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The great translator invasion… of Pensacola

While writing a big long update for my website's blog (which you can read here if you're interested in what's happening in Alabama & the Gulf Coast) I began to realize that none of the info on Pensacola translators was in one spot. So I am posting this so we can have one place to go to for all the updates & wildly rampant speculation. This is what I have so far:

W277CC - 103.3 - relays Divine Word Catholic Radio WDWR - on air

W266AL - 101.1 - relays ESPN 1450 WBSR - CP issued but still on air from the TV 44 tower with WBHY-FM
W293BA - 106.5 - to relay news/talk WNRP - CP issued but off air
W295AP - 106.9 - to relay urban AC WRNE - CP issued but off air

W246BN - 97.1 - relays Cat Country WYCT - still in Atmore, possible move-in
W221CD - 92.1 - relays WSTF Andalusia - CP issued to move to 92.3, pick up WBHY-FM, move to Flomaton area

So right now we've got one on, three waiting to get built out and two more possible move-ins.

The newest one to pique my interest is W221CD; it has a permit to change to W222BR on 92.3 MHz, which would allow it to shoehorn into the Pensacola market if my hunch is correct. The CP is for 250 watts from Pollard, near Flomaton. I think some careful planning could have this thing in Pensacola in just two hops. Wouldn't it be great for WEBY or WCOA-AM to get this thing?

W266AL is still broadcasting from the TV 44 tower. I went to Pensacola three times in two days this week and it's lost the WBHY feed and is just dead air. Despite the enormous coverage area on paper, it's really, really ratty sounding. It's weak and gets lots of QRM from TK 101 for some reason. I hope that isn't the case when it's built out in Pensacola, because it's going to be running much less power. Even with a straight line view to the TV 44 tower I couldn't get it clearly whilst driving US-98 between Elberta and Lillian.

W246BN in Atmore hasn't gone anywhere, so I am beginning to think it's DOA. The fact that Cat Country is the parent makes me hold out hope that it may move eventually. I think it would fit in Pensacola but there aren't many AM stations left if the rest go on air as planned.

There was a time when I figured that, barring any interest from AM stations, these translators could pick up something from an HD subchannel as is popular in Montgomery and Birmingham, but there doesn't seem to be much interest in that in this area for some reason. Clear Channel Mobile recently upgraded the antenna for Rocket & Lite Mix and never bothered to turn the HD back on for 99.9. 96.1 has returned and it works a LOT better now, no more dropouts while sitting still. But WNTM was only on the HD-2 for a week or so before it mysteriously disappeared. The Pensacola-targeted stations aren't doing much better. The generic alternative iHeartRadio thing on TK101-2 continues to languish in sub-AM audio quality, and the smooth jazz on 107.3-2 chugs away, but there doesn't seem to be any interest in doing anything to get these on translators in town. I still think Cumulus is missing a HUGE opportunity to do something with their HD feeds on WDLT and WBLX. They still have no subchannels.

Look at that, I managed to go off topic on my inaugural post. This should be fun. :)
 
Other than radio geeks like us, or translator simulcasts. HD will be a dead issue for some time. The public just doesn't care.
 
W246BN - 97.1 - relays Cat Country WYCT

This one is a massive puzzle. The registered owner is Omni, the infamous Ron Hale. Problem is Hale has nothing to feed this translator in the Pensacola market. Also if you look at its history it started out licensed to Bay Minette and has hopped a couple times AWAY from Pensacola. Hale does own an AM in Evergreen which would appear to be the logical destination of this translator if it is to relay a station owned by Omni, but Hale also sells every station he buys. I'd say the mystery to W246BN - 97.1 is why hasn't Hale made any attempt to move this translator toward Pensacola where it would have the highest cash value? If he eventually gets it to Evergreen it would greatly increase the value of his AM station there. I'd say the future of 97.1 is completely unpredictable at this point and its only future under current ownership in the Pensacola market depends on the future of dark 1490 AM in Milton... and the current status of 1490 is another mystery.

My guess is that W246BN - 97.1 is for sale and has an interested buyer keeping the translator stuck in its current location. If Hale can't get the price he wants he'll try to get it to Evergreen in order to sell his AM there for a premium price.

Has anyone ever verified that this translator has ever been on the air?
 
poledo said:
Has anyone ever verified that this translator has ever been on the air?

It was not on the air when I visited Atmore last, back in December. I'd forgotten Hale still owns the Evergreen station. It's doing music now with standards or nostalgia music as "Legends 1470". I guess 97.1 could just as easily end up there as Pensacola. IF it ever moves.

It's worth noting that Omni Broadcasting is also the licensee of the 92.1/92.3 translator. Think he might want to pair it with his silent AM in Milton?
 
Omni is in the business of selling stations. I'd be willing to bet ADX would light up HD 2&3 channels on 98.7 if they could get some Pensacola translators and they do own the WNRP tower downtown. I'm also not counting out Cumulus even though they've already been screwed by Hale on the Highway 98.1 deal. Sometimes business is business. the 106.1 tower site would work great for a couple 250 watters and Cumulus (or Clear Channel) wouldn't have any problems finding a feed for a translator at the WRRX site.

Does Hale actually own 1490 in Milton? I don't think he does and I don't think 1490 has a useable antenna or ground system. That site was seriously damaged in a wind storm like 5 years back. I wonder what it would take to get it back online or how hard it would be to get the FCC to allow a move of 1490 to WEBY 1330's old tower site on Printers Alley in Milton? That would also be a nice location for a translator.

Another thought. Someone is spending money on WBSR ESPN 1450/101.1. 1490 and a Pace/Milton translator would make a very interesting combo/simulcast for WBSR.
 
I don't understand the point of translators that only can be heard for a few miles. Why don't they put ESPN on 106.1 since now, it seems to be simulcasting 104 24/7 now. We all know that AM can barely be heard at night.

The only small station I can hear is the one that's broadcasting WAY FM on 88.9 FM out of Gulf Breeze.

-Rob
 
Hey Rob, that WAY FM translator only puts out about 20 watts and it has great coverage, doesn't it? ESPN 1450 WBSR is applying to put a 250 watt translator on top of their AM tower. That translator will have about the same coverage area on 101.1 FM that 1450 has on AM. See the point? The FM translator won't lose coverage at night. Many more people will be able to listen and will accidentally stumble upon the station while scanning or seeking on FM. I just bought a new radio for one of my trucks. I put it in the dash and the darn thing doesn't have AM!

A better question would be: Why is the FCC forcing ESPN to keep the 1450 AM signal on the air for the privilege of simulcasting on 101.1 FM?

Also ESPN 1450/101.1 is locally owned. 106.1 is owned by Cumulus and is not for sale.
 
There's definitely some advocacy for shutting down the AMs that acquire FM translators to lessen band crowding but I doubt anything will ever come of it. Sometimes it seems like the FCC is happy with the jumbled mess it is, especially at night. With fewer and fewer radios including AM and the awareness of the band in the basement for anyone under 65, moving to FM in some form is the only way some of these stations can continue to survive.

The translators can put a pretty impressive signal if they're capable, close to that of a full class A; they can't exceed certain metrics of the parent AM signal, and in WBSR's case that is the limiting factor, so it won't be able to go the full shebang 250 watts.

There are few if any AMs in our region that have strong signals that exceed a 250 watt translator's reach. WBHY 840 in Mobile springs to mind but it's also a daytimer and the translator on the WBHY-FM tower gives them a 24 hour signal.

I think the limiting factor in Pensacola is height above ground level and terrain thanks to all the air traffic. The WDWZ translator is currently the tallest translator in the area at just around 430 feet AGL, taller than any of the LPTVs as far as I know. I doubt anyone will get a better signal than them, even if it's from the Industrial Rd tower or the one behind the jail.
 
Translators in Pensacola are going to face another major issue, tropo off of the Gulf. One good thing about having the Fort Walton FMs is that it's not always possible to pick up the Baldwin County stations durring tropo, but you can almost always pick up at least one of the two markets. The tropo issue is what makes me think a FM translator simulcast on different frequencies would be a smart enough idea to make it worth purchasing 1490 and a second translator for WBSR. Chances are that one of the two signals would be audible in Pensacola durring seasonal tropo. Hot tropo will wipe out everyone except WRRX and maybe 107.3 if they still have a backup transmitter to light up in Cantonment.

1400 in FWB is a 1000 watt station just like WBSR. I believe the 94.3 translator in FWB is 225 watts from 450 feet. If I've got that height close I would assume 1450's short tower could pump out the whole 250.
Of course WCOA-AM, and WEBY (and WNVY?) have big enough signals to go 250 from the top of the WRRX tower and ADX can add HD 2&3 feeds to 98.7 if they can find a taller tower or better location for 106.5, otherwise 1620's 10kw daytime signal is plenty to feed 250 from the ADX tower downtown on Palafox St. 1620's signal is somewhat limited for an XBand station because they only installed half of a typical ground system. The tower is on a small plot of real estate. I assume its tall enough for a 250 watt 106.5 to cover Pensacola and Gulf Breeze (should reach Pace too) but since they can not move up to 106.7 they won't stand a chance out near Perdido Key due to 106.5C2 in Daphne.
Actually, do you think the WNRP tower and the WBQP tower are far enough apart for adjacent channel translators?
 
For whatever reason 101.1 isn't going to be the full 250 watts. Maybe the ground conductivity is better in FWB so that other station covers more ground? 1450 has always struck me as a woefully pitiful signal, just like 1620. Back in the soft AC days on 1450 I used to lose it at night around Navy & New Warrington on the west side of town. Nowhere near the end of the urbanization. 1620 at night is just as bad. It's definitely an under-performer. Shame they skimped on the ground radials and tower electrical height.

BTW, I'm hearing ESPN 1450 on 101.1 now. Did they move it to the 1450 tower that quickly?! It was just a few days ago there was dead air from the TV 44 tower. The coverage along the Foley Beach Express was choppy but good enough to ID. Like the Catholic station, I can get it at home in town if I position the antenna "just so", but not without a layer of static.
 
Yep! WBSR ESPN 101.1 is on from Downtown Pensacola! Stronger signal than WDWR 103.3 too (103.3 has some pops and cracks but 101.1 is crystal clear, I don't own a radio with a signal strength meter on it anymore). Also 106.5 is on with silence (is that called open carrier by radio geeks?) unless some strange tropo/skip thing is happening. Crystal clear silence stopping the scan on 106.5. Nothing on 106.9 though.

I'be been listening to mp3s for the past week or two. Don't have a clue when they may have turned on the lightbulb over there.
 
poledo said:
Also 106.5 is on with silence (is that called open carrier by radio geeks?) unless some strange tropo/skip thing is happening.

I just call it "a waste of power". :D

Is it me or is the 106.5 translator permit showing it will be located on the WDWR tower along with 103.3!? That's weird. I figured they'd put it on the 1620 tower since they own it. It's one I won't be able to check on myself because even at greatly reduced power WAVH booms in here on my "good" radio. I can't null it out.
 
The towers are about two city blocks apart. I guess it might be cheaper to diplex two signals off the same antenna though? I assume WDWR owns their tower? It's not used for anything else as far as I know. Strangest thing about WDWR is that their station address is a nursing home. I don't believe they have any studios. WDWR's tower is not as new and shiny as the WNRP tower and it's down in a hole. I don't know which one has the highest HAAT for an FM antenna.
 
According to my calculations, the translator for WDWR is 390 feet AGL. The entire height of the WNRP tower is just under 183 feet. The height above sea level is also lower for WNRP's tower, so it's safe to say it probably has a lower HAAT than the WDWR tower. (HAAT calculations aren't provided by default for translators.)

I reckon the cost of leasing space on the WDWR tower is cheap enough to justify its use versus their own tower, which would probably not cover the city that well due to its height. Something tells me the WNRP tower is so short that it wouldn't allow for use of a full 250 watt translator, but I have no solid data to back that up.

The 106.5 and 103.3 translators will almost certainly be diplexed since they both have the same AGL and ASL numbers on Radio-Locator. Strangely enough, if you call up the coordinates for either translator and then for WDWR, they're in different locations. WDWR's coordinates are off by a good 50-100 feet. The translator ones are correct.

If you get a chance, poledo, do keep me posted on the 106.5 translator situation. If it's on the air it may not be long before it's "hooked up" so to speak!
 
Today the tropo is wild from the east and 106.5 from Apalichicola is on the dial in Pens. I can not confirm that a signal from Pens was causing the silence on 106.5 last night.
I can absolutely confirm that WBSR is hot on 101.1 from downtown Pens.
With WDWR being a non profit it would seem to be a very easy deal for ADX to pay for the equipment and installation cost of the 103.3 translator in exchange for use of space on the taller tower.
With these locations, HAAT or height above ground would be irrelevant. The only number that matters here is height above sea level. The WNRP tower is rather short and in my mind's eye the 1230 tower is much taller but it is downhill from the WNRP tower.
 
ESPN/Pcola on 101.1 sounds great in the metro. I was curious about the line in one of the promos that said "twice the reach" or something to that effect. So, I put it to the test as I drove out to Wilcox Rd to stock up on porn and fireworks. 101.1 becomes highly tough to listen to right about the state line, while the AM daytime pattern reaches to about Wilcox and fades quickly after that. The FM will be great for night listening as the AM limit west is about Pine Forest. So, they gain about 7 miles of radius at night. No too bad. Processing on the FM sounds spot on.
 
the only 101.1 I'm getting is a news talk station, so it's not that. I can hear 1.450 all the way to Destin during the day. I wish we didn't have night time patterns out here.

At least there's an ESPN radio out here.

Radio is otherwise boring, same old garbage on different parts of the band. Urban, CHR and country.

-Rob
 
Does anyone believe there's the slightest chance someone with an AM and a translator in Pensacola could add some cash to the deal and pull off a trade for 95.7C3 in Navarre? I've always dreamed of 95.7 becoming either AAA "The Rock of Pensacola" (and Fort Walton) or Americana "Radio Free Pensacola" or "The Redneck Rivera Buzz"...

Another wild idea... Pensacola Junior College has that fancy new Amos Center for performing arts housing the WSRE TV studios, basically everything they would need to produce radio programming in a nice big new building including an auditorium for live bands. Wouldn't it be nice for PJC to buy a Pensacola translator (97.1 or 92.3) and light up a College Alternative/AAA/Free Form radio station using the HD3 signal of WUWF to feed it with an audio simulcast on WSRE 23.5?

We can dream of good radio even if we don't have it.

I know it wasn't intentional, but WBSR got the best dial position possible in PCola. People listening to something on WCOA FM 100.7 will accidentally find the new ESPN sports talk FM on 101.1 when they hit their scan button. Couldn't ask for a better dial position than two clicks from WCOA and two clicks from TK101.
 
Rob-42 said:
the only 101.1 I'm getting is a news talk station, so it's not that. I can hear 1.450 all the way to Destin during the day. I wish we didn't have night time patterns out here.

At least there's an ESPN radio out here.

Radio is otherwise boring, same old garbage on different parts of the band. Urban, CHR and country.

-Rob

That's WYOO from Panama City, I'm sure. We don't have anything on this side of P'cola to stop the signal, unless we get tropo that brings in KNOE from New Orleans. Which isn't often, for some reason. 97.1 and 101.9 are far more common.
 
I was in Pensacola this afternoon around the 9 Mile Rd and Pensacola Blvd. areas and while doing a bandscan, I got a very weak signal on 106.5 with the exact same paid programming that was airing on 1620. I never could get an ID on the FM, though. It was really weak by the time I was west towards Pine Forest Rd.

I suppose it could have been WAVH, airing the exact same paid programming at the exact same time, coming into Escambia county despite the flea power STA setup they have… if so, it would be one heck of a coincidence.
 
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