The Declining state of radio and your opinion why...

[BJC]

Quote from: Paul_Warren on Today at 02:28:45 AM

an industry niche, a world in which teaching certifications are meaningless and results are everything.



This is what Radio was

 

[jfrancispastirchak]

Seriously, Dude? That's YOUR view of talent? That may have been true of the all-night show in the '70s, but it wasn't even true of most jocks then. It's certainly not true now.

Go to radio station web sites and see the photos of the talent.

I'm with A on this one. Some of those website headshots look more like MUGshots. I write from the sidelines now, having left the trade for good in 2001. Still in touch with a few friends in the business, and even a couple of them sport facial hair full-bodied enough to be mistaken for end-zones with dentures.

 

[Silkie]

People who want the respect and respectability of a profession are licensed. Licensing helps to weed out the bad ones or the ones who are just a problem on AND off the air. Of course, they can always revert back to a cover story that is tantamount to hiding behind a vapor, when they are caught in their troublemaking and troublesome meddling.

 

[Tom Wells]

People who want the respect and respectability of a profession are licensed. Licensing helps to weed out the bad ones or the ones who are just a problem on AND off the air. Of course, they can always revert back to a cover story that is tantamount to hiding behind a vapor, when they are caught in their troublemaking and troublesome meddling.

Yes, and when licenses are devalued or eliminated the whole profession can just die?

I'm sure you can see what I'm getting at?

Shall we eliminate licensing of attorneys? Why not, exactly?
There's enough info out there and previous decisions to apply to any future situation.
Lawyers are simply redundant at this point.

Everything these days is rock-solid, airtight, stable and never needs a lawyer anymore to make sure things, people and corporations "behave" prpoerly.

Anyone should be able to prosecute their own legal matters today, there is no longer any need for a "gatekeeper" class
to access the legal system.


We don't really need a health care system, anymore either, now that everyone can be self-responsible.
Physician, heal thy self.
Anyone should be able to be a healer for free or accept payment for healing assistance.
Healthcare cannot actually "be" licensed.


Well, there's not much left that needs protecting now, phew, that was hard work. Have a nice day.
Happy to have saved you all so much money. Think nothing of it.

Sorry if your skills, diploma and license have just been deregulated out of existance.

A reading of the definitions of the word license shows how the word has been pared down to
mean far less than it encompasses.
True "license" is not granted by any group or body.
Guess who really grants license.
Go ahead.
Guess.

 

[Silkie]

I stand by my assertion that requiring education and licensing will help to clean out the dirt. Why should a corporation that is a licensee be taken out entirely over the conduct of its bad apples?

Unless, of course, with full knowledge of the conduct, they stand firmly behind a bad seed. Then, as has been the case in history, they should go down completely.

 

[Tom Wells]

I stand by my assertion that requiring education and licensing will help to clean out the dirt. Why should a corporation that is a licensee be taken out entirely over the conduct of its bad apples?

Unless, of course, with full knowledge of the conduct, they stand firmly behind a bad seed. Then, as has been the case in history, they should go down completely.

Licenses should never be become something to somehow hide behind.

I have a special fondess for the kind of license that simply vaporizes like a mirage as you approach.

I must earn my living daily or not, and do respect those who have earned official licenses and degrees.

Still, licenses and degrees are just milestones and not to be confused with accomplishments.

Quite handy to have, I'd bet.

Not having one simply gives me nothing to hide behind but my own effectiveness.

As in more freedom to fail or succeed by the moment, myself, but not by something which essentially sets up a situation where
failure is endlessly protracted or blocked ( as in unions supporting even the worst employees ).

I almost see it now the same as tatoos. Whose accreditation would I feel was fitting?
I don't identify well enough to have ever figured out what I might get as a tatoo. Maybe a triode symbol.
Professional accreditations, associations often become glorified sets of blinders where it becomes convenient then to not have to try to know about everything/anything else in the world because they know about x.

License, if used as an excuse to be lazy and not grow, is corrosive.

 

[Silkie]

The prospect of licensure in any profession raises all kinds of reasons why it isn't practical, isn't useful, would never work, etc.

In any profession you have a small handful who simply grab money and are completely inept. They can be most effective at making the world a living hell (and take a great deal of pride in doing so), not only for the consumer but for others in their profession who are out there doing a first rate job with their educations and experience.

Again, I stand behind my statement. The biggest and the best individuals are licensed.

 

[Tom Wells]

The prospect of licensure in any profession raises all kinds of reasons why it isn't practical, isn't useful, would never work, etc.

In any profession you have a small handful who simply grab money and are completely inept. They can be most effective at making the world a living hell (and take a great deal of pride in doing so), not only for the consumer but for others in their profession who are out there doing a first rate job with their educations and experience.

Again, I stand behind my statement. The biggest and the best individuals are licensed.

Not any profession. Only those with a body large enough to group around some dependable employment.

Some of the best work I have ever purchased has been done by private individuals, without licenses.

The worst services I have ever received has been from licensed businesses or corporations.

If anything can be professionalized, it then creates groups which "license".
No matter how well intentioned such bodies become corrupt as all entities which seek to control something.
And then, in the "best" of these fields, you're allowed to call it a practice.

It is a byzantine construct, creating controlled monopoly conditions for a special class.
Certainly people feel entitled to rewards from hard study and years of dedication. Agreed.

No degree or license actually demonstrates in any way what one's current dedication to learning is,
or whether one is in a mode of service to others, or to self.
That matters much more in the long run than any blessing applied by any created entity.
Especially if it ( the created construct) tends to accelerate the divsion in classes and class structure.

We see how much fun we are having these days with class.

There's either too much or too little.

 

[Silkie]

There is no such thing as "dependable employment" unless you make your own, and that not on somebody else's dime or time.

Incidentally, a person without a license does not necessarily comply with terms that forbid the taking of the personal or private information of others "gathered", to state it politely, from your company and wreaking havoc on others once away from the job. I am guessing you would consider that coming under the category doing whatever people want once they are off your clock.

 

[Tom Wells]

There is no such thing as "dependable employment" unless you make your own, and that not on somebody else's dime or time.

Incidentally, a person without a license does not necessarily comply with terms that forbid the taking of the personal or private information of others "gathered", to state it politely, from your company and wreaking havoc on others once away from the job. I am guessing you would consider that coming under the category doing whatever people want once they are off your clock.

Almost complete agreement, but looking for the deviation. (Pooh Bear sfx : "Think-think-think...")
Dependable employment for me has been creating a good reputation within a small insular old tech industry. Sound familiar?
At the worst moment of the 2009 collapse I pretty well displaced someone and found a place where I was known as effective.
I thiink I was on my feet in 3 months or so. I am still somewhat conflicted at having bumped someone else,
but there's the whole freedom to suceed or fail argument.

The present situation (mine) would permit the exercise of such freedoms as you suggest but my personal integrity does not permit
destructive or willifully ignorant action. Even as some pretty onerous conditions are accepted as profitable.
I honestly want my employer to succeed and profit, but I put out 5 fires tonight and assured my employers' production while I wonder
how I I'm going to make ends meet. I look pretty silly in gigantic steel toe safety boots, wearing 10 hats stacked to be effective enough
to be valuable. Perform ridiculous climbing/electrical stunts and live to tomorrow? OK, I need to eat.


I do what I do because I love so many aspects of it. I'd do nothing else. I'd be happier if I did not witness the entropy/abuse/devaluation
thing from such an immediate perspective.
The workforce I see daily?
Immigrants of various status and duration, a highly defined hiigherachy where essential, necessary positions and functions are paid across a
scale which perpetuates and enforces polarity. The low end are temp workersdontasknoquestionsOK?

There's the goofy gap I and other "maint" dept. folks fall into, then at the upper end, are old "regyllar guys" (union)
who did their diligence wiping and "jogging sigs" and now run the press, AND earn 6 fig plus *nice* new car costs/yr.

I can't quite resolve the disparity I see in effort/dedication vs payscale that I witness.
There is a disconnect somewhere along the continuum of specialization/generalization that pays well for
having paid for sheepskin or accreditation.
Then comes a dozen terms or metrics to enhance the value of any names of Universities, etc.
Value is a &%#@! to maintain during times of devaluation and decreased novelty.

Why exactly does the FCC 1st not exist any more?
We all know well it became over-issued to those who couldn't tell a load line from a 3 pole filter response curve.

As I see it, the FCC called BS on the whole works, much as they washed their hands of 27 mhz in 1975-6.

Hard to say if it would be better if there were a whole lot more official licensing or none at all.
Probably depends on personal perspective and vision.

 

[Silkie]

And if you had someone on your payroll who is trashing your reputation and abusing the privilege because of selfish ambition, would you keep that person just because of a cheap wage? I am sure that there are a few of those types out there.

As one who has sat for exams after education as well as experience, and have been licensed in more than one field in a profession, I can say with some certainty that it will weed out the trash rather than devalue the profession.

 

[heydaybegone]

As one who has sat for exams after education as well as experience, and have been licensed in more than one field in a profession, I can say with some certainty that it will weed out the trash rather than devalue the profession.

I'm only chiming in..to agree..not to instigate further disruption to this thread. I would just add the word "eventually" to the quote.


HDBG

 

[Silkie]

Yes, agreed; eventually. It rarely takes long, however.

 

[Capulet]

I blame it on the music. There's not enough classic rock. They need to play more great Foreigner songs like " Feels Like The First Time " and Journey classics like " Don't Stop Believing " and Areosmith's " Dream On ".

 

[Capulet]

One more.

Radio used to have those announcers with the big deep loud voices who sort of growled at you. That was cool. Thats was R-O-C-K! Seems like they got rid of that.

 

[Silkie]

You are talking about personalities who were not strung out, jonesing with snotty noses half the time while hmph hmph-ing at normal people, and who were not so busy with an agenda other than radio that they sucked.

The music is good if you have the personalities on the air who know how to work.

 

[heydaybegone]

The music is good if you have the personalities on the air who know how to work.

And the thread comes full circle.
It goes back to the heyday when the talent was talented. No one has carried it on from generation to generation. And the best are retiring, heading to the Station in the Sky (WGOD). The neewbies haven't a clue..cause they aren't ALLOWED to (damn consultants) and...the good veterans ARENT going to train their replacements (like back in the day)...and BTW...did I mention the BEST show up on the balance sheet, and that expense is a razor sharp cut.

HDBG

Commentary: I still believe it's the alternatives available today causing issues.

 

[Silkie]

You can actually do a show these days by sending a signal to your server from a droid...from anywhere.

 

[Bob1370]

Capulet previously opined, "I blame it on the music. There's not enough classic rock. They need to play more great Foreigner songs like " Feels Like The First Time " and Journey classics like " Don't Stop Believing " and Areosmith's " Dream On "."

I trust Capulet was speaking with tongue firmly implanted in cheek. Otherwise, LMAO! Those are typical of the crispy critters classic rock and classic hits stations love to play. What you need is fewer burned-out tunes, voice tracks and liner-readers (who themselves are often tracked) and more live personalities playing different, interesting music and sounding like they're having fun while doing it. In short, go back to the future, do it like they did it back in the day when radio was a real part of people's lives, and inject a little excitement and a lot of personality and wit into the mix.

 

[jfrancispastirchak]

One more.

Radio used to have those announcers with the big deep loud voices who sort of growled at you. That was cool. Thats was R-O-C-K! Seems like they got rid of that.

These days they'll hire a two-headed troll who sounds like Mini Mouse on helium, as long as he/she has a communications degree.