest on a classic rock channel? local bands?

That would be nice.

You are the one who posted a topic about the "Declining State of Radio." Not me. That sounds like a complaint and a criticism. Or you're looking for complaints. So now someone complains, and you're offended. There are some people who do original reporting, and original content creation, and not just retransmit other peoples' work. I used to get demo tapes from prospective DJs filled with segues between songs. What is that?

You talk about the declining state of radio...there was a time when radio stations had their own orchestras, performing live music for their listeners, not just playing recordings. It's a whole lot more expensive to do it that way. Hiring DJs caused the decline in the state of radio from what it was in the 1930s. So how is what you do improving the state of radio? Every song you play is easily available elsewhere. We don't live in the desert. We can download all those songs and play them for ourselves without commercials. And we can skip the songs we don't like.

Think in terms of original unique content that YOU create. Build the entire show around that, not music. Otherwise, you're just a board op running other peoples' stuff. THAT is contributing to the declining state of radio.
 
Well, my countdown show I created is just that type of thing. I used to do a 60's version but its on hiatus with the Classic Rock one coming to WLLW soon. No time to do both. Though I may try to sell it to stations...

I also did specials:
Top 50 Elton John
Top 100 Jackson Family Hits
Top 100 Country Crossover Artists
Top 50 songs parodied by Weird Al
Top 50 Written or Performed by The Bee Gees
The #1 songs on July 4th (1977-2011)

With the stories behind the artists and the songs, all of the shows have unique content to a regular airshift on radio.

I wasn't offended, I just gave my thoughts and was looking for yours. Instead of maybe criticizing the playlist or complimenting it, you chose to pick apart ONE sentence. That is why I got frustrated. I know that while online and even on WLLW already I have fans. Online, all over the world for my older shows... I also will have those who aren't fans. I am ok with that. But give some things a chance before you dump on it... Maybe you'd love my countdown shows, who knows...
 
Jeff Michaels said:
But give some things a chance before you dump on it... Maybe you'd love my countdown shows, who knows...

You started this thread saying you like live and local. You want to know that the person playing the songs on the radio is local. Now I read you want to sell what you do to other stations. Doesn't that make you the kind of person you don't like? Instead of stations hiring local people like you who will play Elton John or Jackson Family themselves, they'll instead play How does that reverse the declining state of radio?

With regards to "unique content," did you interview Elton John or the Bee Gees? Did you get some original content from them? Do you have breaking news about the Bee Gees no one else knows? Or are you just reading bio material from someone else? If I'm missing something here, I apologize.
 
Well, selling to the Upstate NY area is good. I also am ok with syndicated shows on occasion to give different flavors to the stations. I am ok with American Top 40 with Casey Kasem, always have been. If all stations had a personality who could handle a countdown show, they could use them for it instead of me.
 
Jeff Michaels said:
Um, ok.. What do you suggest on a classic rock channel? local bands?

Perhaps you could slip in something by Orleans, if it's not considered too soft.

Although the band was "officially" formed in Woodstock, the late Wells Kelly grew up in Ithaca and was well known in that area. About ten years ago, my sister and brother-in-law owned the former Kelly family home near the Cornell campus, and pointed out grease-pencil graffiti on their basement wall that still says "Wells, the little drummer boy"
 
As for interviews, No, I don't have those types of connections... but then again, Casey Kasem did a countdown show for 18+ years without ever interviewing someone. And I use official bio information from the bands for information as well as trivia. Otherwise I'd be making it up.

I'll have to look if we have them. I imagine not because they're too "soft" but with the local connection, you'd think otherwise. Still The One isn't bad and Dance With Me is similar to softer Eagles songs, which we play.
 
The difference between canned SPAM and live and local is that a live and local guy:

1. Understands the musical taste & direction of the local audience based on research, gut feeling, and what's going on around town.

2. A live and local guy knows what artists either appeared recently, or will be appearing, and what kind of reception they got from the audience. Anybody who's good at this knows the local music scene, and what draws a crowd.

3. Not everybody has all day to hang around the Internet to keep up with "breaking news" on artists or other topics of interest. Good jocks have always been agregators of material that's of interest to the audience. I don't care how many e-mail alerts, tweets, or FB friends you have, you can't keep up with all the information out there. A great jock adds to the value of the music by adding artist info, interesting tidbits, or even their own twist to the subject of the song. There are a lot of ways to entertain based on the shared human experience. Jock who talk only about themselves don't last in the business very long, and don't draw numbers.

4. Station promotion is only of value to the listener if it benefits that listener. Telling the listener that "We're your much more music station playing 37 in a row" is not of benefit to the listener. If they want that, they can pick their own 37 in a row. Listeners choose radio because it's (or should be) more than a jukebox playing somebody else's tunes. That doesn't mean that music programming is out. It means that music programming needs context to be more interesting or effective in attracting and holding listeners.

5. There's a reason that one station has better ratings when several stations are essentially playing the same music. In our market, it's invariably the station with the most live and local content that wins. And that's true in most other markets.
 
SirRoxalot said:
The difference between canned SPAM and live and local is that a live and local guy:

So what? That might be of limited interest to fans of particular artists, but the reality is that it doesn't matter. The live & local guy has no relationship with the artists. He probably didn't even attend the local show. So he doesn't have specific local information about that show. Plus most of the major concert tours are canned national shows that use the same set list every night.

Musical taste is not defined by local geography the way it was 50 years ago. What changed was communication. We see big stars on TV, and that's who we want to know about. So regionalisms have gone away. Music taste is individual, not regional. If you're not playing my favorites, I don't care where you are. Just because you're local doesn't mean you know what I want. And if I'm a fan of an artist, I'm already on a number of email lists that give me all the tidbits I want about that artist. In other words, fans know more about their artists than some local guy on the radio. That's why radio is struggling to make a connection with listeners. They're simply not in the same lifegroup.
 
There we have the crux of the matter. TheBigA is of the opinion that there are no regional differences anymore.

Yup, I'm just like one of those NYC residents, or Bible-belters, or Californians when in comes to musical taste. Hamburg's just like La Jolla. Buffalo's just like San Jose. We can talk about the same topics in February, and the weather's not really important. Or the traffic.
 
Weather is important, but not necessarily if you have some idiot telling you what the weather is in her multimillion dollar dream neighborhood, on that single block, right in front of a single house or parking lot, while applying for a job at a local tv station to do weather (failure at news and journalism), because the station tells you what the weather is in people's backyards, as appointed weather watchers. Just throwing that in there.

If it was that kind of a weather report, I would call it totally hideous. But yeah, weather and traffic matter. Of course it helps to know the areas where you are reporting traffic too, because some idiots also don't have a clue what constitutes downtown, while they call 90% of a county downtown.
 
SirRoxalot said:
We can talk about the same topics in February, and the weather's not really important. Or the traffic.

I have no problem with weather and traffic. That's certainly unique to Buffalo! But there's nothing unique that you can tell me about Elton John or any other non-local artist. The only thing unique about it is that it's you saying it. But that mainly matters to you. My point is that if you're going to host a show where all the music is available anywhere, then the show itself could come from anywhere. A show about Motown has more credibility coming from Detroit. A show about Memphis blues has more credibility from Beale Street. A show about The Beatles has more credibility coming from Abbey Road. And THAT is what media is about today. I can say anything, and my platform is as big as yours. But what separates fact from opinion is credibility. And local radio is having trouble now that its exclusive as a music delivery system is gone.

Unless local talent has a certain level of real tangible credibility, it's no better than anyone else. And when you have 40 or more stations with 5 or so hosts per station, they all can't get an exclusive with the star performing at the First Niagra Center. Especially when TV also wants that interview. I was speaking with a mid-day jock at a local station, and she was telling me how hard it is to keep up with all that happens. She's very conscientious, and VTs for several stations around the country, so labels and publicists want to give her exclusives. But without a larger platform, you're on the same level as the blogger working in his bedroom. She doesn't get paid extra for the work. It's what keeps her in demand. She calls it "value added." Which means it's free. But as she put it, it's the reason why she has a job, and gets to VT in markets where the local talent is gone.
 
How 'bout a little different perspective on the original question...

I think (forgive me!) there's a lonnngtime supply/demand problem. I'm talking 35 years or more of the FCC handing out broadcast licenses like a PEZ dispenser. Docket 80-90, LPFM, move-ins, AMs w/FM translators...HD subchannels...

Competition is good as it improves the breed - but too much competition and you end up unable to afford to operate properly...so even if you wanted to, you couldn't afford to pay people who might otherwise choose radio as a career. For many, no amount of back-office efficiency or consolidating tasks can fix this issue and those operators are left with canned programming.

Of course in 2011 there are other factors that contribute and exacerbate. Some are universal (TV morning shows that basically do what radio AM shows do, iPods, the web, Facebook are just a few); some are specific to the Northeast...like the continuing population hemhorrage out of Upstate. As I write this from just west of Pittsburgh, our population woes have gone on about as long as yours but at least the bleeding has stopped here...for now.

I'm not trying to absolve poor management, bad programming decisions or greed. Unlike many, I don't blame consolidation in and of itself, because in its purest form consolidation would enable a savvy operator to try new formats they might not otherwise have been able to afford, since the back-office costs are spread across 3,4,5 or more stations. These new stations could then be given time to find an audience and turn a profit.

Of course that's all hypothetical. In the real world, we all know what happened instead.

As mentioned in a previous comment, Dan Mason and CBS are showing a way out thru live, local, compelling content. Whether the other "C" companies will follow suit, even a little bit, remains to be seen.

Yes, our regional differences have largely disappeared...but not entirely. And a great station reflects its community in a way that makes it impossible to pluck it out of Buffalo and place it in New Orleans. Or even 275 miles down the 90 in Albany. Few stations - anywhere, in any market - have ever gotten to that point.

I'd like to see the FCC implement a program that somehow can set the ideal number of stations in any given market...which in most markets would be probably be half the number of stations on the air today. Stations with a long-enough history of losing money - and no hope of becoming profitable would be allowed to go dark and the license turned in for a tax credit until the herd is thinned in each market.

It will be argued that even if you thinned the herd that still doesn't account for competition from outside the medium.

True. But thinning the herd is a start.

For radio to survive and thrive, it must be able to emotionally connect with its listeners. For most music stations, that means live, local, compelling personalities...people who know how to relate local content as well as the latest on your favorite artists or whatever people are buzzing about that day. A good jock will be able to live in the moment and adjust their content accordingly. Build up a rapport with the listeners...when someone texts in a request or posts on your FB wall, interact with them...what are people tweeting about, what topics are trending and can one or more of those topics translate into great on-air content? Your listener may know what their favorite artist is doing but can you bring your unique perspective to that same content...turn it around so the listener thinks of it in a new way? What can you do to turn your listener into a fan?

I know I know...when you voice track for seven stations how do you do even part of that? If I had an answer I'd be some highly paid consultant telling clients how to make it work.

I just believe that without the content you become an iPod with commercials. What's the point?

OK I've rambled enough...have at it. And Jeff, welcome to this board. I came here a few years ago to interact with a couple of my all-time radio heroes, and stayed because this is a good group of people.
 
So when Elton John and Billy Joel played HSBC, now First Niagara Arena and one of the crew calls to tell you EJ and BJ ordered for the entire crew from LaNova... and when Bruce Springsteen comes to town and takes the night jock record shopping because he want to buy a dozen 45s at Record Theatre... and after the show shows up at the Anchor Bar with Clarence...

When Bob Seger has breakfast at the Hilton (now Adams Mark) and says "pull up a chair" to a jock who just walked by and said "hey, great show last night..." or when the Great One (Wayne Gretzky) and a few other Oilers sees a starry-eyed kid who's respectfully keeping his distance and waves him to "c'mon over" and signs autographs... when Martin Biron or any one of the Sabres who shops at Wegman's gets behind you at the checkout and says "how's it goin'" to the checkout person like he's no big deal, even though he is... when Garth Brooks calls up the live, local jock at a Buffalo radio station the morning of his sold out show and makes a request for an old Bobby Fuller Four song...

When a visiting NFL coach goes to Roswell Park, without cameras, to visit a kid who's battling cancer... when you walk past one of the Bills at a local restaurant and not make a big deal over him and he enjoys being able to just go out and have a good dinner... when Pro Football Hall of Fame #12 walks up behind you at a promo event and smacks you on the back so hard you feel like you've been hit by a linebacker as he says "how the hell are ya?" When one of your listeners call you up and say, "hey, my car ran out of gas on the 400 and the Erie county sheriff stopped to as if I needed help and drove me to the gas station..."

When you see Tony at a Canisius-Bona game and he gives you a running play by play or a listeners bumps into the former Erie County Executive who's watching his kid play Muny ball at Caz. When one of the wealthiest guys in Buffalo helps push your winter car (aka "beater") out of a snow bank and thinks nothing of it.

Yup, this is Buffalo. This is Western New York. This is just the way it works around here. How do you voice track that from Topeka? [Rhetorical question.]
 
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