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The end of internet radio in July?

I think going silent is stupid, listeners will just go elsewhere to stations that aren't participating.

That being said, I was planning to run long form programming, either produced by myself or pre-recorded like someone else posted on here a while back.

I don't see how turning your stream off does anything, if people haven't been paying much attention to the PSAs we've been running, then they will assume you are having technical problems and you'll just have lost revenue/listeners for that day.
 
gunterm wrote: "...I think going silent [for one day] is stupid..."

So being forced, instead, to go silent from July 15th, 2007 until the end of 2010 is smarter?

In unity there is strength.
 
First off, thats a stupid arguement. You assume going silent will actually work. And second, regardless of what happens I'm not going silent at all.
 
So tell me how you will be able to afford to pay the new rates?

Or are you even a legal operator?

The "Day of Silence" is designed to grab media attention. Non-participants such as you simply make the massage everyone else is trying to send less effective. Thanks.

And your station may gain a reputation as being out for itself only.
 
First off asswipe, I'm going to participate by running long-form programming or a PSA loop. The point is, I'm NOT going silent. The listeners are going to have it drummed into their heads that day that we are in trouble...

And yes, we are currently legally operating.
 
gunterm said:
First off, thats a stupid arguement. You assume going silent will actually work. And second, regardless of what happens I'm not going silent at all.

I think it might work in bringing home a sense of loss that would occur if the CRB rates proceed, at least for the 29 million Americans who listen to internet radio. Hopefully, it will also be felt by the artists who rely on web radio to get their music played. They need to put more pressure on the RIAA to call off SoundExchange's aggressive campaign against the bills circulating on Capitol Hill.

But that's why I asked about terrestrial radio stations who stream their content. If they don't go along with this day of silence it will dilute the impact of it and might reinforce the notion that established, licensed radio is still the best way to hear radio, whether OTA or via the internet.

db
 
The NAB is on the same side in this one. We shouldn't assume that terrestrial streamers won't be participating.

Any media reporters who tune in your station and don't hear any SILENCE that day may assume there is a lack of unity. Perhaps, you may want to add many moments of silence into your day's special programming. Remember, the most important target audience that day will be media reporters and bloggers.

IDEA: You could contact your local city's media outlets and get some free publicity by having them localize the story through your "locally-based" station. I can see it now - a television reporter does a live shot from your Internet station, showing an interview with you about the "Day of Silence" with your station in the background. Do you have a huge banner that you can place in the background of that shot?

Then again, you'd actually have to go silent for awhile if you believe in "truth in advertising."
 
It can't hurt to throw in SOME silence, but it's not a good idea for it to last a long time. I haven't exactly hammered out what I'll be doing. If the long form programming doesn't pan out it'll be a PSA loop with silence in between, possibly 5 minutes or so.
 
That sounds like it could work.

Don't pass up the chance to get your radio station in the news on that day. This will be a big, legitimate news story - affecting millions of people. You can''t buy that kind of free publicity.

Today's National Association of Broadcasters "Smartbrief" email newsletter is trumpeting this headline: "Webcasts will go silent Tuesday to protest royalty hike". Many traditional radio streamers will go silent for a day. Ace them out by getting into the day's news.
 
vsa said:
So tell me how you will be able to afford to pay the new rates?

Or are you even a legal operator?

The "Day of Silence" is designed to grab media attention. Non-participants such as you simply make the massage everyone else is trying to send less effective. Thanks.

And your station may gain a reputation as being out for itself only.
As someone that has been involved in the Internet Broadcasting Biz for about 8 years now I can tell you that internet radio listeners are almost as fickle as terrestrial radio listeners... the passionate ones (the P1's if you will) are excellent, but there are a large number that are very marginal. With that in mind, I fail to see how it is a good idea to turn your streams off and give an already fickle audience the opportunity to tune elsewhere or utilize other media.

If you play dead-air/carrier what good does that do? Suppose I'm a casual radio listener and attempt to listen to your station and I hear nothing or get an error because you've switched off the stream... I am going to go to another stream or ... shutter... turn on terrestrial radio, satellite radio or my own personal music library. I can predict your response to that... "but if everyone shuts their streams off..." Don't live in fantasy land, the rent is real steep there.
gunterm said:
It can't hurt to throw in SOME silence, but it's not a good idea for it to last a long time. I haven't exactly hammered out what I'll be doing. If the long form programming doesn't pan out it'll be a PSA loop with silence in between, possibly 5 minutes or so.
No. Silence of any kind equates to tune outs, period. I know that everyone wants to have this grandiose ideology that internet radio listeners are somehow more sophisticated than terrestrial radio listeners... and to some extent they may be, but your message is lost in cheap gimmicky parlor tricks such as these. If you wish to get the message out there, run PSAs, do your long-form programming, but actively giving people reasons to tune out without sending any message (aside from simply turning the streams off--or utilizing silence) is one that will be lost on the AVERAGE listener, and that's what this is about. After all, your savvy P1 listener already knows about the CRB, they are well aware of the issues facing the business, so your message needs to appeal to the broad base of average/casual listeners. Again, I fail to see how turning off a stream gets the message across to the casual listener.

As for the proposed royalty rates: Anyone that actually believes that the RIAA will adhere to those royalty rates is getting themselves worked up needlessly. A couple of reasons support my statement: 1) The company I work for has, in total, 40,000-50,000 concurrent listeners at peak hours, we would never be able to afford millions of dollars in royalties, therefore no one else likely would either. 2) If no one can pay, then the rates are unenforceable, because most stations are not paying royalties in the first place, so only a few companies (out of fear) would take their streams down, while a vast majority will remain on the air.

Sadly, most people in the internet radio business have the same or worse mindsets than those in terrestrial radio; they believe that gimmicks are the answer over substance... style is better than content is essentially what they're saying... bad idea.
 
Not sure if it was mentioned, but so far, 119 out of 200 senators have now co-sponsored the Internet Radio Equality Act. That's about 3 out of every 5 Senators! (Source: CapWiz/SaveNetRadio.org)

As far as my station participating in the "Day of Silence" - mine's usually silent on Tuesdays to start with (weekend broadcaster).
 
KMGX wrote: "...I fail to see how turning off a stream gets the message across to the casual listener..."

The purpose of the "Day of Silence" is to have a cumulative effect that hits the news media. The bigger the story, the bigger the effect on decision makers.

The RIAA sues students and grandmothers. Believe me, they'll sue scofflaw webcasters at the drop of a hat.
 
DToTheJ said:
Not sure if it was mentioned, but so far, 119 out of 200 senators have now co-sponsored the Internet Radio Equality Act. That's about 3 out of every 5 Senators! (Source: CapWiz/SaveNetRadio.org)

As far as my station participating in the "Day of Silence" - mine's usually silent on Tuesdays to start with (weekend broadcaster).

I'm sure you meant to write "representatives", not "senators". There are only 100 senators. There are 435 representives in Congress.
 
Learn about the Internet radio "Day of Silence" at the link below.

http://www.kurthanson.com/

It's set for Tuesday, June 26, 2007. There are a variety of ways webcasters will be doing this. Check out some ideas - ranging from total silence to something less than that.

Participants include small, medium and large Internet-only, AM and FM streaming and public radio webcasters.
 
Here's an idea: Air a loop of Rosie O'Donnell for 24 hours! It would be the derivative of silence, but it certainly would be as entertaining as what Internet Radio will be come July 15!
 
vsa said:
The NAB is on the same side in this one. We shouldn't assume that terrestrial streamers won't be participating.

As I suspected, the majority of radio conglomerates who stream have not committed to joining the Day of Silence, according to Jerry Del Colliano. Only two are going silent: Greater Media and Cox.

http://insidemusicmedia.blogspot.com/2007/06/radios-sounds-of-silence.html

In view of what is at stake, it would be a foolish of CC and the others to not join this fight. They do have "dog" in it.

db
 
dbdigital said:
vsa said:
The NAB is on the same side in this one. We shouldn't assume that terrestrial streamers won't be participating.

As I suspected, the majority of radio conglomerates who stream have not committed to joining the Day of Silence, according to Jerry Del Colliano. Only two are going silent: Greater Media and Cox.

http://insidemusicmedia.blogspot.com/2007/06/radios-sounds-of-silence.html

In view of what is at stake, it would be a foolish of CC and the others to not join this fight. They do have "dog" in it.

db

To that list, you can add Lincoln Financial Media stations in Atlanta, Miami, Denver and San Diego.
 
dbdigital said:
vsa said:
The NAB is on the same side in this one. We shouldn't assume that terrestrial streamers won't be participating.

As I suspected, the majority of radio conglomerates who stream have not committed to joining the Day of Silence, according to Jerry Del Colliano. Only two are going silent: Greater Media and Cox.

http://insidemusicmedia.blogspot.com/2007/06/radios-sounds-of-silence.html

In view of what is at stake, it would be a foolish of CC and the others to not join this fight. They do have "dog" in it.

db

On the noncommercial side, WUMB (UMass-Boston, "Folk Radio") tells its listeners on its website that it is NOT going silent today, but also says it won't be able to stay on the Internet if the fee structure proposed for July 15 goes into effect, so it provides links to Kurt Hanson's website and a couple of others. Apparently, this station also feels the Day of Silence is, as another poster put it, a cheap parlor trick, and would annoy most of its listeners rather than get them off their duffs and writing to their senators (all "200" of them) or representatives.
 
I don't know if this is coincidence or not (although I'd like to think that the "Day of Silence" has played a part in it) but the House Small Business Committee is conducting a hearing on Thursday to examine the impact that the CRB’s royalty rate increase will have on both artists and small Webcasters. Testimony will be heard from witnesses that sit on both sides of the issue.

Below is the news release.

*Hearing: Assessing the Impact of the Copyright Royalty Board Decision
to Increase Royalty Rates on Recording Artists and Small Webcasters***



WASHINGTON - The House Committee on Small Business will hold a hearing
entitled/ “//Assessing the Impact of the Copyright Royalty Board
Decision to Increase Royalty Rates on Recording Artists and
Webcasters.”/ Small Webcasters that provide daily music entertainment
to individuals nationwide will be at risk of going silent on July 15,
after an increase in royalty rates from the Copyright Royalty Board
(CRB) comes into effect.

The hearing will examine the decision to raise rates, the impact it will
have on Internet Radio, and the challenges of providing fair
compensation for copyright owners while maintaining a business
environment that allow small Webcasters to thrive. The committee will
hear testimony from various Internet Radio outlets, as well as music
artists that stand on both sides of the issue.



_When:_ *Thursday, **June 28*

10 a.m.



_Where:_ *2360 Rayburn House Office Building*

db
 
Apparently there is no chance that the Internet Radio Equality Act will be voted on before the July 15 deadline. But I did find this quote from one of its sponsors encouraging:

"However, bill sponsor Rep. Jay Inslee (D-WA) told the paper (Los Angeles Times) he would continue to fight for it, adding, "We're just not going to let this nascent industry die and we're not going to let people's websites go blank."

http://fmqb.com/Article.asp?id=429720

db
 
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