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THE TIME IS NOW TO GET DANCE RADIO STATION IN NYC

Tony Santiago said:
disney fanatic said:
I hope Tony Santiago is listening right now that Rosendale's WGNY-HD2 at 98.9 and Newburgh's WJGK-HD2 at 103.1 is still has a dance station known as "Fox Drive FX" where they're running Dial Global's "Drive FX". If you are listening in the Hudson Valley, this is where they bring in some attention from the loss of "Pulse 87" two years ago. I listened to a little bit of it yesterday on 95.7 translator in Poughkeepsie, but it doesn't reach Kingston where they had a weak signal, I hope they should increase the signal strength in the future.

Unfortunately I'm not that far north that I'd be able to tune in. I'm also trying to see where I can find this station online but I can't. If you have a link, please bring it :)

UPDATED: I did find it. I had to download the Tuned In Radio APP. But I do like what I am hearing :)


This was something I was looking foward to in the Jersey Shore regarding translators. I was pushing for someone down here to at least have one of their HD2 feeds be simulcast on one of the translators that they don't really need, and same went for Binghamton. We all know NYC's radio dial is too cluttered, and a translator was already tested here, but a lot of complaints coming from Thunder 106 had it shut off. Someone mentioned about let's not complain about an HD channel we already have. Yeah, well there's 2 HD stations catering to the rock/alternative crowd (K-Rock & Q104.3 HD-2) and earlier WRXP before the flip to talk and I still hear complaints about it. I do appreciate Pride Radio being there for the dance music community, however I do feel that Pride isn't as much local as how KTU 1996-2006 was. And this isn't the first time HD was brought up, remember the discussing of having the Original Hot 97.com on 97.1's HD channels?
 
Dance on HD radio would only be a short term solution for the five people who own them in NYC. In the era of PPM, this will never produced anything substantial that can prove the Dance format is viable.

There is a demand for current Dance music that stretches beyond the club goers and the core fans.It's just a preference for uptempo music derived from Electronica sounds. There is a huge difference between a Katy Perry uptempo track and something from Swedish House Mafia.Unfortunately,most radio consultants don't understand the difference.They group both artists together solely base on the bpm of their tracks. ???

A day parted station might just work best at this time with a focus on the city itself.More dance hits from the mid 90's through the 2000's during the day. Then become more edgier after 5pm. The question will be is this something the pure dance crowd can live with?

As far as advertising goes,which is the bottom line, I would not over think this if I was in sales. The same people who listen to dance are listening to other stations currently! They tend to be single and with more disposable income than their married counterparts. No need to reinvent the wheel. Just go sell it!!
 
Morpheux said:
Dance on HD radio would only be a short term solution for the five people who own them in NYC. In the era of PPM, this will never produced anything substantial that can prove the Dance format is viable.

There is a demand for current Dance music that stretches beyond the club goers and the core fans.It's just a preference for uptempo music derived from Electronica sounds. There is a huge difference between a Katy Perry uptempo track and something from Swedish House Mafia.Unfortunately,most radio consultants don't understand the difference.They group both artists together solely base on the bpm of their tracks. ???

A day parted station might just work best at this time with a focus on the city itself.More dance hits from the mid 90's through the 2000's during the day. Then become more edgier after 5pm. The question will be is this something the pure dance crowd can live with?

As far as advertising goes,which is the bottom line, I would not over think this if I was in sales. The same people who listen to dance are listening to other stations currently! They tend to be single and with more disposable income than their married counterparts. No need to reinvent the wheel. Just go sell it!!

That's mainly why I suggested HD....as a short term solution and as potential proof. Will it get people to buy HD radios? Highly not. But just the fact that it's out there and with smartphones, people COULD tune in. Of course having something on the standard dial would be the plus. As much as you can try to "sell" this to me and other dance fans Morpheux, the current sound of 'KTU does not cut it for us. It works well for the demos they serve but it isn't what a younger, club going audience would want.

But you hit it on the head (and I did say this to MarcR....and STILL waiting on a comeback on that one based on that Sacramento PD) that there are those that DON'T go to clubs and are NOT core fans that still would love to hear something by the Swedish House Mafia, Benny Benassi, Maniacalm, etc. There are people that just love uptempo music!

Regarding the day parts, the one argument I had with 'KTU in the past (back in the '96 - '06 days) was the fact that they could have played a bit more current music during the lunch time and drive times instead of keeping it on the older side. What you suggested with the late 90's and up along with current dance interspersed in there could work out. Playing something thats current rhythmic (Pitbull, Chris Brown, T-Pain, Rihanna) would work too since you do want to get an audience that may not be as core but could go with something that they can relate to.. I think the crowd can live with that versus the 234,155,165th run of "I Will Survive" with "Shake Your Booty" next.

With freestyle, there would be a drop of that music because the older sounds (and despite what one may hear as the contrary, I am NOT a hater of the genre but I gotta call it) has been oversaturated. Not saying a station like this should NEVER play freestyle, but perhaps once every 2 or 3 hours instead of 2 every hour. The station's focus should remain current with few recurrents in there.

The advertising aspect.....NAILED IT! And yes, let's go further on it. Younger crowd, not married, disposable income used for items such as music, beauty, fitness, computer gadgets, cell phones, cars, travel and are HIGH on the social markets (Facebook, Twitter) whereas you can reach out that way.

Morpheux, you know I would want this station on the standard FM, but until that can become a reality if corporate can open their eyes to really know what the music and audience is about, we need something to represent a New York sound of dance and if it has to be HD for now, so be it. Nothing against "Pride Radio" but it's not really indicative of the New York dance music audience, gay or straight.
 
The advertising aspect.....NAILED IT! And yes, let's go further on it. Younger crowd, not married, disposable income used for items such as music, beauty, fitness, computer gadgets, cell phones, cars, travel and are HIGH on the social markets (Facebook, Twitter) whereas you can reach out that way.

Younger crowd, just out of college in this economy. Living with mom and dad either in their sweaty little teenage bedroom or in the basement. Has college loans approaching that of a mortgage on a house. Oh yeah, looking for a good job but working at the local Target in the stock room to get some cash. Degree for (insert degree here) hanging on the wall not doing them much good.

I'm not trying to be negative Nancy here, but right now I'm not sure if any of the younger leaning formats (18-25, and some of 18-34) are really that great. I would much rather bank on 25-54 or even 35-54 right now, their chance of having a decent income is much better.
 
WNTIRadio said:
The advertising aspect.....NAILED IT! And yes, let's go further on it. Younger crowd, not married, disposable income used for items such as music, beauty, fitness, computer gadgets, cell phones, cars, travel and are HIGH on the social markets (Facebook, Twitter) whereas you can reach out that way.

Younger crowd, just out of college in this economy. Living with mom and dad either in their sweaty little teenage bedroom or in the basement. Has college loans approaching that of a mortgage on a house. Oh yeah, looking for a good job but working at the local Target in the stock room to get some cash. Degree for (insert degree here) hanging on the wall not doing them much good.

I'm not trying to be negative Nancy here, but right now I'm not sure if any of the younger leaning formats (18-25, and some of 18-34) are really that great. I would much rather bank on 25-54 or even 35-54 right now, their chance of having a decent income is much better.

Much better? Let's look at 25-54 and/or 35-54.

Getting laid off of work.
Not finding a job after a year of BEING laid off and the unemployment check runs out.
Interviewing for a job only to be beaten by a 18-34 year older out of college getting less pay for it.
Staying home instead of going on vacation.
Has a mortgage that can't be paid so the house will be foreclosed.
Living with a parent.
Not using their car as much because gas prices are so high.
Foregoing doctor visits to save money.
Less shopping trips.
Degree for (insert degree here) hanging on the wall not doing them much good (hey, I took that one from you! :) )

Based on this, I think we are a lot worse. :(
 
so has any think come of FM yet in NYC area ?

when look back on radio over the years 80 s 90 2000s one think i found it the revenue is income that a company receives from its ad business activities, usually this has been down in last few years , you need to have core plane to run the station for it fm side to it online , it OBs , party nights live gigs and so on , from the sale of goods and services to customers. try to keep every one happen is hard in the Media of radio .

keep me post please
Ger
Bridge Media
 
As far as putting dance on HD i don't see why it can't happen, at least it will get some exposure in the NY metro area. Even though it may have a weak signal ifs its well programmed people will tune in. What I would like to see is 97.1 HD3 being Pulse 87 and 97.1HD -4 being The original Hot 97. If that was the case I know I would go out of my way to get an HD radio put in my car.
 
HD would be a perfect place to program this format locally for NYC on someone's HD2. Better than having a PC locked in a closet somewhere or taking a satellite feed. The HD2 of WKTU isn't going to take off because there's a bunch of straight people out there that aren't interested in the "gay channel".

Hire some broadcasting kids out of college, a couple of good local vinyl spinners and a production whiz. Program it, promote it. See what happens. If it's something that people want and the numbers are there, it's a good test to see if it could work on a main signal. If not, there was only minimal investment not tens of millions of dollars lost.
 
WNTIRadio said:
HD would be a perfect place to program this format locally for NYC on someone's HD2. Better than having a PC locked in a closet somewhere or taking a satellite feed. The HD2 of WKTU isn't going to take off because there's a bunch of straight people out there that aren't interested in the "gay channel".

Hire some broadcasting kids out of college, a couple of good local vinyl spinners and a production whiz. Program it, promote it. See what happens. If it's something that people want and the numbers are there, it's a good test to see if it could work on a main signal. If not, there was only minimal investment not tens of millions of dollars lost.

NOW YOU GET IT!!! :)

And the thinking was based on what you had said earlier about the advertisers. I definitely took that into consideration here which is why I thought of the HD route. It's minimal investment, all you have to do is play the music and sweepers and MAYBE a voicetrack of someone if they want to take it further and let that serve as a "litmus" test to see if fans will bite.

Nothing against what 'KTU is doing, and it has nothing to do with gay or straight rather that the sound of Pride Radio is more national than "New York bred" I can't see dance fans being into Kelly Clarkson, lol.

So, we're going to try for it somehow :). And admittedly, I'd like to be involved in it somehow.
 
Tony Santiago said:
WNTIRadio said:
HD would be a perfect place to program this format locally for NYC on someone's HD2. Better than having a PC locked in a closet somewhere or taking a satellite feed. The HD2 of WKTU isn't going to take off because there's a bunch of straight people out there that aren't interested in the "gay channel".

Hire some broadcasting kids out of college, a couple of good local vinyl spinners and a production whiz. Program it, promote it. See what happens. If it's something that people want and the numbers are there, it's a good test to see if it could work on a main signal. If not, there was only minimal investment not tens of millions of dollars lost.

NOW YOU GET IT!!! :)

And the thinking was based on what you had said earlier about the advertisers. I definitely took that into consideration here which is why I thought of the HD route. It's minimal investment, all you have to do is play the music and sweepers and MAYBE a voicetrack of someone if they want to take it further and let that serve as a "litmus" test to see if fans will bite.

Nothing against what 'KTU is doing, and it has nothing to do with gay or straight rather that the sound of Pride Radio is more national than "New York bred" I can't see dance fans being into Kelly Clarkson, lol.

So, we're going to try for it somehow :). And admittedly, I'd like to be involved in it somehow.

I'll put my money where my mouth is...I'm up for it 8)
 
WNTIRadio said:
HD would be a perfect place to program this format locally for NYC on someone's HD2. Better than having a PC locked in a closet somewhere or taking a satellite feed. The HD2 of WKTU isn't going to take off because there's a bunch of straight people out there that aren't interested in the "gay channel".

Hire some broadcasting kids out of college, a couple of good local vinyl spinners and a production whiz. Program it, promote it. See what happens. If it's something that people want and the numbers are there, it's a good test to see if it could work on a main signal. If not, there was only minimal investment not tens of millions of dollars lost.
That's essentially what CBS did with the 'AMP Radio' format. It was on LA's 93.1-HD2 (Jack FM HD2) signal for over a year at least with real young teen approach. It was well-produced and programmed to the 12-18 year old listener. After getting a positive response from it, and having FREE FM/FM Talk go South on them, they found their opening.

They tweaked the age target to traditional CHR listeners and boom, it was done. Look how well AMP Radio is doing in LA. It was created for LA, in LA and was in the experimental pot for a good while.
 
mikesingh said:
That's essentially what CBS did with the 'AMP Radio' format. It was on LA's 93.1-HD2 (Jack FM HD2) signal for over a year at least with real young teen approach. It was well-produced and programmed to the 12-18 year old listener. After getting a positive response from it, and having FREE FM/FM Talk go South on them, they found their opening.

They tweaked the age target to traditional CHR listeners and boom, it was done. Look how well AMP Radio is doing in LA. It was created for LA, in LA and was in the experimental pot for a good while.

I never knew that! WOW! Thanks for sharing that with us! :)

And that's it. Let's get a dance station on HD somewhere with a New York style approach to it. Gear it to the younger crowd, present music that would never have seen the light of day on standard radio unless there were dance stations throughout the country.

There are a lot of artists, DJ's, producers out there that bust their butts in the studio to create the music. They do it for the love of the music because there sure isn't a lot of money going around. Yet artists will perform at clubs, DJ's will do their mixes and the crowd is very appreciative of that.

I don't think I am asking for much here and this time, I WANT TO HELP in this. I've been "in the background" too long and once again, it's not about money for me. I just love this music as well as everyone associated with it :). I'm still very humbled to have artists that are friends to me....that means a lot :)
 
Heard a station in CT playing dance music last night... 89.5 FM WPKN which is out of Bridgeport.. played some stuff that should get airplay in NYC.

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Just thought I'd add.....the Swedish House Mafia concert being held at Madison Square Garden on December 16th was SOLD OUT within 41 minutes! Average price of tickets on Stub Hub for a decent seat is about $300.....the floor....$750! And it's only going to rise as we get closer to the concert date!

If that doesn't spell out the hunger for this music, I don't know what could!

How about it BrooklynDon! ;D
 
Tony Santiago said:
Just thought I'd add.....the Swedish House Mafia concert being held at Madison Square Garden on December 16th was SOLD OUT within 41 minutes! Average price of tickets on Stub Hub for a decent seat is about $300.....the floor....$750! And it's only going to rise as we get closer to the concert date!

If that doesn't spell out the hunger for this music, I don't know what could!

How about it BrooklynDon! ;D

Swedish House Mafia....
I'm absolutely speechless. They are definitely in the running for the corniest named musical act in history prize.

That said, MSG does seat 18,000 so if you could get all those 18,000 people listeneng to a dance station at once, and 10% of the people in New York-Newark-Bridgeport all have radios on, then I suppose you a have a 1 share. Which is about what Pulse pulled, if memory serves me right.
 
You still don't get it.

For a dance music oriented venue, this is amazing. Dance acts never sell out the Garden, let alone be involved in an MSG in the first place. Things are moving WAY up and it's a shame that, for your perspective that many hip-hop, rhythmic acts are coming over to our side.

Keep doubting, when we get a dance station above 92 and the first numbers come out, you'll eat what you said :)
 
Tony Santiago said:
You still don't get it.

For a dance music oriented venue, this is amazing.  Dance acts never sell out the Garden, let alone be involved in an MSG in the first place.  Things are moving WAY up and it's a shame that, for your perspective that many hip-hop, rhythmic acts are coming over to our side. 

Keep doubting, when we get a dance station above 92 and the first numbers come out, you'll eat what you said :)

Even if, based on a single act selling out the Garden, ignoring the possibility that the sell out could just be the effect of scalpers who saw the tickets' price points and decided to get in on the action, you are right about the ratings potential being above a 1 share.  How do you sell it? Who listens to house music at 11am on a Tuesday, and, more importantly, who wants to advertise to someone who does?

As a lifestyle format I just don't see the potential.  At least with hip-hop you can throw in a little R&B and with Rock you can throw in some pop.  What do you mix with dance?  R&B? 

The catalogue of artists is too small and the daytime audience is undesirable.

And this problem has cause every other dance station ever introduced in New York City to fail or become CHR. New Yorkers love the nightlife, they love to go clubbing, and dance music has never gone out of fashion in this City. The format just doesn't work.
 
Brooklyndon said:
Tony Santiago said:
You still don't get it.

For a dance music oriented venue, this is amazing. Dance acts never sell out the Garden, let alone be involved in an MSG in the first place. Things are moving WAY up and it's a shame that, for your perspective that many hip-hop, rhythmic acts are coming over to our side.

Keep doubting, when we get a dance station above 92 and the first numbers come out, you'll eat what you said :)

Even if, based on a single act selling out the Garden, ignoring the possibility that the sell out could just be the effect of scalpers who saw the tickets' price points and decided to get in on the action, you are right about the ratings potential being above a 1 share. How do you sell it? Who listens to house music at 11am on a Tuesday, and, more importantly, who wants to advertise to someone who does?

As a lifestyle format I just don't see the potential. At least with hip-hop you can throw in a little R&B and with Rock you can throw in some pop. What do you mix with dance? R&B?

The catalogue of artists is too small and the daytime audience is undesirable.

And this problem has cause every other dance station ever introduced in New York City to fail or become CHR. New Yorkers love the nightlife, they love to go clubbing, and dance music has never gone out of fashion in this City. The format just doesn't work.

This was why I had suggested HD at first.

There's no great financial risk in placing the format there. Let's see if a turnout happens somehow.

Yes, I know an HD signal is worse than what is on 87.7 but at least let that serve as a sort of ground for experimentation. And who said house about 11AM? The format still has to be dayparted and we definitely would WANT casual fans to tune in and if something commercial is there, then that's part of the plan. So as long as the core fans know that we didn't forget about them.
 
Brooklyndon said:
Who listens to house music at 11am on a Tuesday, and, more importantly, who wants to advertise to someone who does?

As a lifestyle format I just don't see the potential.

I completely agree. Dance is one of those niche formats that works if you're out in a club or a Saturday night house party. But like you said, I can't imagine many people would be tuning in on a weekday morning, or waking up to it. I think I would have a seizure waking up to dance music ;D
 
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