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The Doghouse with JV and Elvis WFNY 92.3 Free Fm

NorthStar007 said:
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RE: O/A

Morning drive in NYC = not too shabby.
Syndicated throughout the country and on XM = not too shabby

Personally, I'm not compelled to keep listening, but I respect what they've been able to accomplish.

Same goes for the Doghouse - I haven't been excited by their content lately, but respect their success in SF, and the fact that they've convinced CBS to give 'em a shot in NYC.

Both shows could benefit from a bit of humbling and a return of the energy which helped launched their success. Both shows appear to have fallen victim to their egos.
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The difference that I see is that The Doghouse was Number 1 for 10+ years in SF. O & A can claim that in any market, for 10 years. So I give the respect to JV and Elvis. Middays and Morning Drive are different worlds, I think O & A know this and know how hard it is to do good in NY. They always talk about Howard taking the money, but that is what they did also coming back to the company that fired them and made sure they were out of radio for 2 years.
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Tony -

I am really getting sick of the misinformation and other crap you're spreading in this thread.

1) O&A didn't get work for 2 years because they were still under contract. The only way CBS would let them out of their contract is if they signed away the right to talk about Stern and CBS and what happened during sex for sam. If they mentioned any of those three things, CBS could come after them.

O&A were offered a small-to-medium market rollout by Citadel, but they didn't want that, because they knew their bread and butter was in NYC, Boston, and Philly. So they explored XM and Sirius.

As for NYC stations that were going to pick up O&A when they came back... the only possible option in October 2004 was Q104. Don't act like there was a ton of possibilities that O&A could broadcast from in NYC. There wasn't.

2) The reason why O&A can't lay claim to being #1 in the same market for 10 years is because they have never been in the same market for 10 years. Hell, they've only been actively broadcasting as a team for about 10 years... They were in Long Island for a few years, then Boston, then New York, then the 2 year hiatus, then XM/CBS for the past two.

However, they CAN lay claim to being #1 in NYC, Boston, and Philly. Sorry, your boys can't do that.

3) O&A don't have a loyal fanbase on XM. Right.

If O&A weren't successful, and didn't create a buzz...

- XM wouldn't have them under contract for the next three years

- CBS wouldn't have spent MORE money to put the O&A show in place. They would have gone with something else. CBS isn't afraid to pull the plug on a massive money loser. Blink is an example of this. They saw O&A as a way to turn things around, SINCE THEY HAVE A PROVEN TRACK RECORD.

- Citadel, who has nothing to lose, SYNDICATED O&A AS WELL!


Tony, you are forgetting that most radio personalities are ego-driven. Opie said multiple times on XM that this "wasn't over" until their voices were heard on WNEW again. He didn't get WNEW, but I think broadcasting from K-Rock in Howard's old studio is good enough.

Stop with the heresay, conjecture, and other BS that you're trying to spread in order to show that JV&E is the superior show. It's NOT going to work.
 
Star,

They were kept off the air for 2 years for a reason. Yes they were under contract with CBS and they were the ones that wanted to make sure they stayed off the air. WBAB on Long Island is really not a major NY station. It is ok for the Long Island Market, this is the station where "Your Boys started", oh right nights. Opie by himself and then Anthony came from working as a A/C duct installer. I still laugh at the video of Anthony going onto the Stern show. Why did you not add the fact that they were fired from the Boston station because they reported that the Mayor of Boston was dead( oh that's right they only do the truth). Another one of many lies of the pests. Just face it, they wanted to be Stern, but just could never do it. Oh that's right they come back to market one and get fired again for having a couple have sex in a church. What is the old saying....>The truth will set you free.
 
"They were kept off the air for 2 years for a reason. Yes they were under contract with CBS and they were the ones that wanted to make sure they stayed off the air."


Right because Infinity knew if they let them out of their contract clear channel would pick them up in a heartbeat and they would have dusted any afternoon drive show they could have mustered up or went to morning and taken away a large portion of Howies audience

"WBAB on Long Island is really not a major NY station. It is ok for the Long Island Market, this is the station where "Your Boys started", oh right nights."

Everyone starts at night...you don't graduate college and get handed a morning drive time slot. This show your general lack of knowledge when it comes to radio

"Opie by himself and then Anthony came from working as a A/C duct installer."

Your point? Does everyone have to go to broadcasting school to be funny? You prefering JV and Elvis to O & A is starting to make sense

"I still laugh at the video of Anthony going onto the Stern show."

Do ya???

" Why did you not add the fact that they were fired from the Boston station because they reported that the Mayor of Boston was dead( oh that's right they only do the truth). Another one of many lies of the pests."

Um its well known thats why they were fired in Boston... no pest would ever deny that... O & A mention it in pretty much every interview and have talked about it on the show plenty of times... your showing your general lack of knowledge again


"Just face it, they wanted to be Stern, but just could never do it."

They have millions more listeners then Howie these days and thats not a unsubstantiated make believe fallacy like you throw out... that is documented fact...

"Oh that's right they come back to market one and get fired again for having a couple have sex in a church".

They did not come back to market one, WNEW was there first gig in Market one. Wrong again

"What is the old saying....>The truth will set you free."

I love guys who use cliches... especially ones that have no relevance to the topic at hand...


Tony you have been proven completely wrong... you are not objective... your agenda have been exposed.. I am done with you...
 
This is from dcrtv.com

"Inside the numbers in NYC... 18-34: O&A finish in 7th and September was a 2.9 rating. Whoopi had a 3.4 rating. 25-54: O&A finish 11th and September was a 2.5 rating. Whoopi had a 2.9 rating. Great move CBS, even Whoopi who has never done radio is beating these two guys now. -- Brett (10/16/06)"


Enough said!!!!
 
First off, let me say that I am not against O and A, but if those numbers are true. They don't seem to be having much impact. Not saying that they are the reason Free FM isn't working, but I just think perhaps the format as a whole does not work.

Yeah. I do understand you have to give it time to grow, but if Whoopi is beating O and A? What else is there to say?

No matter how you slice it, O and A always bag on Howard, but they can't carry a station. Stern did that. The rest of KRock wasn't much, but Stern put it on his back.
 
I think K-Rock outside of Stern had better numbers than Free-FM has outside of O&A. Today on the O&A show, it was discussed how fast 92.3 is sinking.
 
Tony9000 said:
This is from dcrtv.com

"Inside the numbers in NYC... 18-34: O&A finish in 7th and September was a 2.9 rating. Whoopi had a 3.4 rating. 25-54: O&A finish 11th and September was a 2.5 rating. Whoopi had a 2.9 rating. Great move CBS, even Whoopi who has never done radio is beating these two guys now. -- Brett (10/16/06)"


Enough said!!!!
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Those numbers are 25-54 total. Not Men 25-54. Little bit of a difference, considering the appeal of Whoopi to women and that people actually, you know, listened to KTU before Whoopi came on board. Free-FM after Howard left was the definition of "purge".


Also, don't forget that the numbers that you're quoting also includes the first hour of JV and Elvis. Since I doubt that they are pulling higher numbers than O&A, your boys are actually 25 percent responsible and are probably dragging them down.

Nice try to spin, though.
 
well the fact is that O&A have their Xm audience switching to fm to get the ratings then jumping back to XM so of course once they go off the air on fm the numbers would be lower. Either way I dont care about #'s I like the doghouse [EDIT]

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what bad word did I say? I dunno but either way O&A aren't team players they have never been. They think their ISH don't stink. The doghouse promotes all the other shows and O&A never do.They tells their audience to basically buy XM.They think just because they are in the morning they are howard or have howards power and management doesn't agree with them on that and today was probably the 3rd time they got their ass handed to them by tom for talking ish. They won't last long on free fm or on fm period if they don't wake up and do whats right
 
Today JV and Elvis said they respect all the shows on WFNY. O&A need to work with the other shows. As for the 9-10am hour they are dragging listeners to XM and XM will not give up those listeners. I am not sure how this is all working for XM, but it does not seem to be working well for WFNY.
 
Ron and fez would do half of what the dog house does. I use to listen to R&F everyday but I didnt follow them to xm and niether did half their audience which from what i remember from wnew days was nothing.

Also you have to talk into consideration that most people get into work by 9, and can't listen past that. Either way I don''t care for numbers My ears aren't lying O&A stink. According to their forums many their fans are starting to pissed by how they have changed and aren't funny.
 
joeynox said:
Ron and fez would do half of what the dog house does. I use to listen to R&F everyday but I didnt follow them to xm and niether did half their audience which from what i remember from wnew days was nothing.

Also you have to talk into consideration that most people get into work by 9, and can't listen past that. Either way I don''t care for numbers My ears aren't lying O&A stink. According to their forums many their fans are starting to pissed by how they have changed and aren't funny.
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Wow, that post is idiotic. You obviously know nothing about Ron and Fez, because if you did, you'd realize that R&F didn't go directly from WNEW to XM.

In order to keep their jobs, they had to go to DC at WJFK after WNEW blew up. When O&A came back to XM, and had PROVEN SUCCESS AT XM, O&A, Eatman, Ron and Fez, and Logan orchestrated a deal to get R&F off WJFK and over to XM. R&F left WJFK by choice.

Although Ron and Fez didn't have gangbuster ratings at WNEW, the entire station was crippled and poorly run. The only two shows at WNEW that were showing any kind of audience growth were O&A and R&F. That's it.

I'll admit something right now... I'm selfish. I love listening to O&A, and the only thing I'd like more is to be able to hear Ron and Fez in a different time slot - and if the rumor that R&F are getting their own channel in November when 202 becomes "The Virus" is true, then everyone's happy and I won't care about JV & Elvis.
 
I do know R&F moved around i use to download their show on the web to listen before they went to xm but theres no way they are gonna replace the doghouse and bust in with great ratings like O&A think they will.. It takes tim to get ratings if your not a big name in a new market and O&A are a big name because of their past and because of sex for sam.they wouldn't be as big if it wasn't for that.They got known all over the country because that story was everywhere. Put O&A in drive time slot where they use to be and their show would be much better.They aren't a morning show.
 
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Yes I understand that what you have posted is illegal if true. it is against arbiton rules that you post the numbers. I forgot, you are a pest and you can do as you wish. Well not really, because you have been reported to this board and others for posting what you should not post. Or if you have written rights to post, well then that is fine.


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Hey Tony9000-

Why would you try and get the posted data removed? Are you afraid that the truth will make your dog-crush look bad?

Tony - The truth shall set you free. Let the truth remain posted!

LMFAO
 
whats the ratings for the highest rated midday show?O&A need to become team players and suport the station instead of saying seeya. They never said promoted the rest of the shows. Even howard who I hate did that.
 
LMFAO said:
Hey Tony9000-

Why would you try and get the posted data removed? Are you afraid that the truth will make your dog-crush look bad?

Tony - The truth shall set you free. Let the truth remain posted!

LMFAO
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Sorry not at all, the truth is that these numbers can not be listed on this site, worst part is that they might not be true. It is illegal to post these numbers. So let the truth be posted free. If you have the right to post the numbers, then it is all good, but if you are posting without that right, well then let the chips fall where they may.


As it goes O&A are only doing what it is, with 18-24 male, really nice, not. The trend for most stations is to talke in the most people that they can. Like Whoopie doing better number then O&A in the total 18-25 demo. I know, you only want male for WFNY, that is BS, they want the TOTAL DEMO if they can.

All the best
 
Actually, most personalities and Program Directors, that I'm aware of, are bonused for success in a specific target demo. The reason that companies bonus for success in those demos, is because those are the demos which they are presenting to adverstising agencies. Agencies don't buy the 12+ numbers, they buy the demos.

The 12+ numbers are an interesting barometer of how a station/show is doing, and can certainly give us an idea of a show's health. However, that is not what O/A or The Doghouse or any show is graded on.
 
"Ron and fez would do half of what the dog house does."

You are basing this on what research? Please provide.

"I use to listen to R&F everyday but I didnt follow them to xm and niether did half their audience which from what i remember from wnew days was nothing".

Not entirely true they were showing an uptick (that is fact) before sex for sam despite constant timeslot adjustments and station mismanagement

"Also you have to talk into consideration that most people get into work by 9, and can't listen past that."

Howard pulled great numbers in the 9 - 10 hour on the same station. So much for that argument

"Either way I don''t care for numbers"

Advertisers do and like it or not money makes the world go round and O & A have numbers and JV and Elvis don't

" My ears aren't lying O&A stink."

Your opinion shows your bias and that you are posting based on your dislike of O & A not fact.

"According to their forums many their fans are starting to pissed by how they have changed and aren't funny".

Another uniformed statement with no statistical research to back it up. I know its the internet and people are free to post what they want but your posts are biased and not based in fact so they should not be treated as such. You have been called out and embarrassed. I am done with you.
 
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